Fountain Pen Use For Legal Documents

[Mech-for-i]

I had no idea how it is in the states. But in most countries the condition stipulated is that one must sign or made a legal document with ink that cannot be erased from the paper medium ( unless one actually physically damage / destroy the medium on hand ). I guess in the states the legal guys had enough trouble with so many people using normal ink that they basically stick with a known pen that would work for them ( that said provided ballpoint ) curiously AFAIK, most ballpoint are not inked with waterproof / archival ink. Well most of their ink are oil based alright but even that the writing can be removed with some effort.

 

I suppose if NATO, EU and all the big guns signing all those ( suppose to be important ) inte'l agreements using fountain pen, there is some argument there.

[carlos.q]

Many moons ago it was necessary to sign legal documents with black ink as blue ink would not photocopy adequately. If you signed a document with blue ink the copies would look like the original had been left unsigned. That was way back when thermal paper was used for copies, and a wee bit after that.

[Sandy1]

And where did you get the portrait of my miss kitty? She is currently outside eyeballing a noisy myna, who is returning the favour, noisily...

 

 

Hi,

 

I was concerned that the barn moggie would be taken by the resident owl. But as tabby chases mice out of the barn that the owl feasts upon, it seems to be an ongoing symbiotic relationship. I await a breeding pair of owls.

 

Bye,

S1

Edited March 5, 2017 by Sandy1

[inkstainedruth]

I've been reading some of this thread out loud (the really humorous parts, like what Sandy1 said about Eve and the serpent and the chicken pot pie ) to my husband, and he said that especially in the engineering/tech world, it is much harder to get rid of a process (such as signing with a BP) than it is to initiate said process.

As for me, I mostly sign stuff with whatever pen I have on me. I was writing a check a few days ago to pay the body shop after my car was repaired, and I used the Dark Lilac Safari with Noodler's Ellis Island Blue Black. And the guy thought it was an "old" pen....

As for signing carbon copies, I ran into that the last time we bought a vehicle. I was all ready to go with A Noodler's Konrad filled with KTC -- until I ran into carbonless forms for some of the financial stuff. Next time I'll be ready and have one of the Esterbrooks with one of the manifold nib units (either 9460 or 9461)!

My husband *also* said that after hanging out at Richard Binder's table the time a couple of summers ago when he was dragged along came with me to DCSS, he learned a lot about not pressing down so hard, even with a ballpoint. He said that carbon copies were probably why so many people press down do hard, and he's now paying more attention to that.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[welch]

I have been required to sign legal documents with black or blue ballpoints. One or the other depending on the whim of the lawyers involved.

 

Around 2003, my company, which belongs to the banking industry, decided to scan and "mulch" all contracts. We transmitted the scanned contracts to HQ, which stored copies in several data-centers. Does "archival" quality of the ink matter? No. Both parties have xeroxed or scanned copies of the original, and often each side keeps at least two copies.

 

Consider, also, that signed contracts -- physical paper contracts -- are stored in folders inside of file cabinets. Ordinary ink will last a long time in those folders. I have a book I signed, using Sheaffer Washable Black, in 1960. I also have (filed away) a school notice from about 1954. It is printed on ditto paper and signed in a bright blue. Inexpensive paper and nothing special about the ink.

[Sandy1]

Hi,

 

X-ref to the infamous chicken pot pie episode

 

I've been reading some of this thread out loud (the really humorous parts, like what Sandy1 said about Eve and the serpent and the chicken pot pie ) to my husband, and he said that especially in the engineering/tech world, it is much harder to get rid of a process (such as signing with a BP) than it is to initiate said process.

As for me, I mostly sign stuff with whatever pen I have on me. I was writing a check a few days ago to pay the body shop after my car was repaired, and I used the Dark Lilac Safari with Noodler's Ellis Island Blue Black. And the guy thought it was an "old" pen....

As for signing carbon copies, I ran into that the last time we bought a vehicle. I was all ready to go with A Noodler's Konrad filled with KTC -- until I ran into carbonless forms for some of the financial stuff. Next time I'll be ready and have one of the Esterbrooks with one of the manifold nib units (either 9460 or 9461)!

My husband *also* said that after hanging out at Richard Binder's table the time a couple of summers ago when he was dragged along came with me to DCSS, he learned a lot about not pressing down so hard, even with a ballpoint. He said that carbon copies were probably why so many people press down do hard, and he's now paying more attention to that.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

 

 

I hope that your hubby appreciated my rather awkward sense of humour.

The S1 history of chicken pot pies starts here : https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/312233-songs-you-just-have-to-crank-up-the-volume/?p=3761371

 

It took us forever to co-ordinate hand clapping https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7wqTzONvaY

 

The saga of S1 seafood chowder remains sealed.

And then there's a song about cows cowboys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRyRL7EySUM

I apologise for going very much off-Topic.

Bye,

S1

feeling better

Edited March 6, 2017 by Sandy1