I Need Some Help On The Way To Hold The Pen...

[dcqt1244]

 

Hi guys.

 

I'm currently having a (kind of) trouble with holding fountain pens(using Pelikan M200).

 

Nobody told me that my current way is wrong, and actually it could be fine.

 

But once I decided to improve my handwriting, I want to fix my grip to the correct way too.

 

 

 

I'm not looking for the information about common triangle grip method.

 

I'm looking for the way to hold the pen like super old style something like on the picture that I uploaded.

 

I couldn't find some nice video clips about that grip.

 

 

 

Does anybody know about any links, posts, or video clips about this method?

 

if it is especially for teaching this method, It will be awesome.

 

 

 

Thanks.

[ac12]

For the old dip pen instructions, go to the Iampeth site and look for the old instruction books.

It is quite difficult to get used to the old grips.

But the old method of holding a dip pen is NOT todays "tripod" grip.

[dcqt1244]

For the old dip pen instructions, go to the Iampeth site and look for the old instruction books.

It is quite difficult to get used to the old grips.

But the old method of holding a dip pen is NOT todays "tripod" grip.

 

Thanks for the answer . I will explore that website tonight.

 

Yes I understood it might be different and difficult to get used to it.

 

But I will practice it anyway .

 

few short more questions.

 

1. can this grip be useful for using fountain pen?

 

2. can this grip be useful for using oblique dip pen holder?

[ehemem]

The pic you uploaded is a triangle grip with the forearm rotated inward so that the forefinger is on top of the pen. This is the grip position for flex nib alphabets, not for chisel tip pen alphabets...

[dcqt1244]

The pic you uploaded is a triangle grip with the forearm rotated inward so that the forefinger is on top of the pen. This is the grip position for flex nib alphabets, not for chisel tip pen alphabets...

 

Oh........ ( ._.) ......

[Bo Bo Olson]

Forefinger up....is what I use....similar to the old style way to grasp a pen.

A bit down in the threads is a similar post.

I was just chatting with a pal, about that and wrote it this way this time.

 

but you can look up 'forefinger up', others use it and there are pictures. When my computer died so did half my pictures.

 

I don't use the 'tripod' in it leans towards the Death Grip and the Killer Kung Fu thumb pinch.

Look up 'forefinger up' method. In three minutes you can have an automatic light grip.

 

Well, first the thumb is brought way up the barrel from the section....and taken away from that 10:00 heavy pressure position to flat on the barrel at no more than 09:00.

The thumb is now only a Dam....there is no pressure applied to the pen. The pen rests against it.

 

Make the forefinger long.... ie...the less bend in it the better. It is not bent like a knee in the middle of the air....like with the tripod....pressing like mad. You can't quite get it dead flat...but as little curve...bow as possible.

The forefinger rests...only rests on the top of the section...with just enough pressure to keep the fountain pen from somersaulting out of your hand.

Let it rest between 12:00/12:30/13:00 what ever is comfortable on the section. Not in the pinch for dear life 02:00 position of the Classic Tripod.

 

Now the thumb tip should be located, if you want the pen to rest low at 40 degrees....at the start of the web of the thumb...or due to posting the pen.The thumbnail end should be at the first knuckle junction crease of the index finger.

 

If you want the pen to rest a bit higher, then 1/3 of the front index joint in from the joint crease. You are still very far from the section. You are still having the pen rest at @09:00/09:30 max on the Thumb Dam.

At no time does the thumb come any where near to touching the forefinger that is only 'resting' on top of the pen.

Takes three minutes to learn, automatic light grip, and in your case the thumb no longer pushes/pinches upwards from 10:00 to meet the forefinger, causing the pen to rotate.

 

 

If you move the barrel of the pen 1/3" down the end joint of the middle finger out of the callus or pain dent at the junction of the thumb nail, writing won't hurt so much....even if one was to keep the Death Grip...."Classic Tripod".

I was ever so glad to do that, in decades of pressing ball points and later pressing a fountain pen like it was a ball point, caused pain there.....I won't say nerve damage but two years later, there was no more pain there. Not that I've gone back to sticking the pen at the nail junction.

[dcqt1244]

Forefinger up....is what I use....similar to the old style way to grasp a pen.

A bit down in the threads is a similar post.

