Feeds-Simple And Complex

[Scrawler]

We are so off topic, I will PM you.

[Pen Engineer]

Thank you.

In the mountains of New York.....when I was a boy. I learned to chop wood with out chopping off a foot and use a maul and wedge....pre chain saw....for what we were doing. Chainsaws were rather new back then...and not everyone had one. It wasn't farm life then....wood for the fireplace not for cooking....farm life came later at my Grandfathers Mississippi farm....three months of farming is enough for anyone.

 

I read a lot....in I'm writing the worlds longest City Slicker western I have to know everything about 1880.

I'd often but more in Germany seen wood/coal burning kitchen stoves....but have not cooked on them....do know how though. Fireplaces are nice but better if there is another heat source also. .... unless you have a real proper made house and a sweater.

 

Those tile kitchen/'living' room sit on the side of them stoves is something one should have for bad times......sigh....all I got is my Weaver....on my balcony. I'm forced to be optimistic.

... Feeds, simple and complex... ahm, ahem! Someone could criticize us to be far of topic

 

Do you think we should start a new forum on the Good Old Days, or wood/coal burning kitchen stoves or something like it?

 

As a boy, I was an artist in stacking brown coal briquettes... had to carry them up into the sixth floor, no lift!

 

About fire places... they have a romantic touch. We used to say: "Vorne brennt man und hinten klappert man mit den Zähnen" Does not sound as snappy in English: "At the front one burns and behind one chatters with the teeth."

 

Up in the mountains, every old house would have such a tiled stove, Kachelofen, and one part would stick into the room for the oldest person living in the house, such as my great-grandmother. How times have changed... to repeat your final statement: I am forced to be optimistic

[Bo Bo Olson]

I could not come up with the word Kachelofen to save my life. There is a series of Programs on German TV .... last of their Stand....or last of their trade, and there was someone making a brick bread oven and a Kachelofen up in the alps...last month.

 

(I have seen 'something like adobe' ovens being made at mid-evil tournaments or old housing museums where they have moved 30 or 50 old buildings from hundreds of kilometers away to make an old time village.

I like knowing how...but prefer a light switch and a self cleaning oven. There was a lot of knowledge and function in the old things and ways....considering the limits of each and every region.

 

Yep, I like old pens.....so old ways is appropriate....that has not been shown....and hope it never is.

 

I enjoy that program when they have them....most are from 10-15 years ago when there was still an old master alive.

I do have books on that, but it is much nicer looking at say, smiths smithing than reading about it in my blacksmith book.

Karshrue's palace has some of the greatest wrought iron smith work in the fence, in the world, right up with some of the wrought iron smithing in cathedrals in France. I really don't know my A from my E, but when the books say it's great....I'll go stare at it for a long time.

It must be great, when they remember to mention master so and so did that....and they are talking about 'hand' work. ...

We have lost so much....and here and there there are still remenents of old trades hanging on...restorations and ....with help of the Arabs wanting still the best that can be made. Most of the other ultra rich can't be bothered.

 

"Munich Glass"...stained glass windows is well worth staring at anywhere in the world...and that is 'modern' 1840's to now and they do classical and modern.....modern art can look ok when done in glass...glass windows....beats the hell out of splotches of paint on a canvas...there is more 'light'.

If you look you can find some near you....65% is exported.

That was my new thing learned this week....I do look at stained glass windows often enough....but am happy a major factory still exists and is doing well.

[Pen Engineer]

as an apprentice with Siemens in Karlsruhe, Wernerwerk für Meßgeräte, in the early 1960th I was part of a team that moved an old chapel that was in the way of a new freeway through the Black Forest, against much protest from everyone. It was about 800 years old and was moved up a slope for about a kilometer. It was done on a railway track with about ten rails in parallel. put down in high precision and removed 1o meters after. We had hundreds of strain gauges stuck all over the building to register the slightest movement. the transport was stopped immediately. there were oil pressured bellows under the track which were inflated to correct the straightness of the track. the whole enterprise took over a year, TV had installed cameras, running while we were moving. We thought they just wanted to have recordings of any catastrophe.

 

good old days...

 

at some stage, when I was in a cul-de-sac, I considered attaching strain gauges in nibs. It was a very costly business those days... I got out of it through pondering

 

The throw away mentality and prior to the the marketing principles have destroyed most of the old artisan ways. I love working with timber, turning and polishing. There are not many things that give me more pleasure and satisfaction than holding or touching a piece welll made.

