Identify Imperial/triumph Sheaffer

[Buttonboy]

Hello.

 

A new Sheaffer enthusiast to the site but I have used the pages many times.

 

I have a Sheaffer fountain pen that has a short inlaid diamond steel nib. The cap is the short type with the white dot.

 

In many respects it would be a standard imperial but the barrel and cap are "fluted" stainless steel.

 

I wondered if it could be a 506, either Imperial or Triumph.

 

Any ideas would be appreciated.

 

Regards

 

[Pincel]

506 if the clip is chrome plated; 506X if it has a gold plated clip.

[Happy Harry]

Sheaffer called these Triumphs. the higher priced pens with number starting with 7 and above are Imperials.

[corgicoupe]

How can you tell the difference between the two?

[Happy Harry]

Sterling silver , gold plated/filled caps with plastic barrel or fully gold plated/filled. For instance an Imperial 727 is a fully gold plated metal pen as is a 797 while a 777 is gold filled.

[terim]

Is that a short diamond nib? It looks like V-inlay to me. Sheaffer was mixing them and we find both styles of inlaid nibs on 330s and 440s.

 

Short diamond:

http://www.peytonstreet.com/pens/sheaffer/33ov_fine_black_nibunit_1.jpg

 

V-inlay:

 

http://www.peytonstreet.com/pens/sheaffer/33ov_fine_blue_nibunit_1.jpg

 

We've had 506XGs in the past, new old stock, like these:

 

http://www.peytonstreet.com/pens/sheaffer/sheaffer_506_xg_1.jpg

 

TERI

[Buttonboy]

Thanks for the interest. Yes it has a v inlaid nib, not a diamond. I learned something there.

 

If it is a 506 would it date from the 1970's.

 

By the way I am so envious of how you people are able to take such splendid photographs. I think you may have set me on another hobby.

 

Regards

Ian

[Buttonboy]

That 506xg is a beauty.

[Buttonboy]

Is there any significance between the diamond and the v inlaid nibs. Terim suggests they were random.?

[jar]

Is there any significance between the diamond and the v inlaid nibs. Terim suggests they were random.?

Probably not random but any significance is likely buried away in some Sheaffer internal cost or marketing analysis.

[Happy Harry]

What's described as V-inlay is later production, certainly late '70's.

Edited February 19, 2016 by Happy Harry

[mitto]

What's described as V-inlay is later production, certainly late '70's.

Yes. The V-inlay nib is found on later production quasi Imperial pens.

[Happy Harry]

Yes. The V-inlay nib is found on later production quasi Imperial pens.

Quasi Imperial ? Where did that wrong description come from? Sheaffer clearly labelled these as Triumphs. The Triumph name covered the model from 3xx through to the 5xx and the higher end where Imperials.

[Pincel]

Quasi Imperial ? Where did that wrong description come from? Sheaffer clearly labelled these as Triumphs. The Triumph name covered the model from 3xx through to the 5xx and the higher end where Imperials.

 

AFAIK, it's Teri (Peyton Street Pens) who popularized "quasi-Imperials" for the Triumph model "300, 400 and 500 series pens from the 1970s -- the popular work horse 330s, 440s, 444s and 550s. Because of its very Imperial-y look" Take note that barrel of these pens is a bit shorter than the "proper" Imperials.

Edited February 22, 2016 by Haribon

[mitto]

AFAIK, it's Teri (Peyton Street Pens) who popularized "quasi-Imperials" for the Triumph model "300, 400 and 500 series pens from the 1970s -- the popular work horse 330s, 440s, 444s and 550s. Because of its very Imperial-y look"

 

Hari, we all know what the pens are. Named triumphs by Sheaffer and quasi - Imperial by the collector community.

[Happy Harry]

Named triumphs by Sheaffer and quasi - Imperial by the collector community.

 

I think more a case of people not knowing the model name, I wouldn't bother making up a name when they already have a name. I think the collectors generally call these pens Triumphs.

[mitto]

AFAIK, it's Teri (Peyton Street Pens) who popularized "quasi-Imperials" for the Triumph model "300, 400 and 500 series pens from the 1970s -- the popular work horse 330s, 440s, 444s and 550s. Because of its very Imperial-y look" Take note that barrel of these pens is a bit shorter than the "proper" Imperials.

 

I think the barrel of Imperial VI (converter version) is the same size as that of 440/444.

Or perhaps I have the wrong barrel on my Imperial VI. One thing the barrels of triumphs and some Imperial models are intrrchangable.

[Happy Harry]

 

From the top, three Triumphs, a 440, a 444XG and 506XG. The bottom is an Imperial 797. All caps, barrels and nibs are interchangeable as well as being the same size.

[Happy Harry]

I think the barrel of Imperial VI (converter version) is the same size as that of 440/444.

Or perhaps I have the wrong barrel on my Imperial VI. One thing the barrels of triumphs and some Imperial models are intrrchangable.

 

You Imperial VI barrel should have a squared end, if it's a round end (like the 440 pictures above) it's probably from a different model.

[mitto]

Yes, I kind of knew my Imperial VI has the wrong barrel. It is the rounded end one. But I hope I would find the correct square ended barrel for it.