I was just chatting with a pal, about that and wrote it this way this time.

 

but you can look up 'forefinger up', others use it and there are pictures. When my computer died so did half my pictures.

 

I don't use the 'tripod' in it leans towards the Death Grip and the Killer Kung Fu thumb pinch.

Look up 'forefinger up' method. In three minutes you can have an automatic light grip.

 

Well, first the thumb is brought way up the barrel from the section....and taken away from that 10:00 heavy pressure position to flat on the barrel at no more than 09:00.

The thumb is now only a Dam....there is no pressure applied to the pen. The pen rests against it.

 

Make the forefinger long.... ie...the less bend in it the better. It is not bent like a knee in the middle of the air....like with the tripod....pressing like mad. You can't quite get it dead flat...but as little curve...bow as possible.

The forefinger rests...only rests on the top of the section...with just enough pressure to keep the fountain pen from somersaulting out of your hand.

Let it rest between 12:00/12:30/13:00 what ever is comfortable on the section. Not in the pinch for dear life 02:00 position of the Classic Tripod.

 

Now the thumb tip should be located, if you want the pen to rest low at 40 degrees....at the start of the web of the thumb...or due to posting the pen.The thumbnail end should be at the first knuckle junction crease of the index finger.

 

If you want the pen to rest a bit higher, then 1/3 of the front index joint in from the joint crease. You are still very far from the section. You are still having the pen rest at @09:00/09:30 max on the Thumb Dam.

At no time does the thumb come any where near to touching the forefinger that is only 'resting' on top of the pen.

Takes three minutes to learn, automatic light grip, and in your case the thumb no longer pushes/pinches upwards from 10:00 to meet the forefinger, causing the pen to rotate.

 

 

If you move the barrel of the pen 1/3" down the end joint of the middle finger out of the callus or pain dent at the junction of the thumb nail, writing won't hurt so much....even if one was to keep the Death Grip...."Classic Tripod".

I was ever so glad to do that, in decades of pressing ball points and later pressing a fountain pen like it was a ball point, caused pain there.....I won't say nerve damage but two years later, there was no more pain there. Not that I've gone back to sticking the pen at the nail junction.

 

Ok. Gimme few more days. I will just memorize this quote, and I will come back later.

 

 

anyway

 

I'M REALLY APPRECIATE THAT.

 

GOD... Thanks.

[ac12]

You can use the instructions in Iampeth for a fountain pen also. And even more so if you want to use a flex nib fountain pen, because that is the only way you will get the nib in alignment with the downstroke, for a slanted hand.

 

The oblique dip pen holder uses a grip similar to the "tripod grip." The oblique holder puts the nib at the proper alignment for an aligned downstroke, instead of having to hold a straight holder as the Iampeth instructions show. IOW an easier to hold grip.

[brunico]

Nobody told me that my current way is wrong, and actually it could be fine.

 

It could well be. if it doesn't put a strain on any part of your hand and doesn't fatigue you, then it's probably fine. As long as your grip is comfortable, don't sweat it. My own grip is a modified tripod, and it's served me well for years since the tripod became uncomfortable at some point when I was growing up.

 

The grip for fountain pens should be the same as for a biro or a pencil or anything else. The fact that many people don't hold biros ergonomically doesn't make this any less true. An angle loosely in the region of 45 degrees' elevation from the paper should serve well for any kind of pen. The most important thing - and your picture more or less brings this out - is to hold your forearm at about 45 degrees. This is the most relaxed position, and it puts what you're writing directly in front of your eyes. The hand rather than the fingers should do a lot of the work, so that the fingers don't tense up: in practice, I find I use my fingers for the smaller movements. (This setup should serve for any purpose, unless you need to adapt it because you're writing uncial or copperplate or something.)

 

At least, this is how I learned to write when I was little. When I see people holding a biro straight up like a flagpole, pressing down hard on it, and only using their fingers to shape the letters - like a child holding a wax crayon - it's no wonder they can't write more than a few sentences without getting tired and have no hope of writing quickly and neatly. But I maintain they're holding their biros wrong, not that there's anything about a biro that means a fountain pen requires a wholly different technique.

[NinthSphere]

I believe that mustache is also a required accessory to mastering that particular grip. Stabilises the head or somesuch.