Edited October 23, 2016 by PenIngeneer

[Bo Bo Olson]

I missed knowing about that moving of the chapel....in the '60's. We only read the American Stars and Stripes newspaper....and it was basically US news. It had the worlds best sports section though.

 

I got to Germany in '64.

I was 15-16 I was saving every silver dime I could....so I could go down to a German Gasthaus from the American Ghetto in Mannheim with 50 cents in silver....and get two 1/2 l beers. Money was very hard to come by. German law allows 16 year olds to buy beer or wine...no hard stuff till 18. If one was 15 with some 16 year olds and maintained....no one said anything. And on a two beer budget one did maintain. Sitting at a table and talking and sipping beer.

((((It was such a shock when I had to go back to the States for some 7-8 months when I was 17....and a case of illegal warm beer would be guzzled as fast as possible by 6-8 kids ...absolutely not maintaining...in that was not the idea at all.

Well I maintained, in it was only an overly expensive warm beer, not the end of the world.))))

 

In 1966 the Lamy 2000 came out...I didn't like it....it wasn't a Snorkel, the King of Pens....though it was prettier than those ugly Pelikans and clunky overly expensive MB's.

I didn't even know the word Bauhaus back then....

 

Why they wanted more for a gold plated fixture MB than a rolled gold fixtures Snorkel.... I still agree with my 15-16 year old self...that clunky 149 is way too big to use....out side of a signature. I do like the medium-large 146 of that era more than the modern '70's and later Large 146.

 

Oddly I came to like the ugly 400's Pelikans that were as expensive or even $2.00 more than a Snorkel. Back when The Dollar was Almighty. 4 DM to $1.00....like the Japanese the Germans set their currency to be worth less than the dollar so they could export....Pelikan or MB were only brought back to the States by GI's (I never saw an advertisement for Pelikan or MB pens. Pelikan ink was cheaper than Parker or Sheaffer, so was what I used in Jr. High.) ...like the cheap small Mercedes Diesel good for 300,000 ++ miles or the cheap tiny 2002 BMW that cornered so well. On the whole the only European car that is mid sized was the SAAB, the rest were small cars including a Rolls....way back then.

 

I was so jingoistic....dumb....thinking if a Piston was any good, we'd make them in the States too...so they couldn't be any good. I never even dreamed of spending my Snorkel money on a new 400NN. Had no idea what semi-flex was either....didn't even know about cleaning out pens....no one did.

 

A Snorkel was a pen for grown ups....costing some $12-14-18 for the fancy rolled gold fixture ones. I almost got one but got mugged by the P-75 set in @1970. (@ $22 and 18 in silver dollar money) I got my Snorkel some 40 years later.

 

xxxx

I had the pleasure of trying a Lamy Imporium over the week end. At the this year brand new Lamy only story deep down town in Heidelberg. I was very impressed with the gold colored gold 'Springy' insert. I had missed the rest of the nib was white gold....seeing it a 'steel' in it was not as springy as the gold insert. As I define 'Springy' like MB or the Japanese Falcon....good tine bend but only 2 X tine spread. ..... not as good as semi-flex but a bit better than old 'true' regular flex for the ride.

 

After being told, I went to Horton's and they have a New Lamy Wall....and they did away with the other pens they use to carry..... It was 14 K white gold. There are a few pictures of that pen and nib over in the Lamy section....the black nib looks striking with the gold insert.

 

I had won a newspaper tour of the Lamy Factory with my wife some four years ago. After telling the the design engineer, I liked my Persona; he told me a 'new' Persona was in the works....four years later...they had the new nib. The cap was long designed by the original and now dead designer of the Persona.

 

I like that new 'Springy' nib...it is better than MB's modern ones...it is more springy.

Edited October 23, 2016 by Bo Bo Olson

[Pen Engineer]

I missed knowing about that moving of the chapel....in the '60's. We only read the American Stars and Stripes newspaper....and it was basically US news. It had the worlds best sports section though.

 

I got to Germany in '64.

I was 15-16 I was saving every silver dime I could....so I could go down to a German Gasthaus from the American Ghetto in Mannheim with 50 cents in silver....and get two 1/2 l beers. Money was very hard to come by. German law allows 16 year olds to buy beer or wine...no hard stuff till 18. If one was 15 with some 16 year olds and maintained....no one said anything. And on a two beer budget one did maintain. Sitting at a table and talking and sipping beer.

