Iroshizuku Nib Crawl Issue

[fountainpenlady]

I know those who love Pilot Iroshizuku bottled ink may not have this experience or it is so minor they don't care, but has anyone had nib crawl with this ink? I had Momiji,although I liked the color, I found on my Pelikan nibs, there was a lot of visible ink which remain, even after I wiped the nib clean of excess. The ink visible made nib the color of ink being used.

 

Sadly, my an awful mistake, I threw away almost the entire bottle of Momiji in getting ready to move. I am sort of heartbroken and not yet sure whether I am going to replace that particular hue. Recently, the same day I received my Pelikan M600, returned from a nibmeister, I also received a bottle of Tsutsuji. I think I may like the color a tad more than Momiji. Yet, once again, there is nib crawl. The ink, no matter how much I clean the nib, still appears. This may simply be the reaction of the ink to being in a Pelikan. I have not attempted to fill up a cartridge and with syringe fill this ink in one of my Lamys to see what happens. Just curious, has anyone who likes or loves this ink found it to be visible a lot on the nib after filling your pen? Does this bother you?

[Buzz_130]

I haven't had any problems with Iroshizuku inks in modern or vintage pens. The inks are among my favorite and have been extensively used in my Western and Japanese nibs, including a Pelikan M805. Iroshizuku Asa Gao is well on its way to becoming my "signature" ink, and I haven't run into any of the issues you've described above.

 

Buzz

[cleosmama]

I have not have this problem with Iroshizuku inks, but I have had it with the Noodler's Eel inks, and I have one pen that does not like Sailor inks. I have read a piece by Richard Binder who says that the problem with nib creep is basically a problem with the nib. See this: http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/care/inks.htm

 

Can you consult with your nibmeister, again? Have you tried something like the Pelikan inks, which I understand are reliably dry?

Edited January 26, 2015 by cleosmama

[ThePrecursor]

Every time I ink up my pen with an Iroshizuku (I have 3) what you mentioned happens. Definitely not a problem with my pen's nib considering this doesn't happen with other inks (Mont Blanc). This is probably because when I'm wiping ink off after refilling the nib and feed are saturated with ink. A few quick wipes and its almost all gone. My suggestion is to wipe lightly and quickly especially over the breather hole.

[Acer]

I too have experienced nib-creep with Pilot Iroshizuku inks in my Pelikan M800 pen (Medium nib). In my case I was using asa-gao, which I quite like, but due to nib-creep decided to try other inks. This particular M800 pen has only ever displayed this issue with the iroshizuku ink so I doubt the problem is with the pen. I believe it is the nature of the solvents & fluid properties of these inks (probably also provides some of the nice properties we like) that can lead to more nib-creep than some other inks.

 

Whilst nib-creep is not a big deal it also bothers me.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

[fountainpenlady]

I too have experienced nib-creep with Pilot Iroshizuku inks in my Pelikan M800 pen (Medium nib). In my case I was using asa-gao, which I quite like, but due to nib-creep decided to try other inks. This particular M800 pen has only ever displayed this issue with the iroshizuku ink so I doubt the problem is with the pen. I believe it is the nature of the solvents & fluid properties of these inks (probably also provides some of the nice properties we like) that can lead to more nib-creep than some other inks.

 

Whilst nib-creep is not a big deal it also bothers me.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

Thanks, with the Momiji, it was extensive and probably why I did not use it very often after purchase, though I loved its color. I am also using the Iroshizuku Tsutzuku in my M800, extra fine point nib. Also, an M600 with an Extra fine point nib. On the M800, the ink writes not as wet. Glad I am not the only one. Also, relieved I am not the only one who also ceased using a color, but decided to not abandon the inks all together, but try another color. I may still invest in at least a sample of Momiji from Gouletpencompany, only because I am an exclusive red ink lover.

[fountainpenlady]

Every time I ink up my pen with an Iroshizuku (I have 3) what you mentioned happens. Definitely not a problem with my pen's nib considering this doesn't happen with other inks (Mont Blanc). This is probably because when I'm wiping ink off after refilling the nib and feed are saturated with ink. A few quick wipes and its almost all gone. My suggestion is to wipe lightly and quickly especially over the breather hole.

Same here, I also have Mont Blanc and it does not happen, it is why I wondered whether it was the ink not agreeing initially with the pen. Of course, once you write with the pen, it flows beautifully. I am contemplating getting another, I am trying to decide what color next. I am going to do as you suggested.

[fountainpenlady]

I have not have this problem with Iroshizuku inks, but I have had it with the Noodler's Eel inks, and I have one pen that does not like Sailor inks. I have read a piece by Richard Binder who says that the problem with nib creep is basically a problem with the nib. See this: http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/care/inks.htm

 

Can you consult with your nibmeister, again? Have you tried something like the Pelikan inks, which I understand are reliably dry?

Thanks, it definitely address my question. Also, I have always wondered about using calligraphy ink and he answers that one also. Glad I did not ruin one of my beauties by using a pigmented ink because it looked good in the bottle.

