Waterman Fountain Night And Day, How Does It Work?

[Katakana]

Hello dear members!

 

some years ago i found my great grandfathers pen

i was so thrilled, but i stashed it in a box, and put it aside, since i rarely use even a pen

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

but i was looking at my drawers last Monday and found it again.

 

the thing is that i do not know how it works?

is there any video that explains this?

 

please forgive my bad English

 

thank you!

G.

[Left FPN]

Does this help.

 

RIP OldGriz.

 

Sorry forgot to say...What a lovely pen

Edited January 16, 2015 by Force

[Katakana]

thank you very much!

 

will take a look at this instructions and see if it will work

[AZBennett]

That may be the best looking pen I have ever seen! Wow! And the fact that its an heirloom is awesome!

[Katakana]

Thanks 😊

 

The point size is #5

 

i also learned that the pocket clip was like a trademark equiped from Hardtmuth company

which were the European dealers before WW I for Waterman company

 

Best

G.

[pajaro]

That is the most beautiful pen I have seen also. More attractive than the Montblanc Patrons of the Arts pens, with more attractive and more perfect bling.

[RMN]

Thanks

 

The point size is #5

 

i also learned that the pocket clip was like a trademark equiped from Hardtmuth company

which were the European dealers before WW I for Waterman company

 

Best

G.

 

Is that the same Hardmuth as from the Koh-i-Noor-Hardmuth pencils???

 

 

D.ick

[AZBennett]

 

Is that the same Hardmuth as from the Koh-i-Noor-Hardmuth pencils???

 

 

D.ick

 

After googling L & C Hardtmuth which is what's on the clip, that wo uld be an affirmative. Lots of history in that pen in more ways than one. Edited January 17, 2015 by AZBennett

[Left FPN]

I think they would have just manufactured the accomodation clips to fit on all sorts of writing instruments. I have a feeling this pen would have been clipless when sold new.

 

The answer may lie here,

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/51381-lc-hardtmuth-koh-i-noor/

 

and here, if you read in wording...penholders maybe.

 

http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/thetmr44&div=351&id=&page=

 

I also picked this up from a pdf document on pencil evolution,

 

1937 Koh-I-Noor Polycolor Leads 7/32" (converts to 5.6mm) diameter for Koh-i-noor #48 leadholder.[20] 5.6mm[19] The largest standard lead that will be found in an art supply store, there are 5.45mm and 5.5mm subvariants. Very useful for sketching, pencils in this diameter continue to have a market.[19]

 

If the lead was that diameter maybe the overall diameter, inc holder, required a clip....who knows.

 

View Caw's pen 68 here,

 

http://www.gopens.com/Old_Vintage_Pen_Catalogs/Cat47frames.php

Edited January 17, 2015 by Force

[Xof72000]

Very lovely and valuable pen !

Congrats !

[Katakana]

Thank you everyone!

I too believe that the clip was equipped from Hardtmuth company

Maybe it was charged?

Maybe as a gift?

But it is a useful feature

I remember I have seen some other pens with that clip

Also a picture of a similar waterman pen on the net that did not had that clip

 

Edit

The dimensions are

Total length closed 135mm

Thickness of the body 13mm

Thickness of the cap 14mm

 

G.

Edited January 17, 2015 by Katakana

[Left FPN]

This has just appeared on the bay

[RMN]

Seems Hardmuth was a full time Waterman dealer.

 

I wonder if he made the whole overlay.

 

Is the overlay hallmarked? (so not the clip)

 

 

D.ick

[Katakana]

the only Hardtmuth mark is on the clip if you mean that

 

 

G.

[RMN]

No, I mean: Is there a gold hallmark on the overlay. I would like to know if the hallmark was a Waterman hallmark, or a Hardmuth one, which would suggest the overlay was made entirely by Hardmuth, just as many wonderful overlays are Italian or French on a standard plain Waterman pen.

 

 

D.ick

[Katakana]

I believe all the marks you see are from waterman

 

At least this is the answer I got from another pen specialist

 

9 k gold from around 1920's

 

Thank you 😊

 

G

[Katakana]

Hello again my friends

 

Once again i need your opinioms

 

Anyone know the value of this pen?

 

Best