The Matador Thread

[Otter1]

Just curious, does it have a MB feed or a Matador feed (has 2 slots in it)?

 

Like you, I wouldn't swap it out.

Mind you, I suspect an MB 136 nib might be worth more to some people than the entire pen...

 

-Otter1

[Andrei_s]

I don't know about the feed.

This is the feed and the nib:

 

IMG_20170803_114611 by Andrei S, on Flickr

 

IMG_20170712_105730 by Andrei S, on Flickr

 

I think the pen and the nib is from the same period. In that years, MB and Matador garant have aproximative the same value. Maybe the nib was put in the pen in that ages.

[kawuska]

Feed neither MB nor Matador but if it works..

[Otter1]

Thanks for the pics---didn't mean to make you tear it apart.

I suspect you are right that the nib and pen have probably been together for quite a while. And yup, if it works, I'd leave the combination as is.

Some of my most usable pens are the ones that came to me with non-original, but age-appropriate nibs.

[Andrei_s]

It works verry good, thanks.

[kawuska]

Hellooo!

Anybody there?



Just to revive the thread: I was lucky to acquire another Matador Turbino, my favorite line amongst Matadors.I'am almost sure the pen was made in Krakow, Poland, that's what nib imprint suggests, same as another Turbino of mine that was also bought in Poland.There's puzzling inconsequence here: pen and nib is exact size of the other Turbino I own but this one is marked 821 while the other 822.The only difference is color, could this be reflected in numbering?

Edited January 22, 2018 by kawuska

[christof]

I have a 921 Turbo, which looks quite similar (except of the section and the cap rings)

 

 

I can take some measurements today if you wish.

 

C.

Edited January 23, 2018 by christof

[kawuska]

Christof,

I also have 921 which is 12.4 cm while this 821 is 13.5 cm long, same as blue 822.

 

[christof]

...mine is 12.5cm. quite confusing...

 

C.

 

ps: nice colors!

[Otter1]

I checked and my turbino is also an 822, but a different color:

 

[Azuniga]

Beautiful new find kawuska !

 

I have no more information to bring here but of course I went and check my Turbos....

 

They are all Turbo and they are as follows: (the only Turbinos I have seen are the images of those in this thread thanks to you)

 

924 Black, Blue and Jade Green; A 922 Black; A 921 Coral smaller 12.4 cm; and a 822 Black and Pearl like the Turbino shown by Otter1

They all have two gold rings on the cap.

 

I understand the confusion mentioned by Christof, Do you think it is possible that the relation between measurements and numbers has to do with the country of production ?

[kawuska]

Hello Ariel,

hard to say..Your pens also bring small confusion as 8xx numbers were (?) supossedly reserved for "second class" Matadors like..Turbino which had one cap ring.

 

Otter1, do you have a picture of nib imprints?Especially 14 Karat 585.I believe that Turbinos were made/assembled in Krakow, Poland.These had particular "14 Karat" imprint. Name "Turbino" was registered by Leon Goldfinger as trade mark in Poland in 1933, "Turbo" pens date back to 1931.Goldfinger was owner of Krakow factory of Matador pens.

Siebert & Löwen got patent for this sort of mechanism in January 1931.

Edited January 24, 2018 by kawuska

[kawuska]

For pen-friends who visit this thread for the first time, I'am re-posting photos that were blanked by previous hosting provider.Blue pen in back, the 924 is the biggest in line, black 921 smallest.

 

[Azuniga]

I add some images, specially the 822 Black & Pearl, maybe you see where the difference is.

 

I wonder if the blind cap is not from another pen, from a Turbino maybe… that happens I guess and I never thought about it.

 

 

 

 

On the barrel, close to the blind cap it is marked DRGM BR PAT. BREVETE, I am sure the indication of the patent was not the same on the pens made in one or the other place

Edited January 24, 2018 by Azuniga

[kawuska]

On all my pens of polish origin, there is the same DRGM BR PAT. BREVETE imprint.

[Azuniga]

  On 1/24/2018 at 10:08 PM, kawuska said:

On all my pens of polish origin, there is the same DRGM BR PAT. BREVETE imprint.

It should be a Polish 822 then, thanks, very helpful...

[christof]

  On 1/24/2018 at 10:08 PM, kawuska said:

On all my pens of polish origin, there is the same DRGM BR PAT. BREVETE imprint.

 

My Turbo has exactly the same imprint at the end of the Barrel:

 

DRGM BR PAT BREVETE

 

which stands for:

 

DRGM = „Deutsche Reichs-Gebrauchsmuster“ means patented in german, (between 1891-1945)

BR = ?

PAT = patented (engl.)

BREVETE = patented (french)

 

C.

[Otter1]

Yup, my turbino has the same writing: DRGM BR PAT BREVETE.

 

And you asked for a nib shot--mine is pretty much a standard matador nib--perhaps they only put location info on them when they weren't made in Germany?

 

MATADOR

(M)

1st QUAL

14C - 585

 

 

 

 

 

[Azuniga]

  On 1/25/2018 at 9:29 AM, christof said:

 

My Turbo has exactly the same imprint at the end of the Barrel:

 

DRGM BR PAT BREVETE

 

which stands for:

 

DRGM = „Deutsche Reichs-Gebrauchsmuster“ means patented in german, (between 1891-1945)

BR = ?

PAT = patented (engl.)

BREVETE = patented (french)

 

C.

Most probably the BR correspond to Britain since PAT is more general

[Azuniga]

  On 1/25/2018 at 2:58 PM, Otter1 said:

Yup, my turbino has the same writing: DRGM BR PAT BREVETE.

 

And you asked for a nib shot--mine is pretty much a standard matador nib--perhaps they only put location info on them when they weren't made in Germany?

 

MATADOR

(M)

1st QUAL

14C - 585

 

 

 

 

 

 

Normally the nibs made by A. Morton that Matador also used (more commonly in their Safeties) when they were not putting their name, they wrote New York, but I have also seen A. Morton nibs printed only "1st Qual 14 C 585" or "1st Quality 14Car 585" and if made in Germany, as far as I know, it is written 14 K