Ballpoint 164 And 164R Differences

[tentate]

Hi!, I was searching the forum and couldn't find an answer.

Could anybody tell the difference between Montblanc 164 and 164R?

Kind regards

[chunya]

I could be wrong, and never really gave this much thought, but I always assumed that the R probably simply stood for Red, although the official colour was Bordeaux could very easily be wrong though.

Edited July 18, 2018 by chunya

[kuli1961]

color, I think- "R"-"rot" (in German), "red/burgundy"

[meiers]

Yes. It is just a colour difference.

[chunya]

Bordeaux ..... Burgundy ... With my palate I probably couldn't tell the difference

[pajaro]

Bordeaux, MB distinguishing their writing instruments from the burgundy pens used by the hoi poloi.

[tentate]

Hi!, thanks everybody.

I am confused because I read somewhere that in the case of the MB fountain 144 and 144R, the difference are the brass threads (may be this is wrong, I don´t know).

Because of that I assumed that in the ballpoints the "R" has something to do with the hardware

Regards

[pajaro]

Hi!, thanks everybody.

I am confused because I read somewhere that in the case of the MB fountain 144 and 144R, the difference are the brass threads (may be this is wrong, I don´t know).

Because of that I assumed that in the ballpoints the "R" has something to do with the hardware

Regards

 

The brass threads on later 144s replaced black plastic threads on the fountain pen section. The black plastic or resin threads would sometimes break, and I suppose MB made an improvement. The resin threads were on black and on red 144s both and they were replaced by brass threads. They improved the entire section on both colors, making the gold ring around the nib a threaded connection instead of just adhered to the section. The ring coming off was a common issue. The ring works as a clutch to hold the cap on, so there was stress on the adhered only ring. The threaded attachment seems to resolve that stress issue from capping and uncapping.

[tentate]

 

The brass threads on later 144s replaced black plastic threads on the fountain pen section. The black plastic or resin threads would sometimes break, and I suppose MB made an improvement. The resin threads were on black and on red 144s both and they were replaced by brass threads. They improved the entire section on both colors, making the gold ring around the nib a threaded connection instead of just adhered to the section. The ring coming off was a common issue. The ring works as a clutch to hold the cap on, so there was stress on the adhered only ring. The threaded attachment seems to resolve that stress issue from capping and uncapping.

 

 

Thank you for your explanation

Then this "R" in 144 Montblancs fountain pens has definitely nothing to do with the "R" on 164 ballpoints, in this last ones used only to define Red color, is it so?

[Chrissy]

R after the code always means red. Nothing else.

[chunya]

 

 

Thank you for your explanation

Then this "R" in 144 Montblancs fountain pens has definitely nothing to do with the "R" on 164 ballpoints, in this last ones used only to define Red color, is it so?

As Chrissy says, the 'R' reflects the colour of the pen whether it's a fountain pen or ballpoint. Pajaro was explaining that the changes made applied to all pens whether black or bordeaux.