((((It was such a shock when I had to go back to the States for some 7-8 months when I was 17....and a case of illegal warm beer would be guzzled as fast as possible by 6-8 kids ...absolutely not maintaining...in that was not the idea at all.

Well I maintained, in it was only an overly expensive warm beer, not the end of the world.))))

 

In 1966 the Lamy 2000 came out...I didn't like it....it wasn't a Snorkel, the King of Pens....though it was prettier than those ugly Pelikans and clunky overly expensive MB's.

I didn't even know the word Bauhaus back then....

 

Why they wanted more for a gold plated fixture MB than a rolled gold fixtures Snorkel.... I still agree with my 15-16 year old self...that clunky 149 is way too big to use....out side of a signature. I do like the medium-large 146 of that era more than the modern '70's and later Large 146.

 

Oddly I came to like the ugly 400's Pelikans that were as expensive or even $2.00 more than a Snorkel. Back when The Dollar was Almighty. 4 DM to $1.00....like the Japanese the Germans set their currency to be worth less than the dollar so they could export....Pelikan or MB were only brought back to the States by GI's (I never saw an advertisement for Pelikan or MB pens. Pelikan ink was cheaper than Parker or Sheaffer, so was what I used in Jr. High.) ...like the cheap small Mercedes Diesel good for 300,000 ++ miles or the cheap tiny 2002 BMW that cornered so well. On the whole the only European car that is mid sized was the SAAB, the rest were small cars including a Rolls....way back then.

 

I was so jingoistic....dumb....thinking if a Piston was any good, we'd make them in the States too...so they couldn't be any good. I never even dreamed of spending my Snorkel money on a new 400NN. Had no idea what semi-flex was either....didn't even know about cleaning out pens....no one did.

 

A Snorkel was a pen for grown ups....costing some $12-14-18 for the fancy rolled gold fixture ones. I almost got one but got mugged by the P-75 set in @1970. (@ $22 and 18 in silver dollar money) I got my Snorkel some 40 years later.

 

xxxx

I had the pleasure of trying a Lamy Imporium over the week end. At the this year brand new Lamy only story deep down town in Heidelberg. I was very impressed with the gold colored gold 'Springy' insert. I had missed the rest of the nib was white gold....seeing it a 'steel' in it was not as springy as the gold insert. As I define 'Springy' like MB or the Japanese Falcon....good tine bend but only 2 X tine spread. ..... not as good as semi-flex but a bit better than old 'true' regular flex for the ride.

 

After being told, I went to Horton's and they have a New Lamy Wall....and they did away with the other pens they use to carry..... It was 14 K white gold. There are a few pictures of that pen and nib over in the Lamy section....the black nib looks striking with the gold insert.

 

I had won a newspaper tour of the Lamy Factory with my wife some four years ago. After telling the the design engineer, I liked my Persona; he told me a 'new' Persona was in the works....four years later...they had the new nib. The cap was long designed by the original and now dead designer of the Persona.

 

I like that new 'Springy' nib...it is better than MB's modern ones...it is more springy.

That was about the time the chapel was moved...

 

you were not quite sure how old you were then? I fully understand, we really have to rely on what others tell us.

 

just had a look at the Persona... some REAL innovation in there. The nib is new, looks as it is not quite a nail... It seems that the conical shape is provided to ease the change of nibs

 

at the same time, I can imagine that ink would seep from the nib onto the section... there is no barrier to hinder the ink....

 

I am not sure (even I could like it, sort off) that the submersible clip is a good idea. one function of the clip is to prevent the pen from rolling of the desk...

 

Have you any connection with Lamy? I am asking because I would like to see a foto of the feed? I wonder whether they also designed a new feed?

 

Until anon

[Bo Bo Olson]

No connection...

 

Well....could be I could call them....in I now have a second question...if the new nib fits the old feed, and can I change it or must I bring it by the factory....be faster than mailing....

 

The 'second' edition of the Persona...has a tiny, tiny bump on the clip to prevent it from rolling off the desk. Mine is the first edition....the 'roller fall' one.

 

now the Idea is I have is to ask if the Imporium nib fits the old Persona. ...and it its as easy as a Safari's nib to take off.

 

One of the two black nibs shown in the Imporium thread, would look real nice on my black Titanium Persona. There is the outline of gold in black, and the black backed gold insert. Both look real good.

 

$$$$ the reason I buy cheap old pens/vintage. I could expect the new gold nib to set me back close to $200 +-.

