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I've just received my invitation to the Peggy Guggenheim launch. Wim - have you got an "official" MB press release on the pens with detailed photos as they've included photos on all the invites sent out to collectors. Looks like one of the best POAs for a few years - B nib ordered already on the brief photos I've seen.

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I received an email from MB on this pen. So, I would think it is open to the public.

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When I was last in the MB boutique I was shown the catalogue of upcoming pens. This one looks interesting that's for sure.

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I am afraid it is still under embargo. I spoke with Montblanc about this yesterday actually. Please note that the Montblanc material is copyrighted, and that you can only publish anything from it with expressly granted permission from Montblanc.

 

Please do note as well that for anything published on an EU website, and we are registered in the EU, the "owners" are held responsible (and liable) for anything published on the website.

 

I'll see what I can do, but for now, sorry, it is like it is.

 

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"I've just received my invitation to the Peggy Guggenheim launch"

 

So it exists. So we can talk about it, without showing pictures obviously ? Surely thoughts and opinions cannot be copyrighted.

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  On 4/8/2016 at 3:33 AM, wimg said:

I am afraid it is still under embargo. I spoke with Montblanc about this yesterday actually. Please note that the Montblanc material is copyrighted, and that you can only publish anything from it with expressly granted permission from Montblanc.

 

Please do note as well that for anything published on an EU website, and we are registered in the EU, the "owners" are held responsible (and liable) for anything published on the website.

 

I'll see what I can do, but for now, sorry, it is like it is.

 

Warm regards, Wim

 

Are you the owner of FPN?

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  On 4/8/2016 at 11:01 AM, Trom said:

 

Are you the owner of FPN?

 

By default and effectively, yes, since 2010.

 

See the FPN Contact Info

We registered FPN as a company for funding and hence tax reasons early in 2013.

 

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  On 4/8/2016 at 3:33 AM, wimg said:

I am afraid it is still under embargo. I spoke with Montblanc about this yesterday actually. Please note that the Montblanc material is copyrighted, and that you can only publish anything from it with expressly granted permission from Montblanc.

 

Please do note as well that for anything published on an EU website, and we are registered in the EU, the "owners" are held responsible (and liable) for anything published on the website.

 

I'll see what I can do, but for now, sorry, it is like it is.

 

Warm regards, Wim

 

Sorry Wim, but that's ridiculous. If Montblanc already shows pictures and informations to their customers within the stores and by mail they can't hold fpn under "embargo" any more. I think either they don't know what their staff is doing or just forget to inform you.

You are right that we can not post pictures from their leaflet but we do can speak about the pens.

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  On 4/8/2016 at 12:24 PM, penparadise said:

 

Sorry Wim, but that's ridiculous. If Montblanc already shows pictures and informations to their customers within the stores and by mail they can't hold fpn under "embargo" any more. I think either they don't know what their staff is doing or just forget to inform you.

You are right that we can not post pictures from their leaflet but we do can speak about the pens.

 

Hi Axel,

 

I specifically mentioned copyrighted material :). Maybe I should have been more clear; I did not say anything about speaking about the invitation or the pen itself :). I am assuming that there is no clause in that invitation, to prevent you from talking about it :).

 

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  On 4/8/2016 at 12:24 PM, penparadise said:

 

Sorry Wim, but that's ridiculous. If Montblanc already shows pictures and informations to their customers within the stores and by mail they can't hold fpn under "embargo" any more. I think either they don't know what their staff is doing or just forget to inform you.

You are right that we can not post pictures from their leaflet but we do can speak about the pens.

 

There are pictiures on the internet already, since March 17th

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  On 4/8/2016 at 2:31 PM, Trom said:

 

There are pictiures on the internet already, since March 17th

 

This is my own view only but may assist in providing some understanding of the copyright issue here and what can be published and what may not. Again, in my view, this is an issue that goes beyond the latest MB pen.

 

Copyright is the right to control a work and the reproduction of a work. Generally speaking, Montblanc as the creator of the original work being the image of the pen and will have the right to control its use for a specific period, which is up to 70 years in the EU. A breach of copyright takes place when someone uses a copyrighted work without the permission of the owner of the copyright.

 

The exposure does not rest with the FPN member, although that may change, but the owner of FPN.

 

Claims for breach of copyright has increased exponentially with the huge variety of different media through which FPN members are able to express themselves and the ease with which it is possible to find and copy material from the internet, there is a Facebook page on this new pen for example.

Where material is taken from (or is published on) the internet, complex and therefore expensive jurisdictional issues can also arise.

 

Consider if you were to use a photograph of a Parker Vacumatic from another’s site and you took that well photographed image as your own, you can expect a claim for damages in respect of breach of copyright to follow, this copyright law does not simply apply to new pens.

