Noodler's Switch To Plastic Bottles

[Charles Rice]

 

 

Noodler's Inks are non-miscible mixtures of solids and liquids.

 

Other inks are almost entirely water with a just a trace of dye to tint the water.

That is important to know!

[Charles Rice]

 

Again by weight.

 

If you can find powder bottles that will accommodate the larger weights AND they are made in the USA AND they cost the same or less than these bottles, that would be of interest.

Did I say it wasn't? All I said was that his 16oz inks were in pint bottles.

[AndyYNWA]

 

Other inks are almost entirely water with a just a trace of dye to tint the water.

This sounds like BS!

Why should the ink from Noodler's be so much different from other manufacturers?

Also, some manufacturers have pigmented inks, that to me isn't just water.

[tfwall]

This sounds like BS!

Why should the ink from Noodler's be so much different from other manufacturers?

Also, some manufacturers have pigmented inks, that to me isn't just water.

 

I can't speak for other manufacturers. Statutory regulations vary around the world.

 

In the USA, if you are selling a semi-solid or a non-miscible mixture of solids and liquids, then the correct unit of measure is weight.

 

In the USA, if you are selling a low viscosity liquid, then the correct unit of measure is volume.

[AndyYNWA]

And where goes the limit?

What is a low viscosity liquid and what is a non-miscible mixture?

[El Gordo]

 

I can't speak for other manufacturers. Statutory regulations vary around the world.

 

In the USA, if you are selling a semi-solid or a non-miscible mixture of solids and liquids, then the correct unit of measure is weight.

 

In the USA, if you are selling a low viscosity liquid, then the correct unit of measure is volume.

 

Gosh, and they think Europeans make it difficult ...

And that while in fact all customary US units are already referenced in metric units, US law, since 1886 or something around : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units#Units_of_capacity_and_volume

and the earlier mentioned link

And check the links therein, Mendenhall Order, Metric Conversion Act of 1975, read the stories around them, really entertaining for non-US people (guess actually the same for the US). Read and then take one step back and look at the maps above. And ask yourself what benefit do we really have by living on an island.

 

BTW if Noodler's inks are mixtures of solids and liquids, I have seriously to reconsider their use in my fountain pens, can you elaborate some more on the types?

 

BTW2 : if the EU insist in having a volume on teh containers it is in the benefit of the end users to prevent that companies sell less than they claim. Again, if you mention a certain volume and certain weight and a different density it is not compliant with any indication on the bottle.

 

And to bring it back on topic: I prefer to pay a fair price for a good product, being quality and quantity. If I buy 3 fl. oz., I want to get 3 fl. oz., or 60 ml or whatever. Not more, not less within the variations allowed by the law and from sources that I can trust to follow these. If a seller wants to put in more for the same (how would I know?) price? Fine, but that is marketing, not capitalism, socialism, or patriotic or whatever in my opinion. And it does not matter whether it is in plastic or glass all other element being the same.

[TSherbs]

 

 

Noodler's Inks are non-miscible mixtures of solids and liquids.

 

Other inks are almost entirely water with a just a trace of dye to tint the water.

I have miscibled Noodler's inks on several occasions. And the sludge that I have found in some other old bottles of ink seems to represent more than "just a trace" of solids in some other brands. Do you work for Noodler's? This post seems to be casting aspersions more than it is stating anything about actual measurements and ratios.

[TSherbs]

And where goes the limit?

What is a low viscosity liquid and what is a non-miscible mixture?

Hamlet's answer: "Words, words."

[AndyYNWA]

 

Gosh, and they think Europeans make it difficult ...

And that while in fact all customary US units are already referenced in metric units, US law, since 1886 or something around : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_customary_units#Units_of_capacity_and_volume

and the earlier mentioned link

And check the links therein, Mendenhall Order, Metric Conversion Act of 1975, read the stories around them, really entertaining for non-US people (guess actually the same for the US). Read and then take one step back and look at the maps above. And ask yourself what benefit do we really have by living on an island.

 

BTW if Noodler's inks are mixtures of solids and liquids, I have seriously to reconsider their use in my fountain pens, can you elaborate some more on the types?

 

BTW2 : if the EU insist in having a volume on teh containers it is in the benefit of the end users to prevent that companies sell less than they claim. Again, if you mention a certain volume and certain weight and a different density it is not compliant with any indication on the bottle.

 

And to bring it back on topic: I prefer to pay a fair price for a good product, being quality and quantity. If I buy 3 fl. oz., I want to get 3 fl. oz., or 60 ml or whatever. Not more, not less within the variations allowed by the law and from sources that I can trust to follow these. If a seller wants to put in more for the same (how would I know?) price? Fine, but that is marketing, not capitalism, socialism, or patriotic or whatever in my opinion. And it does not matter whether it is in plastic or glass all other element being the same.

