Mb Fakes

[lunarfp]

Who bids on these pens? $290 for a fake roller. Wow.

 

Whomever bought it, my heart goes out for him. Unfortunately this seller has been going at it for awhile now - A garbo roller, a boxed 163 Bordeaux (serial IW1666858) etc.

 

Buyers, please beware of kobip25 (who also goes by shir_elias123).

 

[hombreverde]

What gives it away as being fake? I'm trying to learn how discern the fakes on ebay...

[Nathanb]

  On 2/10/2016 at 3:21 AM, hombreverde said:

What gives it away as being fake? I'm trying to learn how discern the fakes on ebay...

Most commonly;

 

- Ridiculously looking converter with MONT BLANC printed

- Serial number (google it, lots of fakes use the same & the font used)

- Packaging (some cases have an inverted black snow cap, some booklets misspell 'writing instruments')

- Compare the nibs against a genuine (stamped differently in both font & words)

 

Many state if it's a piston filler, high chances it's legit

[Chrissy]

Also it helps to know what pens Montblanc actually issued in what models. They never made a Greta Garbo rollerball, so if you see one for sale you know it has to be a fake.

[ASL]

  On 2/10/2016 at 12:02 AM, lunarfp said:

Who bids on these pens? $290 for a fake roller. Wow.

 

Whomever bought it, my heart goes out for him. Unfortunately this seller has been going at it for awhile now - A garbo roller, a boxed 163 Bordeaux (serial IW1666858) etc.

 

Buyers, please beware of kobip25 (who also goes by shir_elias123).

 

 

Item 141895734961 is a roller, and all photos are Hazy .. lunarfp, how could you decide - particularly on this pen- its fake ??

Am I missing something very clear ? Thanks in advance for enlighten me..

 

Amr

[hombreverde]

  On 2/10/2016 at 8:55 AM, Chrissy said:

Also it helps to know what pens Montblanc actually issued in what models. They never made a Greta Garbo rollerball, so if you see one for sale you know it has to be a fake.

[jar]

  On 2/10/2016 at 1:24 PM, ASL said:

 

Item 141895734961 is a roller, and all photos are Hazy .. lunarfp, how could you decide - particularly on this pen- its fake ??

Am I missing something very clear ? Thanks in advance for enlighten me..

 

Amr

MB did not make a roller ball in the Greta Garbo line.

[FredRydr]

One must be careful about broad statements that a pen was never made.

 

For example, Montblanc did not "offer" a rollerball in the LeGrand size faceted platinum pens. But wait! Montblanc did make them! A very small group of them were made to distribute at the dinner for VIPs of Signature for Good in New York City several years ago. I already use a 100th year rollerball, so after a few years of it stored in its box, I grudgingly sold the faceted platinum pen that Montblanc presented to me to a man in Europe, who was very eager to lay his hands on such a very rare pen. Had I listed it on eBay, I probably would have been accused to selling a fake.

 

This advice is repeated over and over again: eBay is a risky place to do business if you aren't aware of the nuances of Montblanc pen manufacture.

 

Fred

Edited February 10, 2016 by FredRydr

[ASL]

  On 2/10/2016 at 3:12 PM, jar said:

MB did not make a roller ball in the Greta Garbo line.

Hi Jar

 

The pen in question here is not a Greta Garbo, it's a meisterstuck roller, Ebay ID Number 141895734961 MONTBLANC Meisterstuck diamond 163 gold Rollerball Pen.

 

I am not affiliated with the seller by all means .. I just wanted to understand how did they reach a firm conclusion its FAKE.

 

Cheers

Amr

[jar]

  On 2/10/2016 at 3:43 PM, ASL said:

Hi Jar

 

The pen in question here is not a Greta Garbo, it's a meisterstuck roller, Ebay ID Number 141895734961 MONTBLANC Meisterstuck diamond 163 gold Rollerball Pen.

 

I am not affiliated with the seller by all means .. I just wanted to understand how did they reach a firm conclusion its FAKE.

 

Cheers

Amr

Okay, my mistake. I thought you were referring to the Garbo.

[ASL]

  On 2/10/2016 at 4:00 PM, jar said:

Okay, my mistake. I thought you were referring to the Garbo.

No Problems at all dear .. Cheers .. Amr

[wastelanded]

Lousy photos, 25 sales total, that's enough for me to not even look closely to begin with.

[Chrissy]

  On 2/10/2016 at 3:40 PM, FredRydr said:

One must be careful about broad statements that a pen was never made.

 

For example, Montblanc did not "offer" a rollerball in the LeGrand size faceted platinum pens. But wait! Montblanc did make them! A very small group of them were made to distribute at the dinner for VIPs of Signature for Good in New York City several years ago. I already use a 100th year rollerball, so after a few years of it stored in its box, I grudgingly sold the faceted platinum pen that Montblanc presented to me to a man in Europe, who was very eager to lay his hands on such a very rare pen. Had I listed it on eBay, I probably would have been accused to selling a fake.

 

This advice is repeated over and over again: eBay is a risky place to do business if you aren't aware of the nuances of Montblanc pen manufacture.

 

Fred

 

OK If Montblanc made a Greta Garbo rollerball then they never told anybody, or advertised it, or mentioned it on their web-site with the Greta Garbo pens they have issued

[jsolares]

  On 2/10/2016 at 1:24 PM, ASL said:

 

Item 141895734961 is a roller, and all photos are Hazy .. lunarfp, how could you decide - particularly on this pen- its fake ??

Am I missing something very clear ? Thanks in advance for enlighten me..

 

Amr

 

 

I think it was only made in platinum trim not gold, the diamond actually looks too big in the ebay one, and no matter the angle the dome should always look clear and not opaque like the ebay does on one picture.

[lunarfp]

  On 2/10/2016 at 3:21 AM, hombreverde said:

What gives it away as being fake? I'm trying to learn how discern the fakes on ebay...

You were given excellent advices by fellow FPN members. I'll add a bit more below.

 

  On 2/10/2016 at 1:24 PM, ASL said:

 

Item 141895734961 is a roller, and all photos are Hazy .. lunarfp, how could you decide - particularly on this pen- its fake ??

Am I missing something very clear ? Thanks in advance for enlighten me..

 

Amr

 

Hi Amr, here's why I think this pen is a counterfeit. For starters, the diamond shape is wrong. Its corners are too sharp. It looks more like a flower rather than the Montblanc star. Also, the trims should be platinum coated while the fake pen trims are painted yellow gold. So both the color and the material are wrong.

http://www.montblanc.com/content/dam/mtb/products/writing-instruments/105/982/105982/207652-ecom-osis-sq-04.png.adapt.1500.1500.png

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/2HsAAOSwa-dWs9j9/s-l1600.jpg

 

 

Montblanc never released a Greta Garbo rollerball pen. At least, not that I know of. But I would add that the trim color is off - it should've been silver, not gold.

 

Lastly, the bordeaux rollerball pen has the common fake serial number IW1666858. Always look for the serial. That's the easiest way to spot a counterfeit.

 

Hope it helps.

[ASL]

Excellent & Many thanks, I was unable to find out such discrepancies, photos submitted on Ebay were too lousy and Hazy, but you made your point very clear. once again thanks.

[lunarfp]

Thank you, ASL. Glad I could help.

[alexwong001]

+1 thanks for the info. Learning new things daily.