 

I just telephoned, got put into the repair section....no, the feed is slightly different and I can't put an Imporium nib on my old Persona.

[Pen Engineer]

No connection...

 

Well....could be I could call them....in I now have a second question...if the new nib fits the old feed, and can I change it or must I bring it by the factory....be faster than mailing....

 

The 'second' edition of the Persona...has a tiny, tiny bump on the clip to prevent it from rolling off the desk. Mine is the first edition....the 'roller fall' one.

 

now the Idea is I have is to ask if the Imporium nib fits the old Persona. ...and it its as easy as a Safari's nib to take off.

 

One of the two black nibs shown in the Imporium thread, would look real nice on my black Titanium Persona. There is the outline of gold in black, and the black backed gold insert. Both look real good.

 

$$$$ the reason I buy cheap old pens/vintage. I could expect the new gold nib to set me back close to $200 +-.

 

I just telephoned, got put into the repair section....no, the feed is slightly different and I can't put an Imporium nib on my old Persona.

had a look... the Imporium has the same nibs as the Safari... the slide fit with the two flaps. the Persona has a different nib, with a conical fit. Very different.

 

Having said this, an industrious fellow could take out his mini chisels and knives and carve a Safari end on a Persona end. I would need to see close up fotos of the Persona feed to give a definite yes

 

... also for personal interest, because I wanted to see if they went away from the Safari feed principle...

[Bo Bo Olson]

It's a nice enough nib....on the Imporium but....it's not semi-flex....and I don't see me ruining a working pen with a nice CI to get a 'Springy' nib, when I have so many semi&maxi-semi-flex nibs.

 

What I didn't ask was to replace the whole feed and nib with the other or.... What about just unscrewing the front section????? The barrel looks the same....just a different cap and nib and feed.

[Pen Engineer]

It's a nice enough nib....on the Imporium but....it's not semi-flex....and I don't see me ruining a working pen with a nice CI to get a 'Springy' nib, when I have so many semi&maxi-semi-flex nibs.

 

What I didn't ask was to replace the whole feed and nib with the other or.... What about just unscrewing the front section????? The barrel looks the same....just a different cap and nib and feed.

I guess, if the feed could be swapped then your problem is solved....

 

Your second idea: If it works, tell Lamy and they will be grateful that you invented another model for them.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Right the idea is to sell more pens.....not pen sections......

 

I was 15 when I got to Germany....and expected the Black Forest or the Alps and all the girls and women to be big busted in Drindels..................I got 1964 ....in Mannheim ....and Drindels was 'out' of fashion in the big city.

 

There was no American teenage car scene either...at the cost of insurance only three boys of 120 owned one....and one wrecked his.

....street cars were not named Desire either.

I'd just left there....and that must have been on the Charleston St. line, defiantly wasn't on Canal Street.

 

Well, there was drinking one's beer civilized in a Gasthaus at 15 passing for 16....and lack of money made a 20 cent pint of beer last quite a long time.......my first diet was not eating school lunch saving fifty cents silver for Friday night out with the boys. 2 1/2 pints (50 cents silver) of beer took about three hours. We had to bring our own girls....the German boys hid their girls.

[Pen Engineer]

Right the idea is to sell more pens.....not pen sections......

 

I was 15 when I got to Germany....and expected the Black Forest or the Alps and all the girls and women to be big busted in Drindels..................I got 1964 ....in Mannheim ....and Drindels was 'out' of fashion in the big city.

 

There was no American teenage car scene either...at the cost of insurance only three boys of 120 owned one....and one wrecked his.

....street cars were not named Desire either.

I'd just left there....and that must have been on the Charleston St. line, defiantly wasn't on Canal Street.

 

Well, there was drinking one's beer civilized in a Gasthaus at 15 passing for 16....and lack of money made a 20 cent pint of beer last quite a long time.......my first diet was not eating school lunch saving fifty cents silver for Friday night out with the boys. 2 1/2 pints (50 cents silver) of beer took about three hours. We had to bring our own girls....the German boys hid their girls.

... I meant, combining a section of one pen with the barrel of another...

 

In those days, we would not take girls to the pub, Gasthaus. That was for the boys, exclusively. It was for bragging about stories and to measure one's capacity. Girls we took to the cafe, music or cinema. That was where we showed off the girls and that was what they liked. I stop now talking about girls, the rest you know, I guess.

