Pelikan Souveran M805 Lack Of Quality Control

[Bo Bo Olson]

The difference when making a nib write wetter is very small.

 

One sticks the thumbnails under the shoulders and thinks about moving them a tad....moving them less than one would expect.........perhaps two or three times. That will make a nib write wetter. It is a common solution to unfortunately a common problem.

(buying old used pens I seldom have that problem....the problems had been worked out.)

 

But I'd just told them the nib writes too dry, and let them exchange them.

 

One does need a good glass loupe of 10X (like a Belomo triplex) which is equal to a cheap "40"X Chinese loupe.

No matter what magnifying glass one has it's not strong enough. I have a 2.7cm or 1 1/4th inch thick one. It is not strong enough.

Edited November 27, 2018 by Bo Bo Olson

[whych]

@inkking

Did you try flushing the nib in warm water to rule out there may be some grease/oil from manufacture left in the pen?

Also, did you try swapping the nib into the pen body that writes?

[nibtip]

The difference when making a nib write wetter is very small.

 

One sticks the thumbnails under the shoulders and thinks about moving them a tad....moving them less than one would expect.........perhaps two or three times. That will make a nib write wetter. It is a common solution to unfortunately a common problem.

(buying old used pens I seldom have that problem....the problems had been worked out.)

 

But I'd just told them the nib writes too dry, and let them exchange them.

 

One does need a good glass loupe of 10X (like a Belomo triplex) which is equal to a cheap "40"X Chinese loupe.

No matter what magnifying glass one has it's not strong enough. I have a 2.7cm or 1 1/4th inch thick one. It is not strong enough.

 

I 100% agree.

Except that the Belomo is much much better than chinese loupes. I dumped or gave away those.

[nibtip]

@inkking

Did you try flushing the nib in warm water to rule out there may be some grease/oil from manufacture left in the pen?

Also, did you try swapping the nib into the pen body that writes?

 

Yes of course.

[MSA]

I just purchased an 805 Stresmann Anthracite with B nib from Amazon. This was well below the market price.The pen was shipped by Amazon UK in two weeks without any books or box or pouch .....packed rather carelessly in a cardboard envelope without any protection.

 

The return would be a long process.

Anybody with a similar experience ?

[Bo Bo Olson]

MSA, Outside cheap packing, what is the problem with the pen?

 

If damaged by the cheap packing, Amazon will take it back.

Edited December 2, 2018 by Bo Bo Olson

[Glenn-SC]

 

About contacting Pelikan, it would be chimeric, since it is an amazon purchase, i have to send it back to them.

 

Why could you not send the pen to Pelikan?

Why does Pelikan care from whom you bought the pen?

[alanshutko]

The US distributer for Pelikan (Chartpak) will only honor warranties from pens sold through authorized retailers. This is so that people are discouraged from buying from other regions where the pens are cheaper.

[Glenn-SC]

This is so that people are discouraged from buying from other regions where the pens are cheaper.

 

So you pay your nickel and you take your chance!

Buy a "cheap" pen from an unauthorized Dealer and it may work or not.

That "cheap" may cost you more than a more expensive one from an authorized Dealer.

[MSA]

MSA, Outside cheap packing, what is the problem with the pen?

 

If damaged by the cheap packing, Amazon will take it back.

 

No problem except the hard cardboard packing resulted in minor surface wear to the cap during shipment. The piston, nib and clip look brand new though. I have decided to keep it. They (Amazon UK) should have disclosed the lack of box and papers in my opinion. A sub $300 final price for a M805 is too good.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Three step Nova is the best polish, but they wouldn't send across the pond, awhile back. Being in the states you can get some.

 

I'll talk about 'old style' FPN procedure back when 'noobies' bought cheap vintage pens, rather than Cheap Chinese pens.

Semi-Chrome or any light chrome polish will take care of that scuff. Finger tip polish, not finger in a rag polish. The Finial will screw off. Using finger tips only rub in the Semi-Chrome polish into the pen body...cap in your case. Wipe free with a flannel rag, buff with the flannel rag. Two or three times, should do the trick.

 

Another thread led me back to two threads Amber started back in 2014 about high and low viscosity inks...........I had read and even commentated back then............and forgotten, a dry ink often has high viscosity ....ie 4001 inks, wet inks like Sailor/Waterman, are low viscosity.

