Midnights 'n' Manhattan

[Viseguy]

QUOTE (Latro21 @ Apr 11 2007, 03:31 AM)

the noodlers manhattan blue just made my list based on this. i was very surprised you said it dried fast with no smearing, as i have problems with slow drying and smearing with golden brown and bulletproof black on most paper.

A lot depends on the paper, as well as on how wet your pens write. Mine tend to be wet writers, but I write mostly on cheap (read: absorbent) paper. Better papers are often "sized" to slow down absorption and thus reduce feathering. The drying time of a saturated ink, such as Noodler's, will be slower on those papers.

[Viseguy]

QUOTE (DavidB @ Apr 11 2007, 05:23 AM)

Viseguy, as near as I can tell, black Sharpie is permanent on paper.  What kind did you use last year that the ink bled off?  Sharpie does partly dissolve with alcohol exposure, especially on plastics / metals.  Plastics can absorb some of the ink and permanently stain underneath the writing, but paper should be pretty much untouchable.

As best I can remember, it was a blue "ultra fine point". I used it to do the NY Times crossword, then soaked it. (Take that, Will Shortz!) The writing was still legible, but it ran profusely, as I recall. This was a black "ultra fine point" and, as you can see, it was rock solid.

[Latro21]

QUOTE (Viseguy @ Apr 11 2007, 05:06 PM)

QUOTE (Latro21 @ Apr 11 2007, 03:31 AM) the noodlers manhattan blue just made my list based on this. i was very surprised you said it dried fast with no smearing, as i have problems with slow drying and smearing with golden brown and bulletproof black on most paper. A lot depends on the paper, as well as on how wet your pens write. Mine tend to be wet writers, but I write mostly on cheap (read: absorbent) paper. Better papers are often "sized" to slow down absorption and thus reduce feathering. The drying time of a saturated ink, such as Noodler's, will be slower on those papers. i know.   i do 99% of my writing on moleskine paper, which noodlers just doesnt get along with for a lefty whether its a dry or wet pen. black n red doesnt work so great for me either with the noodlers, and i wind up leaving little ink prints across the paper as i write even after waiting over a minute for it to dry.   luckily though, on ampad gold fibre 20lb pads, the paper sucks the ink up very nicely without feathering and i can write without worry at full speed. wetter pens will still smear for about 10 seconds with noodlers though on this paper.   on a cheap BASIC brand notebook, i can use the noodlers from my fine "21" that writes just a tad on the dry side [its about optimum flow for me] with no problems at all. the ink dries almost instantly. with a wetter writer, the black and golden brown dry fast enough to use, but still not as fast as namiki. the golden brown is slower to dry than the black in my experience.   this is why i love namiki ink so much-works great on all of the papers ive used it on, including moleskine.

Edited April 11, 2007 by Latro21

[davidmigl]

Viseguy, as near as I can tell, black Sharpie is permanent on paper. What kind did you use last year that the ink bled off? Sharpie does partly dissolve with alcohol exposure, especially on plastics / metals. Plastics can absorb some of the ink and permanently stain underneath the writing, but paper should be pretty much untouchable.

 

David B

 

Although we're getting OT, I think you would find this thread interesting - the sharpie does wash off the paper, though admittedly after being exposed to bleach and a night-long soak in alcohol!

Edited April 18, 2007 by davidmigl

[Viseguy]

Although we're getting OT, I think you would find this thread interesting - the sharpie does wash off the paper, though admittedly after being exposed to bleach and a night-long soak in alcohol!

I did see that, thanks. Very interesting! People who think that Sharpies are the be-all and end-all of permanency obviously aren't familiar with Noodler's bulletproof inks!