[fountainpenlady]

I haven't had any problems with Iroshizuku inks in modern or vintage pens. The inks are among my favorite and have been extensively used in my Western and Japanese nibs, including a Pelikan M805. Iroshizuku Asa Gao is well on its way to becoming my "signature" ink, and I haven't run into any of the issues you've described above.

 

Buzz

I think other than the Momiji I liked, but not the crawl, loving Tsutsuku very much. It is probably going to be one of my only departures from red. I have been looking at the Fuyu-Gaki, Winter Persimmon, but, probably will get a sample first since it will not be a primary for me.

[jmccarty3]

I usually see some residual ink on the end of the nib after wiping it and expelling a drop or two to prime the feed. Doesn't bother me, and usually results in good starts with good saturation.

[fountainpenlady]

I usually see some residual ink on the end of the nib after wiping it and expelling a drop or two to prime the feed. Doesn't bother me, and usually results in good starts with good saturation.

I am thankful for the confirmation. I was not sure whether this was common and whether it bothered anyone. I write exclusively with Extra fine points. Somewhere, I have read the nib choice of extra fine effects both saturation and how color appears on the page. I do like the consistency. The colors are unique, if not a variation unique. I have read where people compare various shades to Diamine, but they don't say that definitively Diamine, which I know is cheaper in price is worth not at least acquiring one or more of the Iroshisuji inks. I have also just invested in not only one full bottle of it, but three smaller bottles and don't mind dealing with the nib crawl, if it is simply something which one tolerates and sacrifices to enjoys along with the ink. Now I can specifically designate a cloth to wipe off the nib when using this brand of ink. Thanks

[SeeksAdvice]

I don't yet own Momiji, but do have: Asa-Gao, Tsuki-Yo, Take-Sumi, Tsuyu-Kusa, Ama-Iro, and Kon-Peki. While they are all "wet" inks, only had any real issues with a couple of older pens: a Keene and a Waterman 412. Usually find them to be very well behaved. Have noticed though that some different colors may behave differently. My samples of Ku-Jaku and Syo-Ro were far less well behaved for me than the other blues I have.

I truly can't explain such bad behavior based on most of my experiences. Pelikan M400 (EF), M800 (F), M1000 (EF), Pelikan 140 x2 (EF), MB 146, Sailor Pro Gear Realo (EF), all handle the inks well. My Pilot VP(F) tends to have some nib drool with many inks. Of course, the pen has been abused a bit and has been used for multi-part forms.

[fountainpenlady]

I don't yet own Momiji, but do have: Asa-Gao, Tsuki-Yo, Take-Sumi, Tsuyu-Kusa, Ama-Iro, and Kon-Peki. While they are all "wet" inks, only had any real issues with a couple of older pens: a Keene and a Waterman 412. Usually find them to be very well behaved. Have noticed though that some different colors may behave differently. My samples of Ku-Jaku and Syo-Ro were far less well behaved for me than the other blues I have.

I truly can't explain such bad behavior based on most of my experiences. Pelikan M400 (EF), M800 (F), M1000 (EF), Pelikan 140 x2 (EF), MB 146, Sailor Pro Gear Realo (EF), all handle the inks well. My Pilot VP(F) tends to have some nib drool with many inks. Of course, the pen has been abused a bit and has been used for multi-part forms.

Momiji was awful with the crawl or drool. I kept having to wipe my nib, only because it felt unsightly. I was using it in a Pelikan M800, (EF), can't remember whether I ever used it in one of my Lamys, the nibs of them are black. I am now using Tsutsuji and find that it is the same issue with the crawl making the nib Azalea colored in my M600 (EF) nib. I guess if I like the ink line, I will have to get used to the fact it will be on my nib. It seems not to matter whether I wipe the nib immediately, as someone here suggested, or periodically while using the pen, the tip of the nib and about a little more than the nib are covered in the ink up to the blow hole. Wiping the nib, simply smears the ink worse.

[jmccarty3]

Your Pelikan's nib isn't loose, by any chance?

[fountainpenlady]

Your Pelikan's nib isn't loose, by any chance?

Just checked, no each nib seems tight.

[bone215]

Something that won't cost anything.

Let the ink sit open for a day or two and evaporate a bit. Maybe that will help?

Pour some in a vial so you don't wreck the entire bottle if my suggestion makes things worse!

Good Luck

ps, of the four Iro inks I have used, no nib creep experienced.

[fountainpenlady]

Something that won't cost anything.

Let the ink sit open for a day or two and evaporate a bit. Maybe that will help?

Pour some in a vial so you don't wreck the entire bottle if my suggestion makes things worse!

Good Luck

ps, of the four Iro inks I have used, no nib creep experienced.

I certainly will follow the suggestion. I have a couple of empty sample vials and can do that and see what happens. Thanks

[fountainpenlady]

Who would have guessed, an inexpensive item, a paper towel would clean my nib of ink crawl/drool. I can't believe it! I am amazed by how clean my nib can get when I wipe it immediately following filling the pen. Now, to stock up on paper towels.

[jasonchickerson]

I only own two Iro inks, Kiri-same and Shin-kai. I've never noticed nib creep with either but the Shin-kai warms in my pocket and sheds into my pen cap, dirtying the section (Lamy 2000). Annoying, but I'll put up with it. The ink is phenomenal in every other way.