Permanent Ink That Does Not Clog Pens

[Oranges and Apples]

Noodler's Black

[inkyelbows]

Great thread! I have also been hoping to find a permanent ink that does not clog pens.

 

My reason for wanting one: so I can use it with watercolors in illustrations, and potentially for use in book illustration.

 

I am a fountain newbie (as of about a month ago) but have embraced it completely. But to show my ignorance as a newbie: I had no idea that fountain pen inks weren't waterproof until an illustrator friend of mine told me.

 

I do actually LIKE the shading effect you can create with a waterbrush and Iroshizuku inks, but I'd also like the option of non-blurring ink. Currently experimenting with Noodler's Blue Upon The Plains Of Abraham and while I find water results in a slight pinkish haze, it's not nearly as dramatic a blurring as the Iroshizuku inks.

 

I've bought a bottle of Platinum Carbon Ink but am nervous about ruining my pens so am doing copious research first about proper cleaning techniques, etc.

 

Debbie

[VivienR]

Great thread! I have also been hoping to find a permanent ink that does not clog pens.

 

My reason for wanting one: so I can use it with watercolors in illustrations, and potentially for use in book illustration.

 

I am a fountain newbie (as of about a month ago) but have embraced it completely. But to show my ignorance as a newbie: I had no idea that fountain pen inks weren't waterproof until an illustrator friend of mine told me.

 

I do actually LIKE the shading effect you can create with a waterbrush and Iroshizuku inks, but I'd also like the option of non-blurring ink. Currently experimenting with Noodler's Blue Upon The Plains Of Abraham and while I find water results in a slight pinkish haze, it's not nearly as dramatic a blurring as the Iroshizuku inks.

 

I've bought a bottle of Platinum Carbon Ink but am nervous about ruining my pens so am doing copious research first about proper cleaning techniques, etc.

 

Debbie

 

I used many times Platinum Carbon Black and I found it easy to clean, and its Blue brother as well.

[tinta]

I dabble with a few ferrogallic inks:

-from fountain pen manufacturers (Old formula MBMB, Platinum b/b,)

-from large ink manufactureres (Diamine Registrars, R&K Salix & Scabiosa, Akkerman #10) & small makers like Essr, Pharmacist's or lately KWZI IG b/b.

 

*If you don't allow these inks to dry out inside your pen & you exercise reasonable pen hygiene, there shouldn't be any worries.

 

For the last couple of years, whenever I want an ink with some permanence, I reach for Platinum's b/b (more dark blue than black) or for Pelikan's b/b (supposedly now with no IG content, in bottled ink & carts).

 

For a permanent nano-particle ink, I prefer Sailor's Kiwa-Guro Black over the "washed out look" of their Sei-Buko b/b

[sciumbasci]

Is there any difference at all between Platinum Carbon Black and Sailor Kiwa Guro?

Which one is less likely to feather on cheap paper? Which one dries to a darker black? Which one dries faster?

[dcwaites]

I have been using Koh-i-noor Document Blue, which is a certified permanent document ink. I get it on ebay for about $5 with free postage, for 50 mls. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/FOUNTAIN-PEN-INK-BLUE-BLACK-RED-GREEN-DOCUMENT-KOH-I-NOOR-50G-REFILLING-WRITING-/331675587633

This is a dye-based ink, and I have not had any problems in any of the pens I have filled with it.

 

As others have suggested, Platinum Pigment Blue, Pilot Blue, Black and Blue-Black, and the new Blackstone Barrister inks, Black and Blue

 

Of course, something I don't ever see mentioned is that you need to let the ink dry, and in some cases, set over a few hours, before they are fully waterproof. This is particularly so with the iron-gall based inks.

If you dump coffee, Coke, or your prized Lapsang Souchong on your writing while your permanent ink is still wet, then hopefully you still have a fresh copy of your text in your mind.

[Bookman]

Is there any difference at all between Platinum Carbon Black and Sailor Kiwa Guro?

Which one is less likely to feather on cheap paper? Which one dries to a darker black? Which one dries faster?

 

I'm interested in the answer to your question too. But meanwhile I'll report that I use Platinum Carbon Black almost every day, if not every day, in my Platinum Carbon Desk Pen with its EF nib. In 9 months I've never had a clog or even a skip. I use it primarily to write on the backs of postcards, store-bought and DIY. The few times I've had to fill out a form and mail it in I've used this pen and ink. I don't recall its ever feathering.

Edited December 4, 2016 by Bookman

[eharriett]

I'd been using Platinum Carbon black for journaling in my Waterman Paris for over a year (only fountain pen I've had until recently). Gone through half a bottle in that time. Had zero problems except for some staining in the converter. It takes me 10-15 days to use up one converter and I thoroughly soak the nib before each refill just in case of problems since it is a pigmented ink. Not sure if it is overkill or not, but it has lead to a problem free experience.

[dcwaites]

Is there any difference at all between Platinum Carbon Black and Sailor Kiwa Guro?

Which one is less likely to feather on cheap paper? Which one dries to a darker black? Which one dries faster?

 

The particles in the Kiwaguro are much finer than the Platinum Carbon Black. I don't think either feather on cheap paper, but the Platinum will bleed through a bit more.

The Platinum looks blacker, but the Kiwaguro, for reasons of Quantum, is blacker.

I would think that the Kiwaguro dries a bit more quickly.

[VivienR]

Is there any difference at all between Platinum Carbon Black and Sailor Kiwa Guro?

Which one is less likely to feather on cheap paper? Which one dries to a darker black? Which one dries faster?

 

According to this review they are almost the same. I didn't experienced any problem with Carbon Black so far. In a moderate copy paper its water proof after few seconds.

[sciumbasci]

 

According to this review they are almost the same. I didn't experienced any problem with Carbon Black so far. In a moderate copy paper its water proof after few seconds.

 

The particles in the Kiwaguro are much finer than the Platinum Carbon Black. I don't think either feather on cheap paper, but the Platinum will bleed through a bit more.

The Platinum looks blacker, but the Kiwaguro, for reasons of Quantum, is blacker.

I would think that the Kiwaguro dries a bit more quickly.

None of them dries to a glossy black, right?

[LizB]

I work in a kitchen and my writing frequently gets wet. I use De Atramentis Document Fog Grey (which is kind of blue-ish), and it has performed very well indeed. The ink runs very faintly and remains legible. I have had it in a Preppy, eye-dropper filled and haven't flushed it for weeks. Runs fine every time.

Edited December 4, 2016 by LizB

[eharriett]

 

The particles in the Kiwaguro are much finer than the Platinum Carbon Black. I don't think either feather on cheap paper, but the Platinum will bleed through a bit more.

The Platinum looks blacker, but the Kiwaguro, for reasons of Quantum, is blacker.

I would think that the Kiwaguro dries a bit more quickly.

Really? I did not know this. I shall have to inquire into a sample of the Kiwaguro.

[VivienR]

None of them dries to a glossy black, right?

 

No gloss from Platinum Carbon Black.

[inkyelbows]

 

I used many times Platinum Carbon Black and I found it easy to clean, and its Blue brother as well.

 

Thanks, VivienR! I didn't know there was a Blue version of that ink. I have so much to learn!

 

Debbie

[matteob]

I will try the Noodlers Black. I am having terrific results so far with the Britannia Blue ink in terms of flow and permanence too. It had me worried as has a milky consistency in the bottle.

 

As to Platinum Carbon Ink Cultpens in the UK warns that the carbon particles CAN clog pens resulting in permanent damage if care is not exercised.

Edited December 5, 2016 by matteob