Pelikan Se Daedalus Icarus Pen

[daenghafez]

I present to you the Icarus. * quoted from the villain of 007 Bond Movie - Die Another Day. Oh, in this case, a mint Pelikan SE of M800 size pen with a limited serial number edition. The light blue transparent pen came with silver furniture with Pelikan old style cap & knob attributes - silver disc inserted therein. A silver Icarus decal depicting him flying is glued to the pen barrel. The pen box came with a large book on the legend of Icarus whilst at the same it is also a pen storage hidden in the middle of the book. The book cum case came with a neat blue folder for its safe keeping. This blue pen is almost identical to the M205 blue in colour and the slight difference is that the latter spotted with a much lighter colour than the former.

 

Hope you enjoy the photos.. Regards, Daeng.

 

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[da vinci]

Thank you for sharing the detail of this remarkable pen. I haven't seen one of these before and your photos are superb

[daenghafez]

Thank you for sharing the detail of this remarkable pen. I haven't seen one of these before and your photos are superb

Most welcome da vinci.

 

To answer other question posted in another thread, the Icarus figurine is made from sterling silver. This pen was commssioned in 800 pieces in 2001 and came with a lifetime warranty.

[sargetalon]

Congrats on a neat acquisition. The transparent blue with silver colored trim looks sharp.

[daenghafez]

Thanks Joshua. If I have the time one day, i will put a photo shoot of all blue demonstrators range pens just to show comparison on their transparency & blue colour level.

[cellardoor04]

This was one of my grails when I first started getting into Pelikans! Congrats on the acquisition!

[daenghafez]

Thanks. I think I got lucky for acquiring it with 60% off. I dont think I will buy the pen at the current skyrocketting price.

[Cynthiamv123]

I received an Omas Amerigo Vespucci and a Pelikan Gunther Wagner set as an inheritance.

 

I have the inner and outex boxes (rectangular boxes), pen holder & parchment, wrap, and booklet of the Omas. It is in very good condition, just with some brassing on the Clip. I used it a little bit before removing the ink and the nib is a super smooth M.

 

The second set is a Pelikan Gunther Wagner (Blue Demonstrator or "Baby" Blue Ocean) size B. This set (fountain + ball point) had very little use. It comes with an ink bottle, blue and white boxes and booklet.

 

I washed off the ink and am here debating if I should sell the pens or not. I was told that if the pens are not used, the inside can dry up.

 

I need a knowledgeable opinion. I don't want to run the risk of keeping the pens and loosing them due to improper care instead of selling it to a collector who will be as happy with them as my friend was!!

 

Thank you!

 

Cynthia

[Bo Bo Olson]

Those are two very fine life time use, pens. Who ever you inherited from had great taste.

 

If you don't need to sell them, you will do your liver a favor....in we now live in The Golden Age of Ink :notworthy1: ....never in the history of man, has there ever been so many shades and hues of colors available.....and you need good paper also.

 

I doubt of anyone here came into fountain pens saying 'gee, I'm going to play with my new crayons.'

Most of us to....sit around at home scribbling for the fun of it.

Even if we have horrible hand writing , nor have much to say to the world of journals.

We persist in scribbling.

 

I do pity the six posters here that only use their pens at work....but there is hope for them.....someone could sneak mail them some better paper....and he'd be forced to scribble at home on it.

 

First you need to hold the pen behind the big index finger and let it rest where it wishes....don't force it to be at say 45-40 degrees if it don't want too....in you have to use force to keep it there and force is bad.

Hold it as softly as a featherless baby bird.....in fountain pens write on a small puddle of ink, and need no pressure at all when held at an angle. It is not like a ball point where you are plowing the south forty with out the mule.

Holding it like a ball point makes little grand canyons in the paper and you need force to do that...that huge amount of force a ball point requires you to use.

 

Just think a very good bottle of single malt whiskey is gone in three years or less. Either of those pens even after a life time of use will still make a grand inheritance for your grand or great-grand kids.

Keep them, keep memories of the original owner fresh.

[Cynthiamv123]

Bo, he left for me also the ink bottles!!! I have all sorts of brands and colors, from orange Mont Blanc to purple Private Reserve (?!...the ink bottles are at home and I am here in Frankfurt now...).

 

It's been more than a year that I look at the pen sets and I am uncomfortable selling them exactly because of the memories of the original owner. If I sell his things, in a few years I will have nothing left that will remind me of my best friend of 33 years!!

 

I may need to bother you again to learn how to use the pens correctly...

[Bo Bo Olson]

No problem at all.

We all want you and anybody to enjoy the hobby.

I can't tell if that Pelikan is a 600 or an 800. It makes a difference in the 600 posts well with balance and the 800 is too big to post.

 

There is the classic Tripod hold.....which I don't care for in it takes a long time to lighten up the grip....for most folks. Because of the 10-2-6 puts pressure on the grip leading to the Death Grip and often one has the deadly Kung Fu Thumb Pinch.

It is the thing to start with though.

There is enough pictures still around after Ransombucket cut them off of the Classic Tripod.

 

I'll have to really try to get another photo poster. I favor the 'Forefinger Up' way of grasping a fountain pen. That works very well with posted standard or medium-large pens. Is a bit long for un-posted Large or Overlarge pens.