 

If FPN permits the distribution of material created by third parties then FPN will expose itself to a risk of copyright infringement. If that copyright owner has said to FPN that they would like this practice to stop please then it would be foolish to allow this exposure to continue, it would be a reasonable person who came to the conclusion that the cost of defending itself (and possibly paying any subsequent award) from litigation could exceed whatever benefit was obtained from having this resource.

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  On 4/8/2016 at 2:33 PM, Beechwood said:

 

Thi is my own view only but may assist with providing an understanding of the copyright issue here and what can be published and what may not. This is an issue that goes beyond the latest MB pen.

 

Copyright is the right to control a work and the reproduction of a work. Generally speaking, the Montblanc as the creator of the original work being the image of the pen and will have the right to control its use for a specific period, which is up to 70 years in the EU. A breach of copyright takes place when someone uses a copyright work without the permission of the owner of the copyright.

 

The exposure does not rest with the FPN member, although that may change, but the owner of the site.

Claims for breach of copyright has increased exponentially with the huge variety of different media through which FPN members are able to express themselves and the ease with which it is possible to find and copy material from the internet, there is a Facebook page on this new pen for example, or possibly even from an MB brochure or material. Where material is taken from (or is published on) the internet, complex and therefore expensive jurisdictional issues can also arise. There may be some who need an understanding of the copyright issue here and what can be pubished and what may not. This is an issue that goes beyond the latest MB pen but is obviously a current, sensitive and commerical issue.

 

Copyright is the right to control a work and the reproduction of a work. Generally speaking, the Montblanc as the creator of the original work will have the right to control its use for a specific period which is up to 70 years in the EU.

A breach of copyright takes place when someone uses a copyright work without the permission of the owner of the copyright.

If I use the photograph of a Parker Vacumatic from another’s site and take that well photographed image as my own site then I can expect a claim for damages in respect of breach of copyright to follow.

If FPN permits the distribution of material created by third parties then FPN will expose itself to a risk of copyright infringement. If that copyright owner has said to FPN we would like this practice to stop please then only a foolish person would allow this exposure to continue and it would be a reasonable person who came to the conclusion that the cost of defending themselves (and possibly paying any subsequent award) from litigation could exceed whatever benefit was obtained from having this resource.

 

There are pictures on the internet already, since March 17th, a Greek website and on an Italian fountain pen forum website.

 

These days it is just too difficult to forbid pictures and selfies. There are leaks everywhere, even in Panama sometimes.

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Thanks Beechwood. Then please enlighten me - if someone was invited to a gathering and took a photo of the goods, then post his photo on FPN, then since he is the photographer, he owns the copyright of the picture, hence the manufacturer can't do zilch, right? Or you are saying the manufacturer can still sue and win?

 

BTW I have seen this new pen's picture. not impressed, looks like the PIcasso.

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  On 4/8/2016 at 2:41 PM, sunnerd said:

Thanks Beechwood. Then please enlighten me - if someone was invited to a gathering and took a photo of the goods, then post his photo on FPN, then since he is the photographer, he owns the copyright of the picture, hence the manufacturer can't do zilch, right? Or you are saying the manufacturer can still sue and win?

 

BTW I have seen this new pen's picture. not impressed, looks like the PIcasso.

 

 

I am not a lawyer, but reasonably I would expect that if MB or any other manufacturer were to provide an exhibition of their products and allow people to take images that they could not reasonably object if that photographer were to present those images on their own site. To me there may be a questionmark over whether that lien extends to the publication of those images on a site such as FPN.

 

The reality is that you do not really want to get into a legal battle with any corporation, just the cost of defence can be punishing, better to eliminate the risk than attempt to measure it.

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  On 4/8/2016 at 2:39 PM, Trom said:

There are leaks everywhere, even in Panama sometimes.

 

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Montblanc ephemera and paraphernalia from 1908 to 1929,
Montblanc Meisterstück from 1924 up to the 50s,
Montblanc special and limited editions from 1991 to 2006
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  On 4/8/2016 at 3:33 AM, wimg said:

I am afraid it is still under embargo.

 

 

I'm getting really bored with this FPN politics... :angry:

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  On 4/8/2016 at 2:41 PM, sunnerd said:

Thanks Beechwood. Then please enlighten me - if someone was invited to a gathering and took a photo of the goods, then post his photo on FPN, then since he is the photographer, he owns the copyright of the picture, hence the manufacturer can't do zilch, right? Or you are saying the manufacturer can still sue and win?

 

BTW I have seen this new pen's picture. not impressed, looks like the PIcasso.

 

This could depend on the criteria they set down for the attendees. I have been to events (not FP related) where it is explicitly forbidden to take pics or share any of the info you have seen there

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  On 4/8/2016 at 4:45 PM, Xof72000 said:

 

I'm getting really bored with this FPN politics... :angry:

 

This has absolutely nothing to do with politics, but all with self-preservation, of FPN that is.

 

BTW, this is not just about Montblanc. We have removed copyrighted pictures all over the place, and we will continue to do so if and when we notice them.

 

HTH, warm regards, Wim

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