Allied Forces Germany - Framerica / De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 - Waterman Havana

[Morbus Curiositas]

Allied Forces Germany- Framerica / De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 - Waterman Havana

 

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/20150507_093138_zpsj83jzcub.jpg

 

You read the title and think.... What a silly pillock that Morbus Curiositas is There is no country named Framerica...

 

...Well you are partially right.... There isno country named Framerica ...

 

But Waterman was founded in America and is now produced in France

(l' Homme d'eau???) and is part of the American Newell Rubberdoll company...

 

Who cares..... Let's role!

 

De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 - Waterman

 

I did a review of De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 yesterday and had a déjà vu...

 

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/colour%20comp%20fpn_zps6ygn81yv.jpg

 

Well don't know but I see similarities... But maybe I need new glasses or even worse I need to see a neurologist because I have a loose contact (er eh a new one ) that interferes my cognition....

 

Maybe you could help here.... will insert some side to side comparisons here and leave the judgment upto you....In the end you may decide...

 

 

Blow my nose with ink comparison

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20blow%20my%20nose%20comparrison_zpsgwm9stkq.jpg

Ink Vomitus comparison

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20vomit%20comparison_zpsg1qlvgiq.jpg

Both inks have a red brown volour. In daylight the Wilhelm 2 has a bit more (wine?) red and Havana tends to a rust brown, a bit darker than ordinary iron rust though.

 

But that is in larger "surfaces" like above.... How is that in written text....

 

Let's see

 

 

Handwritten text comparisons

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20handwritten%20text%20comparison_zpsvbgsch0f.jpg

 

Left is Wilhelm 2 and right is Havana both text were taken from the succesive reviews

 

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20samplertext%20comparison_zpsr3ry3q1p.jpg

 

This is a close up from the Havana sampler form (see down here)

 

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20sampler%20comparison_zpsjb1cqte4.jpg

 

 

 

Ink Behaviour

 

Both inks are smooth. Both inks are wet but the Wilhelm 2 is wetter... De Atramentis inks usually are. Both inks dry quickly and the De Atramentis ink even faster.

 

Both inks only show little shading but this is compensated by the high sauration resultign in rich and deep colours.

Feathering is absent in both inks... the De Atramentis shows just a very little more showthrough but in both case this isn't an issue

 

the reason For more showthrough might be this:

 

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20Cousteau%20comparison_zpsba51mtcw.jpg

 

After half an hour underwater.

 

The De Atramentis ink lost it's colour but the text is still legible....

The Waterman ink dissapeared quicker than your saving after the 2008 Bank crisis....

 

That might be the reason why the Wilhelm 2 shows a very little more showthrough....

 

This in my opinion does not make the Waterman less, good remember both inks were not designed to be waterproof.

 

The Wilhelm 2 is therefore maybe even more suited for use at work...

 

 

Ink sampler comparison

http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a617/Morbus_Curiositas/Waterman%20Havana/Havana%20WH2%20sampler%20comparison_zpsjb1cqte4.jpg

 

 

 

 

Availability Waterman Havana

This is one of those inks that is even available on the moon, simply hijack a passing space craft.... But since you and I most probably will not get to the moon that often at least I don't)...

I will give you some adresses here

La Couronne Du Comte I guess Dennis and Rik would even travel to the moon to get it for you (just pay them a million or 2 ) Well it is safe to say that they do almost everything to satisfy their customers http://www.lacouronneducomte

Bankers have Rothshild Ink lovers have the Goulet Pen Compan. Rachel and Brian carry the ALMOST largest soritment of ink on earth an it's near surroundings http://www.gouletpens.com

(almost Dear Amberlea Davis carries the largest assortiment in the universe but is not a seller

Availability De Atramentis Wilhelm 2

Here is a link to the corresponding page on the De Atramentis website http://www.de-atrame...ntain-pens--28/

La Couronne du Comte http://www.lacouronneducomte.nl is always keen on satisfying their customers. If interested in the ink you can sen an e-mail to Rik or Dennis athttp://info@lacouronneducomte.nl

Too Conclude

Well should is I see the optician or just the neurologist?

Both inks have a lovely warm and deep rich red brown colour. Wilhelm 2 is a tad more red and Havana a little more brownish.....

In written test this difference is minimum though... Since they both behave well and I the colours which are descent enough for everyday use but stil distinctive and elegant...

Regards

Peter

De Atramentis Wilhelm 2 extensive review

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/290183-de-atramentis-clark-wilhelm-2-my-favourite-ink-maker-and-my-favourite-history-teacher-in-one-review/

Waterman Havana extensive review

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/290245-waterman-havana/

Edited May 7, 2015 by Morbus Curiositas

[AAAndrew]

Nice review. Thanks for sharing!

