Sailor To Discontinue/replace Current Naginata Line?

[The-Thinker]

I saw these pens in person a couple of weeks ago when we visited with President Hisa. I'm not allowed to say anything just yet, as there has yet to be confirmed pricing in the US. Suffice it to say I will be carrying these so stay tuned for more details.

Any hopes of seeing a king eagle anytime in the future ? Or sailor completely removed that type of nib from their glossary ?

[The-Thinker]

Last year I visited the Sailor factory at Kure. And Mr Nagahara was there working and making special nibs.

Also he introduced us three more people that he was supervising. I think that we won't have again a failure in the production.

The prices... market will talk.

Were they making any exotic nibs for the kop model ?

[A Smug Dill]

Any hopes of seeing a king eagle anytime in the future ?

I'd say hope is a personal matter, much like belief, and not dictated or extinguished by either history or mathematical probability.

 

Or sailor completely removed that type of nib from their glossary ?

See https://sailor.co.jp/category_product/series/?taxonomy-detail=original-pen-point on Sailor Japan's web site, which has only recently been overhauled.

 

The best way to acquire a King Eagle nib as you know it — either from personal experience or just hearsay — is to buy one that has already been made, and probably owned by someone else at present. Everything has its price, and given it wasn't a one-of-a-kind product, I'm confident someone would be ready to sell if the price on offer in a seller's market is right.

 

Asking the same question about availability of a product, repeated and persistently does not in fact create more commercial (or perceived) demand for it to influence the supply side for newly produced units in the market. My suggestion to you would be that, if you don't just want to buy one unit of it for yourself now and tick the item off your ‘bucket list' or some such, but actually want to make Sailor respond in a commercially sane manner to the tide of unfulfilled market demand such that you can buy a new one at a 'reasonable' price when you're ready, you'll need to convince many others who cares less about the asking price to want one for themselves.

 

I actually question/wonder how much demand Sailor is seeing for the eight Naginata/specialty nibs (out of, umpteen in the previous line-up from a few years back) the level of demand it was hoping for, since it has resumed production of those and doubled the asking prices.

[The-Thinker]

I'd say hope is a personal matter, much like belief, and not dictated or extinguished by either history or mathematical probability.

 

See https://sailor.co.jp/category_product/series/?taxonomy-detail=original-pen-point on Sailor Japan's web site, which has only recently been overhauled.

 

The best way to acquire a King Eagle nib as you know it — either from personal experience or just hearsay — is to buy one that has already been made, and probably owned by someone else at present. Everything has its price, and given it wasn't a one-of-a-kind product, I'm confident someone would be ready to sell if the price on offer in a seller's market is right.

 

Asking the same question about availability of a product, repeated and persistently does not in fact create more commercial (or perceived) demand for it to influence the supply side for newly produced units in the market. My suggestion to you would be that, if you don't just want to buy one unit of it for yourself now and tick the item off your ‘bucket list' or some such, but actually want to make Sailor respond in a commercially sane manner to the tide of unfulfilled market demand such that you can buy a new one at a 'reasonable' price when you're ready, you'll need to convince many others who cares less about the asking price to want one for themselves.

 

I actually question/wonder how much demand Sailor is seeing for the eight Naginata/specialty nibs (out of, umpteen in the previous line-up from a few years back) the level of demand it was hoping for, since it has resumed production of those and doubled the asking prices.

It is true that there was an increase in price and stuff, and i feel it’s all due to the increase of demand (Since that was the reason they stopped producing it in the first place). Regarding the fact of buying it second hand, there is always the fear of not getting the optimal results due to the previous owners, in addition the fear of transportation and finding a reliable seller in the first place. After all this, the prices asked on most buy and sell platforms are near insane (have seen some go for 40,000$) which is not a reasonable price for mostly the nib and a standard body... Even the cross points were being sold for 5,000$ before sailor started making them again.

 

My hope is to have a group of people interested in the product and reach to sailor, so that they know that the nib is well received by the community and in case they decide to reintroduce it, it will be purchased and demanded.

 

I feel the nibs that sailor makes is way better than those done by individual craftsman, due to the sheer of appliances and material available to the company rather than the effort of a single individual.

 

I am not sure if there is a way to make a community that would demand the nib, or even other exotic nibs on the KOP model that could be the voice to reach sailor ...

[A Smug Dill]

After all this, the prices asked on most buy and sell platforms are near insane (have seen some go for 40,000$) which is not a reasonable price for mostly the nib and a standard body... Even the cross points were being sold for 5,000$ before sailor started making them again.

 

 

Then just call it bad timing and leave it at that. When I came back into the hobby mid-2018, I remember seeing a set of all the nineteen(?) Sailor specialty nibs — fitted into separate gripping sections, if I recall correctly, so as to be able to be screwed onto the one Sailor Profit Large body supplied with that set — for just under US$9,000 on Rakuten Global Market. (Of course I'd never buy that myself, not even as an investment, on the assumption or pretence that someone would hand over thee- or four-fold that amount.) After it disappeared, I saw something along the same lines, quite possibly that actual same set, on eBay for about US$38,000 or thereabouts.

 

As much as I like Sailor and feel the very idea of the Naginata line of specialty nibs are awesome, I'm equally happy for it to pass into the realm of collectibles and legends that are no longer produced, and let the few who only now find themselves interested to squawk, bid and fight over the limited number that remains in the after-market if they're really keen, much like some hobbyists adore vintage celluloid and flex nibs from a bygone era. It's not that I have a problem with their liking and wanting those things, but I think everyone must agree that it's OK for the market not to satisfy latent demand and/or make those things accessible to all suitors always.

[The-Thinker]

 

As much as I like Sailor and feel the very idea of the Naginata line of specialty nibs are awesome, I'm equally happy for it to pass into the realm of collectibles and legends that are no longer produced, and let the few who only now find themselves interested to squawk, bid and fight over the limited number that remains in the after-market if they're really keen, much like some hobbyists adore vintage celluloid and flex nibs from a bygone era. It's not that I have a problem with their liking and wanting those things, but I think everyone must agree that it's OK for the market not to satisfy latent demand and/or make those things accessible to all suitors always.

That is true, it’s what keeps the special editions special, but since the king eagle and such were not limited edition i would wonder why not invest in making them to show the prestigious ability of the company (the reason why they were introduced in the first place). I feel them producing it and expanding the lineup will show how unique of a company they are since there is non in the market doing such nibs and they would stand out even more.