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Hi everyone,

 

I posted a similar message in the FPS#9 thread, but thought I should speak up here also. I wanted to say THANK YOU to amberleadavis, dcwaites and everyone else who contributed to this effort. I was so intrigued by these threads that I just ordered the ink components to mix up both FPS#9 and NIS. I've never tried mixing inks before so this will be a new experience. I truly appreciate everyone's contributions and the spirit of cooperative information sharing on this forum. Thanks again.

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BK - we would love to see your results. I have found that these sorts of mix and matches are a lot of fun. Originally, I thought this would be a great chance to show how all sorts of blues compared to a single well known ink. The project morphed, in part because PPS is itself quite different depending on paper and pen. I think you will have lots of fun playing around.

 

My personal recommendation for a blue that is a decent replacement, fairly easy to clean and easily findable is Private Reserve American Blue. Of course, even though I say that, I tend to use obnoxiously oversaturated not easy to clean inks.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

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I, on the other hand, like inks that can be diluted with ridiculous amounts of water and still look spiffingly intense.

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  On 3/29/2017 at 11:53 PM, dcwaites said:

I, on the other hand, like inks that can be diluted with ridiculous amounts of water and still look spiffingly intense.

Should i assume that whenever diluting ink is mentioned it's best to use distilled water?

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Not necessarily. I like distilled water because I wouldn't drink the local tap work, let alone add it to my ink. The Las Vegas water has a lot of minerals and pesticides and probably some nuclear waste, but it meets all state and federal guidelines. I have found that Purified water and distilled water are the easiest for adding to my inks. Spring water or bottled water has no federal guidelines and the bottling company may add magnesium potassium (which your ink does not need. HOWEVER, when I'm testing a new ink concentrate, I always start by adding tap water. I want to know if the ink is going to withstand mold. I've also been known to boil the water because the dyes mix easier.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

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  On 9/7/2017 at 6:53 PM, amberleadavis said:

Not necessarily. I like distilled water because I wouldn't drink the local tap work, let alone add it to my ink. The Las Vegas water has a lot of minerals and pesticides and probably some nuclear waste, but it meets all state and federal guidelines. I have found that Purified water and distilled water are the easiest for adding to my inks. Spring water or bottled water has no federal guidelines and the bottling company may add magnesium potassium (which your ink does not need. HOWEVER, when I'm testing a new ink concentrate, I always start by adding tap water. I want to know if the ink is going to withstand mold. I've also been known to boil the water because the dyes mix easier.

Thank-you Amber Lea,

 

That was exactly what i needed to know about water for diluting ink. If you use Vegas tap water does it give your ink a flourescent green shimmering glow? ;-)

 

Appreciated your heads up about the tap water there as i can caution my son's wife to get distilled or purified instead when she is there on business.

 

If i may trouble you regarding an issue i have been having on FPN? The last two days i can no longer attach pictures from my iPad to posts like this. A pink error bar saying, "Upload Failed" always appears right afterwards. Is there a maximum total capacity accumulated file sizes i may now have reached?

 

Sincere gratitude,

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Glad to help. :) When your DIL comes on business, have her drop by with some pens and we can ink 'em up!

 

I also reported the uploading issue.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 9/8/2017 at 11:09 PM, amberleadavis said:

Glad to help. :) When your DIL comes on business, have her drop by with some pens and we can ink 'em up!

 

I also reported the uploading issue.

Thank-you for your generous offer to my DIL. Recently i gave her a Jinhao 992 (nice copy of a Sailor Pro Color 500) with a beautifully smooth F steel nib. Waiting for feedback from her to learn if i got her "hooked" ;-)

 

I gave my son a couple of nice Chinese pens about ten years ago. Since then he has added several more including a charcoal Lamy Safari, an original NOS black and gold Parker 45 and a very nice Pelikan. We are looking forward to attending the Toronto Scriptus pen show together at the end of October. I guess that makes me an enabler LOL.

 

Appreciate you reporting my image uploading problem too.

 

All the best,

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Speaking of water that glows in the dark, when I lived in Los Alamos, there was a headline in the Monitor about the water, "Arsenic- How Much Is Too Much?" It was probably the least of the water problems.

 

I now dilute with Lake Michigan tap water, and think I should switch to distilled.

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@InkRoyable

 

The problem seems to be that ipads/iphones want you to use the mobile version of the website. Which means that you can't use the standard links, only the attachment feature. The attachments have limited space the uploads are unlimited. Hopefully the next version of the forum software will address the issue, but until then I can't fix it. I'm sorry.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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  On 9/11/2017 at 4:44 PM, amberleadavis said:

The problem seems to be that ipads/iphones want you to use the mobile version of the website. Which means that you can't use the standard links, only the attachment feature. The attachments have limited space the uploads are unlimited. Hopefully the next version of the forum software will address the issue, but until then I can't fix it. I'm sorry.

No problem Amber Lea,

I will try uploading from a laptop and see how that goes.

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  On 9/11/2017 at 4:44 PM, amberleadavis said:

@InkRoyable

The problem seems to be that ipads/iphones want you to use the mobile version of the website. Which means that you can't use the standard links, only the attachment feature. The attachments have limited space the uploads are unlimited.

I was able to upload images without any problem from our laptop. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

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Glad to hear you got the problem solved!