Edited October 31, 2016 by PenIngeneer

[Bo Bo Olson]

Too few of them around to have an interest on poor HS boys, when there were 'rich' privates to chase.

 

At that time....not later, Privates in Germany and Japan were rich, because of artificial money worth of the Yen and DM. 360 Yen-$1 & 4DM-$1.

German workers were so ill paid they had to have half a months bonus for vacations and a month for Christmas so they could buy presents. ....That is not universal now, like it was then. So a Private could have a good time every payday week......in Korea, he could live like a Prince.

 

Back in the Draft Days....privates were paid next to nothing. In high priced America of then it was nothing.

In 'cheap' Germany a Private made nearly half as much as an unskilled worker. So with room and board covered....was well off.

Not like today, where a private is a professional so has to be paid a living also.

 

As mentioned hen teeth was easier for a HS student to come by than money.

[Pen Engineer]

hen teeth was easier for a HS student to come by than money... almost impossible, isn't it?

 

Same here... I used to set up bowling pins in a bowling alley, Kegelbahn, till 1 o'clock in the morning to save money to buy my first guitar...

 

What was the story about feeds? Interesting things. I need a few photos of feeds because I want to write my final article on feeds... how all what I have explained so far looks in real life.

 

Do you have any? Or do you know someone who has? At the moment I only have a Safari feed and a 2000.

[Bo Bo Olson]

No photo's of feeds....I seldom even charge my camera.

 

Just checked my Aluminum thin pen, with little black hollow checks...so is not a CP-1 as I once thought seems to have the same nib and feed as the Safari. Considering the width differences, a surprise.

 

The only other Lamy I have is that Persona now a CI from an OB..

I did sell a '50's OM one that had wandered in one day. No line variation.

I only get line variation in oblique in the '50-60's semi/maxi-semi-flex.

 

There are a lot of folks with left eye dominance so they cant their nibs normally, so nail, semi-nail or even 'true' regular flex, would be what they need to have the nib lay a nice line. Some left handers can use those stiffer obliques also.

 

My wife is extremely left eyed dominate. She really has to crawl all over a rifle to shoot straight....and she is a good shot. Holds the pistol across her body to shoot left eyed. Remembering that and seeing how much she canted a nib when ever I could twist her arm enough to try one of my hobby pens. I came up with a reason for a nail or any stiffer nibs that are oblique.

I've tried nail, semi-nail and regular flex in oblique and there was no line variation....I could compare to the semi/maxi of the '50's era. Eye dominance and some left hand styles.

 

 

I don't chase Lamy....in all I'd seen up to the Imporium were nails....the Artus were 'true' regular flex...I have a couple of them...and some parts that could some day be a pen.

 

I will admit....I've never seen a used 2000 on German Ebay....or not when I was looking. So the kids are keeping Dad or Granddad's old 2000.

[Pen Engineer]

No photo's of feeds....I seldom even charge my camera.

 

Just checked my Aluminum thin pen, with little black hollow checks...so is not a CP-1 as I once thought seems to have the same nib and feed as the Safari. Considering the width differences, a surprise.

 

The only other Lamy I have is that Persona now a CI from an OB..

I did sell a '50's OM one that had wandered in one day. No line variation.

I only get line variation in oblique in the '50-60's semi/maxi-semi-flex.

 

There are a lot of folks with left eye dominance so they cant their nibs normally, so nail, semi-nail or even 'true' regular flex, would be what they need to have the nib lay a nice line. Some left handers can use those stiffer obliques also.

 

My wife is extremely left eyed dominate. She really has to crawl all over a rifle to shoot straight....and she is a good shot. Holds the pistol across her body to shoot left eyed. Remembering that and seeing how much she canted a nib when ever I could twist her arm enough to try one of my hobby pens. I came up with a reason for a nail or any stiffer nibs that are oblique.

I've tried nail, semi-nail and regular flex in oblique and there was no line variation....I could compare to the semi/maxi of the '50's era. Eye dominance and some left hand styles.

 

 

I don't chase Lamy....in all I'd seen up to the Imporium were nails....the Artus were 'true' regular flex...I have a couple of them...and some parts that could some day be a pen.

 

I will admit....I've never seen a used 2000 on German Ebay....or not when I was looking. So the kids are keeping Dad or Granddad's old 2000.

the cp1 had initially a brass body, later stainless steel. The coating was incredible... black titanium oxide (which is usually brilliant white) plasma coated. It would never wear. But it was expensive and as far as I know, after the cp1 they stopped using it.

