Siemens - Made By Montblanc?

[jungkind]

Got this SIEMENS branded safety filler and I am curious who made it. Saw an earlier post with a faceted Montblanc, but this one is round, has a steel nib, although this may not be original. The captop is Montblanc like and is stamped 66.

Any Idea?

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[niksch]

This is an interesting pen. It certainly looks like a MB safety filler, but MB models of the 20s to mid-30s (that resemble this pen) had only single digit model numbers. This bears some additional research, but maybe Tom Westerich, Max Schrage or Axel can chime in.

[meiers]

I love the look of that pen.

 

The words edel stahl inscribed on the nib are German for high grade steel or stainless steel.

 

Did Montblanc use steel in any of their safety fillers?

Edited May 1, 2018 by meiers

[niksch]

I love the look of that pen.

 

The words edel stahl inscribed on the nib are German for high grade steel or stainless steel.

 

Did Montblanc use steel in any of their safety fillers?

 

In the '20s and first half of the '30s I think no, they used gold nibs, and that's what my resource material shows. My poor German language skill remembers Edelstahl as stainless steel

[Chrissy]

OP Just a quick observation, but if you use the middle line of code (the BB line) from your FPN Uploaded images, they appear in your listing as pictures rather than as links to go and find.

[Michael R.]

Very interesting pen! I was tempted myself to get it when it was available.

To me it looks like a Montblanc pen (except of the nib and feed which are not Montblanc) with Siemens imprints.

 

I've bought an old safety a few years ago which I strongly believe that it was made by Montblanc for Siemens:

 

Montblanc Siemens Safety

 

All parts are 100 % interchangeable with similar Montblanc pens and look identical. However no Montblanc imprints are visible but the old Siemens logo under the red glass dome on top of the cap.

Your pen looks like it has the same background. Made for Siemens maybe for their employees as special gifts or rewards?

The cap looks exactly like the cap of a Montblanc #6 I have which also shows a cooperate-logo on the cap; but it is not a safety pen.

Do you have a picture of the back of the filling knob?

Have you tried if any parts are easily interchangeable with other Montblanc pens?

 

I'm curious if we can find out more about those pens!

I have shown my pen to a few experts in the past and most agreed that it most likely was made by Montblanc.

 

Cheers

 

Michael

[kawuska]

Highly unlikely that's a MB safety, Jungkind.In the land of "black safety pen", Germany, there were dozens of major and small brands making such pens.When you look at the feed it is not MB, can't see from photos but MB usually had 4 start threads on barrel.Also a small hole in the turning knob for metal pin that should protrude from the captop.If you can unscrew the mechanism check for the shape of helix: there were single ribbon and double ribbon, MB used the first type.

[CS388]

 

 

I've bought an old safety a few years ago which I strongly believe that it was made by Montblanc for Siemens:

 

Montblanc Siemens Safety

 

 

 

 

Sensational pen!

 

Did you ever find a no 6 nib?

 

Thanks for sharing.

[meiers]

The safety pens are cool. I like their look.

 

Nice informative blog. Thanks!

Michael, do you use yours regularly?

Edited May 2, 2018 by meiers

[jungkind]

Highly unlikely that's a MB safety, Jungkind.In the land of "black safety pen", Germany, there were dozens of major and small brands making such pens.When you look at the feed it is not MB, can't see from photos but MB usually had 4 start threads on barrel.Also a small hole in the turning knob for metal pin that should protrude from the captop.If you can unscrew the mechanism check for the shape of helix: there were single ribbon and double ribbon, MB used the first type.

Some comments:

 

Two start threads on the barrel

I cannot see any pin in the turning knob

The nib has imprinted: Edelstahl and PRIMA and a symbol in a circle, the symbol looks like a right hand with the thumb spread out

The nib could be a replacement, it is broad with some flex. The imprint on the knob is EF, if this was the original nib size, it has been changed

The imprint says 66, but I am not sure if it was stamped with a 66 mould or two times 6

The captop does not have any marking

The cap has 4 holes close to the top

The clipring is firmly seated but slightly off center

 

I am normally not a Montblanc Collector , therefore I do not have a comparison, I bought it because I used to work all my life Siemens.

[jungkind]

Hope you see the photos now within the post, sorry

 

 

[Michael R.]

@meiers:

so far I have not been able to source a matching nib but I did not spend much efforts to it yet ... but I'm at it and eventually will complete it one day :-)

Unfortunately I don't use my safety pens often but once in a while I write a personal letter with them. The nib feel is so much different! For regular use at work I don't feel comfortable handling a safety ;-)

Cheers

 

Michael

[meiers]

Thanks, Michael.

[penparadise]

It doesn't look like a Montblanc to me. Similar yes but not identical.

I have seen a feed like this on other German pens, at push button and piston fillers. But I can't remember the brand.

What I like to see is the spindle which is inside of the barrel and how the feed is fixed to the spindle.