It is an automatic light grip.

 

The thumb is a flat dam, that is pressure-less, it just sits there at 08:30-09:00 on the pen body.

And the thumb is flat against the pen body....not the pressure loaded bent Kung Fu Thumb Pinch.....

Thumb dam is flat, long and low.

 

In many of us have pressure sore points from ball points at the joint of the middle finger nail, move the pen down 1/3 of an inch in that finger tip.

The 'forefinger up'.................lay the flat almost no bowed forefinger on the section of the pen...with no bending of the finger....defiantly no knee bend..........at 12:00-12:30-13:00.

 

The thumbnail controls if you hold the pen high at 45 degrees or lower at 40 degrees....depending on how long or heavy a pen is....what is comfortable.

If you have the thumb nail 'even' with the crease of the first finger joint, the pen will rest lower. If you move in 1/3 of the first finger joint, the pen will rest higher.

Now to go back and see how to add pictures to this.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Unfortunately this com don't let me post easy to see pictures with Imgur???????? So I'll have to find another.......

Sorry about the hunt and peck.

 

605 Pelikan

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400 Pelikan

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This is with a bit too much forefinger bend.

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This too but is good to show where and how to place the finger tip. and where the thumb nail is to the fore finger first joint crease to hold the pen higher.

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The idea is to be comfortable 12-12:30 or 13:00 what ever is comfortable....

But by putting a 'knee' in the forefinger you put pressure on the pen, by moving the thumb up to 10:00 again you put pressure in squeezing the pen. Don't pinch the thumb....a flat dam, low. Is half the trick.

Edited September 25, 2017 by Bo Bo Olson

[Kalessin]

Cynthiamv123: The Pelikan blue demonstrator set is uncommon to find (the model numbers are M600 fountain pen, K600 ballpoint). It's often referred to as the "Sony" set, because Sony gave sets of these pens to their employees.

 

I bought a non-Sony set of dark blue transparent 600 fountain pen and ballpoint in the mid-2000s, and it has a later logo on the top of the cap (one pelican chick instead of two). They didn't come in the nice two-pen box with the ink that you have.

 

If you'd like to start using the fountain pens, Youtube may be the easiest way to learn. Use search terms for videos like "how to fill a piston fountain pen" (your Pelikan is a piston-filler), "how to write with a fountain pen", "the 7 biggest fountain pen mistakes", etc.

 

Remember to write using light pressure. You may also want to start with a much less expensive pen, like a Lamy or Twsbi, before using these expensive pens. The ink in your Pelikan box is a regular bottle with an older label, and should be fine to use -- Pelikan makes very good ink!

[Cynthiamv123]

Kalessin, thank you very much for your reply.

 

My friend who left me the pens was so uncomplicated that he left the pens (a Lamy too), a lot of very good ink, and the 2016 prices for the pens, in the case I wanted to sell them...What really concerns me is that I don't think that I have the finesse to use those expensive pens. I observed him for years and I know it is not for just anybody. It obviously involves dedication.

 

He left also 2 ballpoint pens that I will keep for sure: a small dark green transparent Pelikan and a Montblanc Starwalker. I carry them in special pouches to avoid scratching. But I also have his watches, paintings, and nice furniture that I will restore and use, etc., so it is not that I would be selling the only things that he left me.

 

I know this is a difficult question to answer but I will ask: If you were in my shoes, what would you do? These are probably items who will increase in value over time. I checked eBay and there are two Omas for sale (in the squared box without the holder or the parchment, not the rectangular like mine). One for 339 euro and the other for 980 euro (the same exact pen). My Omas has brassing on the clip. There is a Pelikan set like mine for sale for 799 dollars. So it is all somewhat confusing for me.

 

I would appreciate your opinion!

 

Thanks!

[Bo Bo Olson]

Anybody can learn to use a fountain pen.....even me.

 

As long as you hold it lightly behind the big index finger knuckle.

Ball point users can't imagine scribbling for fun..............ball points take all the fun out of writing.

You don't have to say much...or anything really.

A journal is thought of the day.....

What mood do you have.....green, purple, blue or brown.....go for it.

 

It does take time and practice to develop a good handwriting after ball points. Ball points had destroyed my writing....I had to print to read my own writing. Now I can read my writing......my wife can't.

 

Calligraphy requires a little book to draw letters. One has to memorize how to draw letters, but gee they sure are pretty.

One can find a tad of artistic that ball points buried six foot under.

 

But if you want to sell, and remain just a ball point non-person....OK. You can make a single lot of all his inks....and the good news is ball points do write on good paper too.

 

If like most of us, debt is a word we know....fine.

 

If not.The pens would have kept a worth....what ever you buy from the sales of them, won't.

If you buy jewelry, you can sell it back for a loss of 2/3rds. It is not an investment unless bought at gold price only.

We buy only in live auctions for the gold price the stones are 'free'. Of course most stones are not Top Wesselton, or the comparison in ruby and emerald. Run of the mill stones have no real value when buying at a live auction.

So pawn shops are a good place to get properly priced jewelry. Look up the price of gold per gram/oz for 18 and 14 K, to know what you should pay.

Gold coins are best.

 

Edited September 30, 2017 by Bo Bo Olson