 

I played around with coating nibs with that stuff, in white and black and any other colour, mainly to get rid of the tungsten tip. It was too brittle. but the coloured nibs looked great. That's how the black nib got into the collection against much resistance from... it is not plasma coated, but some electrochemical process.

 

The Artus was a pen from the old era, before the 2000. When pens were pens. IMHO, the 2000 was too expensive in production to ever been on the market for a sellable price. They didn't make any profit then and I wonder (not really) whether they do now. At the time, they had no ingeneer in the design department and the manufacturing ingeneers did what they were told by....

 

What I learned: The owners of a 2000 were either very forgiving, tolerating all sorts of .... or they had thrown them away, and did not talk about it because they did not want to admit...

 

PS: "I am surprised about what your wife allows you to do with her."

[Bo Bo Olson]

That is a most interesting take on the 2000. ...........

 

When she can shoot 5 of 6 cigarettes in cartridge cases on the top of the board at 100m with a foggy not quite adjusted 4 X power scoped 22...and neither me nor the gun owner could get one.....some times she wants to show me either how to do it or remind me she still can; so she will do a contortion act with a rifle.

She just don't want to learn to shoot left handed.

 

I should never have told her the first time she ever shot, she was Olympic quality....in that sounded like work.

So she shoots a few shots every two or so years at the gun club's summer fest to keep her eye in.

 

My self I could always hit the inside of the barn if it don't move too fast.

Edited November 3, 2016 by Bo Bo Olson

[Pen Engineer]

That is a most interesting take on the 2000. ...........

 

When she can shoot 5 of 6 cigarettes in cartridge cases on the top of the board at 100m with a foggy not quite adjusted 4 X power scoped 22...and neither me nor the gun owner could get one.....some times she wants to show me either how to do it or remind me she still can; so she will do a contortion act with a rifle.

She just don't want to learn to shoot left handed.

 

I should never have told her the first time she ever shot, she was Olympic quality....in that sounded like work.

So she shoots a few shots every two or so years at the gun club's summer fest to keep her eye in.

 

My self I could always hit the inside of the barn if it don't move too fast.

wow!

 

But how is she with never to flexible overflexible nibs on a vintage feed? ...on an icy cold winter morning? at 120 km/hr?

[Bo Bo Olson]

Sadly I tend to think 190kmh (118mph) is enough when in my MX-5, my wife takes it to 205 (127)just under max and says....dryly...'We could use a few more horse power."

There are still places where one can fly low on the autobahn....if one knows where to look....sadly about an hour's drive in an odd direction to so far out in the country...that the Greens haven't discovered it yet.

 

She's down to 60-70 cook books (some 10 or so from the later 1800's....that she will open so I can have German 'Country Food'. ) from the 400 she once had...the Americans had the Thrift Shop and cookbooks only cost $0.25 a piece. When we moved into our own apartment we both lost a hell of a lot of books.

 

Sigh.....she's a ball point user......the old saying is right....there is no perfect woman.

A man needs two blind women in his life....his mother and his wife. That and one of those 'Fun House' mirrors to shave with.

[Pen Engineer]

Sadly I tend to think 190kmh (118mph) is enough when in my MX-5, my wife takes it to 205 (127)just under max and says....dryly...'We could use a few more horse power."

There are still places where one can fly low on the autobahn....if one knows where to look....sadly about an hour's drive in an odd direction to so far out in the country...that the Greens haven't discovered it yet.

 

She's down to 60-70 cook books (some 10 or so from the later 1800's....that she will open so I can have German 'Country Food'. ) from the 400 she once had...the Americans had the Thrift Shop and cookbooks only cost $0.25 a piece. When we moved into our own apartment we both lost a hell of a lot of books.

 

Sigh.....she's a ball point user......the old saying is right....there is no perfect woman.

A man needs two blind women in his life....his mother and his wife. That and one of those 'Fun House' mirrors to shave with.

Even extremely unusual... Sounds reasonable, your wife's point...

 

Yes, my Oma was the last perfect woman...

 

Why do they need to be blind? That they don't see each other? Since you appear to be a shaver, not being shaven could not be the reason...

 

is it shaven or shaved?

 

PS: Do you think that they will kick us out of this forum? Perhaps we could start a new one, about women? The perfect one? but then, they might think we talk about the perfect fountain pen... or "The correlation between female ball pen users and their degree of perfection?"

Edited November 8, 2016 by PenIngeneer