It is like one should go back occasionally and re-read some of Richard's work, so should one get back to the basics of ink.

Lubrication, ....uh....right....I knew that.....once.

 

Shading ink, shades because of high viscosity....sits on top of the paper while drying.........ok, ..... do di do to. Wet inks soak in faster so don't two tone dry.

 

I'm not quite right on supersaturated inks.... Yep, back to the Wet and Dry ink threads by Amber from 2014....and the old and respected posters of that day...(not counting me in that group....there is a difference between being able to hum a song and sing it.) Is sad how many must have passed.

 

Normally Pelikan is designed for it's own inks...................so are any pen company that makes it's own inks. (Cross is designed for Pelikan inks, in Cross ink is re-labled Pelikan 4001.)

 

I do have to make my self a an ink list....which are dry, or wet.

I don't have any Sailor inks....................got to come up with a reason to have super wet inks.

They are very well liked in the States..........got to find out Why?

Going to ask my self, DA Royal Blue replaced Waterman Blue for me.....more saturated? Not wetter?

Back to the drawing board.....so much for Plan A.......Plan D requires bringing a flashlight.

Edited December 10, 2018 by Bo Bo Olson

[Eccles]

the writing sample of the blue is what I consider normal and would accept. the black, no.

 

I agree. I originally wrote "me too" but that's a different topic!

Glenn.

[nibtip]

I bought my second and last Pelikan M805 from Amazon.uk. (fine). Plus one from amazon.it (bold)

Enough is enough. Flow is generous. tines are aligned. Beautiful pen. Ok.

BUT, but it is scatchy. How come? I looked very very carefully under the loupe. And you know what? The tines are very slightly of uneven length. You can feel it that under your fingers.

Coincidence, bad luck?

Don't get me wrong, i really like Pelikan pens. Except for the nibs.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Perhaps an oblique...does the nib say OB?

Cant the nib in the direction of the short tine.........'rotate'.....hold crooked.

 

Do hold the pen behind the big index knuckle like a fountain pen, not before like a ball point.

[nibtip]

Thank you for your remarks. It is not an oblique but a fine nib. Here are some pictures that do not translate my feeling when writing and what id transmitted to the palm of my fingers. What the pictures might inform is that the tines seem a bit twisted clockwise.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Send it back, it is slit wrong....the grind don't look all that good either....really bad QC.

At least demand a new nib.

 

Oblique can had in fine also. OF.....

Don't suggest chasing obliques with a 800.....the older nibs pre'98 are regular flex. The younger nibs 'post '97 are nails. Neither are worth a row of beans, compared to vintage oblique.

Edited January 9, 2019 by Bo Bo Olson

[nibtip]

Thank you.

Where does one find pre98 nibs?

Best.

[Bo Bo Olson]

What you really want is the W.Germany 800 nib.....

 

I have a W.Germany 200....'87-88-90 nib, that is a slight tad more springy than my '90's Germany regular flex nibs, be that the gold or steel.

I trans-mailed a W.Germany 800 to a fine poster in Spain, in there are some German idiots that won't mail outside of Germany. So for some four days I got to play with it.

 

Back then I found an 800 to be too big for me...............just reciently I got a 1005 that is not as big as I expected. I'd gotten more Large pens since trying that 800.

The extra nice springy nib, made a W. Germany 800 something I would buy, for the nib....even if the pen itself didn't churn my butter.

 

Penboard de..............would be the place for to try for either a rare W.Germany or more common 800 regular flex from '90-97. Not cheap, but sells only first class pens and nibs.

If I knew how to tell if a '90--97 was such, I'd have that on my look for list. I don't know how to tell the difference between pre and post '97. Penboard would know.

 

I have a old chart that shows Pelikan having a semi-vintage 400 width, and a narrower 800 width...two standards.

The chart is so old, Japanese pens were not listed. Conway Sterart was real fat, then Parker was wider than Sheaffer, that was wider than either Pelikan. Waterman was thinnest...............outside Pelikan EF which was then the narrowest.

How times have changed....after '97 when Pelikan went fat and blobby and the 800 became a nail.