 

I guess we shouldn't be so surprised that some inks look practically identical. The human eye can only distinguish just so many colors.

 

I encountered this recently with to inks that are similar in color: Sailor Jentle Grenade (no longer made), and Noodlers Galileo Manuscript brown. These are also both reddish brown inks (more red than the two you looked at), and when I wrote with them I could not tell the difference. They are so extremely similar in shade, but not in behavior. (Sailor has better shading)

 

Thanks again!

[jmccarty3]

For some reason, I like my browns without red, although these two inks are beautiful colors, and any review from Morbus is a most entertaining read. I will stick with the Bung Box Espresso that I got from Vanness this week.

[amberleadavis]

Thank you, Peter, for the shout out.

 

I've tried Havana Brown, but not the De A ink. I am a fan of Dr. Jansen's inky work and have several of his inks. My favorite is Document ink Fuchsia.

[KaB]

Thanks Peter, really enjoyed your comparison

[Morbus Curiositas]

Thanks Peter, really enjoyed your comparison

Graag gedaan KAB :-)

[Morbus Curiositas]

Nice review. Thanks for sharing!

 

I guess we shouldn't be so surprised that some inks look practically identical. The human eye can only distinguish just so many colors.

 

I encountered this recently with to inks that are similar in color: Sailor Jentle Grenade (no longer made), and Noodlers Galileo Manuscript brown. These are also both reddish brown inks (more red than the two you looked at), and when I wrote with them I could not tell the difference. They are so extremely similar in shade, but not in behavior. (Sailor has better shading)

 

Thanks again!

Sorry a bit late was in Holland.... Lovely photos on flickr... and still the human eye is more advanced than any camera

[Morbus Curiositas]

Thank you, Peter, for the shout out.

 

I've tried Havana Brown, but not the De A ink. I am a fan of Dr. Jansen's inky work and have several of his inks. My favorite is Document ink Fuchsia.

Send you a sample....btw dr J will send you those pinks have toask what shipping costs

[Morbus Curiositas]

For some reason, I like my browns without red, although these two inks are beautiful colors, and any review from Morbus is a most entertaining read. I will stick with the Bung Box Espresso that I got from Vanness this week.

 

Thanks for the compliment :-)

 

Bung box espresso... me curious :-)

[Diderot]

Nice review/comparisons.

Thank you.

[Frank C]

For some reason, I like my browns without red, although these two inks are beautiful colors, and any review from Morbus is a most entertaining read. I will stick with the Bung Box Espresso that I got from Vanness this week.

 

I couldn't really discern much difference between the inks; I guess they are interchangeable. I like the Bung Box Espresso. It is a very dark brown.

 

Thanks for the review. I also found it to be entertaining.

[Morbus Curiositas]

I couldn't really discern much difference between the inks; I guess they are interchangeable. I like the Bung Box Espresso. It is a very dark brown.

 

Thanks for the review. I also found it to be entertaining.

 

Dear Frank,

 

could you maybe post a writig sample of that Espresso?

[Frank C]

Dear Frank,

 

could you maybe post a writig sample of that Espresso?

 

Guess what? I did even better. I relinquished my bottles of Espresso, 4B, Nostalgia Brown, and Melancholy Grey to Amberlea. She already had Tears of a Clown, a very pleasant Ruby. Little vials of each are on their way to you, even as we write. I anxiously await your interesting and entertaining reviews!

 

If I get my scanner hooked up, I will post a picture. But you set the standard too high for me to review anything. I did write a little in my ink journal last night with Espresso in a TWSBI 580 Broad nib. It was barely distinguishable from Pelikan Black or Pilot Black from that wet writer. Cult Pens Deep Dark Brown is very dark brown, but I could still discern some brown. The Espresso looks pretty black.

[Morbus Curiositas]

Guess what? I did even better. I relinquished my bottles of Espresso, 4B, Nostalgia Brown, and Melancholy Grey to Amberlea. She already had Tears of a Clown, a very pleasant Ruby. Little vials of each are on their way to you, even as we write. I anxiously await your interesting and entertaining reviews!

 

If I get my scanner hooked up, I will post a picture. But you set the standard too high for me to review anything. I did write a little in my ink journal last night with Espresso in a TWSBI 580 Broad nib. It was barely distinguishable from Pelikan Black or Pilot Black from that wet writer. Cult Pens Deep Dark Brown is very dark brown, but I could still discern some brown. The Espresso looks pretty black.

 

Cool Amberlea wrote me that she would samples of your inks to me Cant hardly wait