+1

[LindaM]

It's simple - if you don't like the new bottle, don't buy it. How did the fact that glass bottles became more expensive turn into all this?

 

In addition, how does all the criticism of the US measurements system fit under category B of the forum rules that says "no country bashing"?

 

Seriously - we can use whatever units of measurements we want to use. It's not anyone else's choice to make. And don't try to brush it off with "it's just a joke". There was a thread some while back that was based on the original poster's question of wanting to know why Americans don't use somewhat archaic English words for things, rather than use words that are the norms in American English, and asked in a way that implied that it was unreasonable for us to talk like ourselves. The whole thread was deleted after one poster made an atrocious reference to people in the US. There's been several threads with subtler slams as well. It's getting rather old. How about we talk about ink instead?

[Sailor Kenshin]

It's simple - if you don't like the new bottle, don't buy it. How did the fact that glass bottles became more expensive turn into all this?

 

In addition, how does all the criticism of the US measurements system fit under category B of the forum rules that says "no country bashing"?

 

Seriously - we can use whatever units of measurements we want to use. It's not anyone else's choice to make. And don't try to brush it off with "it's just a joke". There was a thread some while back that was based on the original poster's question of wanting to know why Americans don't use somewhat archaic English words for things, rather than use words that are the norms in American English, and asked in a way that implied that it was unreasonable for us to talk like ourselves. The whole thread was deleted after one poster made an atrocious reference to people in the US. There's been several threads with subtler slams as well. It's getting rather old. How about we talk about ink instead?

 

Yessssss!

[jmccarty3]

Do you work for Noodler's?

 

The light dawns.

[blINK]

Do you work for Noodler's?

Chemyst IS Noodler's.

 

I've always respected Mr. Tardif (One F) and his business model, but I respect him even more for not outing himself and putting the haters in their place. But than again I'm a bloody Yank born and raised in Massachusetts and if I can support another Bay-Stater, I always will.

[TSherbs]

Chemyst IS Noodler's. ....

Meaning, the poster is the owner?

[blINK]

Meaning, the poster is the owner?

I'm not going to disclose any information that the poster has not disclosed themselves. But if you do a little research, you may find your answer.

[TSherbs]

It's simple - if you don't like the new bottle, don't buy it. How did the fact that glass bottles became more expensive turn into all this?

.....

Actually, the taking care of our local environments and of the earth more globally is more complicated than this. But, yes, the first degree of impact is the choice of what one spends one's money on.

 

Secondly, just as your post continued on to other matters, so did some of the posts from others. It's a slippery slope across the keyboards!

[TSherbs]

I'm not going to disclose any information that the poster has not disclosed themselves. But if you do a little research, you may find your answer.

Good point. And it doesn't really matter, but thanks.

[haruka337]

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The ink bottle is simply a convenient receptacle to get the ink home in. It is totally divorced from the writing experience and there are many acceptable alternatives made in the USA. Keeping a specific bottle isn't important. Giving customers the same ink at the same price is the important issue.

Yes and no.

 

I agree that bottles should not denote quality or what experience one will have when the ink is in use, but the bottle is a part of a larger experience that IS the fountain pen hobby. The tactile feel of it in hand, the visual beauty of an ink display--for many, this is a valued part of this pursuit.

 

Giving customers the same ink in the same ounce amount at the same price is important, but like it or not, the bottle is imperative to many customers. It's a matter of marketing and what will most appeal to the consumer; where I stand, the opaque platic bottle will turn-off casual users of this ink and, potentially, new users.

 

From what I understnd, this is but a temporary solution, the plastic bottle. This is just a passing matter, but marketing is not. Though, we'll see the ink back in glass bottles soon enough.

[haruka337]

It's simple - if you don't like the new bottle, don't buy it. How did the fact that glass bottles became more expensive turn into all this?

 

In addition, how does all the criticism of the US measurements system fit under category B of the forum rules that says "no country bashing"?

 

Seriously - we can use whatever units of measurements we want to use. It's not anyone else's choice to make. And don't try to brush it off with "it's just a joke". There was a thread some while back that was based on the original poster's question of wanting to know why Americans don't use somewhat archaic English words for things, rather than use words that are the norms in American English, and asked in a way that implied that it was unreasonable for us to talk like ourselves. The whole thread was deleted after one poster made an atrocious reference to people in the US. There's been several threads with subtler slams as well. It's getting rather old. How about we talk about ink instead?

+1

 

The subtle country bashing is getting old. So we don't use the metric system, get over it and keep it pleasent.

[dcwaites]

My pills are given to me in pill cups graduated in drams, and Australia is supposed to be a metric country. How confusing is that? I reckon that one pill is one eighth of a dram.

 

Anyway, this discussion started off about glass vs plastic. I think we have done that to death. Can we move the weights and measures discussion to a different topic, please?

 

BTW, anyone who wants a wee dram of whiskey is not getting very much at all.