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

Create a Ghostly Avatar and I'll send you a letter. Check out some Ink comparisons: The Great PPS Comparison 

Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Getting back to the Penman Sapphire topic I thought you might be interested in seeing the original instruction sheet and box:

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  On 2/16/2022 at 2:41 AM, OCArt said:

Getting back to the Penman Sapphire topic I thought you might be interested in seeing the original instruction sheet and box:

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That is DARN cool.

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Is this comparison still active? I'm going to be getting myself a bottle of Scribe Indigo soon and would like to contribute :)

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Wow! thanks for bringing it back! Look forward to your contribution.

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  On 8/9/2022 at 7:12 PM, MissCellany said:

Is this comparison still active? I'm going to be getting myself a bottle of Scribe Indigo soon and would like to contribute :)

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I haven't inked up a pen with PPS in a long time.  Next time I get around to it, I'll try and send you a few sheets for you to do some comparisons.

Fountain pens are my preferred COLOR DELIVERY SYSTEM (in part because crayons melt in Las Vegas).

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Don't know where to start?  Look at the Inky Topics O'day.  Then, see inks sorted by color: Blue Purple Brown Red Green Dark Green Orange Black Pinks Yellows Blue-Blacks Grey/Gray UVInks Turquoise/Teal MURKY

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm posting my work in this area as I've just returned to FPN after a number of years. The blue I used exclusively in my modern Duofolds up until about a year ago was Penman Sapphire as that's what I bought when I bought my first modern Duofold in the mid-1990s. When the ink was discontinued, I bought everything I could find locally. Then about a year ago I was about to run out. So my quest continued to find a replacement.

 

I compared a lot of ink colors online, which can be fraught with peril as electronic color replication has a lot of variables. But with that as a caveat, I ended up with these five finalists:

 

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None of these were quite right, which may be hard seeing in the photo above because of the electronic color duplication thing. The reason that Private Reserve American Blue and Private Reserve DC Supershow Blue were included is because they're the same ink! I didn't realize that at the time but since came to learn that. Anyway, so I needed to experiment with blending to see if I could come up with a match.

 

In the end, I found a match. The winner is 50% Monteverde Horizon Blue blended with 50% Monteverde Sapphire. As I recall, the Sapphire by itself has too much red in it, taking it more into the purple hue area. This got balanced out well with the Horizon Blue. See below.

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Now I've just come to learn about the Scribe inks. I should have a bottle of Scribe Indigo within the next day or two and will compare it to the Monteverde blend to see how it compares.  More to come....

 

 

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Thanks for the report, that is an interesting and feasible ink combination, and if it matches PSP, it is a great find.

 

I suppose it will also be better behaved?

If you are to be ephemeral, leave a good scent.

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      is there a guy who we can message to find a part for us with a given timelimit if so please let me know his name!
    • virtuoso 16 Aug 15:15
      what happene to the new Shaeffer inks?
    • Scribs 14 Aug 17:09
      fatehbajwa, in Writing Instruments, "Fountain Pens + Dip Pens First Stop" ?
    • fatehbajwa 14 Aug 12:17
      Back to FPN after 14 years. First thing I noticed is that I could not see a FS forum. What has changed? 🤔
    • Kika 5 Aug 10:22
      Are there any fountain pen collectors in Qatar?
    • T.D. Rabbit 31 July 18:58
      Ahh okay, thanks!
    • Scribs 29 July 18:51
      @ TDRabbit, even better would be in Creative Expressions area, subform The Write Stuff
    • T.D. Rabbit 29 July 11:40
      Okay, thanks!
    • JungleJim 29 July 0:46
      @T.D. Rabbit Try posting it in the "Chatter Forum". You have to be logged in to see it.
    • T.D. Rabbit 28 July 17:54
      Hello! Is there a thread anywhere 'round here where one can post self-composed poetry? If not, would it be alright if I made one? I searched on google, but to no avail...
    • OldFatDog 26 July 19:41
      I have several Parker Roller Ball & Fiber Tip refills in the original packaging. Where and how do I sell them? The couple that I've opened the ink still flowed when put to paper. Also if a pen would take the foller ball refill then it should take the fiber tip as well? Anyway it's been awhile and I'm want to take my message collection beyond the few pieces that I have... Meaning I don't have a Parker these refills will fit in 🙄
    • RegDiggins 23 July 12:40
      Recently was lucky enough to buy a pristine example of the CF crocodile ball with the gold plating. Then of course I faced the same problem we all have over the years ,of trying to find e refill. Fortunately I discovered one here in the U.K. I wonder if there are other sources which exist in other countries, by the way they were not cheap pen
    • The_Beginner 20 July 20:35
      Hows it going guys i have a code from pen chalet that i wont use for 10% off and it ends aug 31st RC10AUG its 10% off have at it fellas
    • T.D. Rabbit 19 July 9:33
      Somewhat confusing and off-putting ones, as said to me by my very honest friends. I don't have an X account though :<
    • piano 19 July 8:41
      @The Devil Rabbit what kind of? Let’s go to X (twitter) with #inkdoodle #inkdoodleFP
    • Mort639 17 July 1:03
      I have a Conway Stewart Trafalgar set. It was previously owned by actor Russell Crowe and includes a letter from him. Can anyone help me with assessing its value?
    • Sailor Kenshin 15 July 17:41
      There must be a couple of places here to share artworks.
    • T.D. Rabbit 15 July 12:45
      Hullo! I really like making ink doodles, and I'd like to share a few. Anywhere on the site I can do so? Thanks in advance!
    • Sailor Kenshin 6 July 17:58
      Pay It Forward.
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