Small Stub Lovers Unite

[Betweenthelines]

http://i.imgur.com/qYbOqHo.jpg

[Cryptos]

I'm not sure how to measure these things. Is it the width of the nib or the width of the line? I am rather enjoying an Osmiroid medium italic that feels surprisingly smooth, but I think it lays about 0.8mm on the page. Dunno really. Not really a stub though. I do have an Italix fine CI, but I don't see a great deal of variation in the line and that is supposed to be about 0.65mm.

 

Love the Naka-ai

[Betweenthelines]

I'm not sure how to measure these things. Is it the width of the nib or the width of the line? I am rather enjoying an Osmiroid medium italic that feels surprisingly smooth, but I think it lays about 0.8mm on the page. Dunno really. Not really a stub though. I do have an Italix fine CI, but I don't see a great deal of variation in the line and that is supposed to be about 0.65mm.

 

Love the Naka-ai

 

 

You can measure it either way. Most folks measure it by nib tipping width. And then of course wetness level will create variation in the actual size of line it lays down. For example the above 0.6mm writes broader than a 0.6mm Parker 51 I own because of differing wetness. You can request the line width vs. tipping width when you're having a custom grind, though.

[TSherbs]

http://i.imgur.com/qYbOqHo.jpg

That's a beauty. Love the line width (much more like a medium with good variation)

[FeuBleu]

I would love to find a good fine stub! I have small handwriting and prefer a very fine line, but still hanker for variation. I'm planning on getting a Pilot Falcon from nibs.com and may ask them to make it a stub for me.

 

Is there anywhere else online that would reshape an existing nib if I sent some to them?

[AraQuestrain]

I know I am about a year late to this conversation but I thought maybe someone would see this picture and it would persuade them to try this wonderful yet cheap pen.

 

I am currently using a Pilot 78G and pretty much have fallen in love with it. I have it with the untouched gold broad italic stub nib (1.1mm supposedly). I love how clean and easily I can write in my naturally desired font. It was purchased on Amazon for 19.95 and no shipping. I am about to buy two more. The cartridge I should warn you is a pump action and does not hold a lot of ink. It will accept Pilot IC50 and IC100 cartridges. I love choosing my own inks so I stayed with the pump converter.

 

If you love the ascetics above the functionality, this pen has a cheap plastic body you may not care for.

 

I am using Noodler's Baystate Blue, I love the color of this ink but it doesn't take well to cheap paper and will feather alot.

 

I hope you enjoy the photo.

 

Edited July 25, 2016 by AraQuestrain

[Betweenthelines]

I know I am about a year late to this conversation but I thought maybe someone would see this picture and it would persuade them to try this wonderful yet cheap pen.

 

I am currently using a Pilot 78G and pretty much have fallen in love with it. I have it with the untouched gold broad italic stub nib (1.1mm supposedly). I love how clean and easily I can write in my naturally desired font. It was purchased on Amazon for 19.95 and no shipping. I am about to buy two more. The cartridge I should warn you is a pump action and does not hold a lot of ink. It will accept Pilot IC50 and IC100 cartridges. I love choosing my own inks so I stayed with the pump converter.

 

If you love the ascetics above the functionality, this pen has a cheap plastic body you may not care for.

 

I am using Noodler's Baystate Blue, I love the color of this ink but it doesn't take well to cheap paper and will feather alot.

 

I hope you enjoy the photo.

 

Awesome! Thanks for sharing (and reviving this thread ). Beautiful handwriting. I can't believe that's a 1.1.. Looks like half that (0.6 or so). But then again my Al star's 1.1 doesn't write nearly as broad as I expected. There seems to be a lot of variation with stubs measured via tipping.

 

Thanks for the suggestion for a cheap option and for showing what you can do with it.

 

Oh, and allow me to be the first to extend you a very warm welcome to the community!

Edited July 25, 2016 by Betweenthelines

[BMG]

As my nib tastes and requirements fall somewhere in the EEF to EF range, I have a lot of pens that write a very fine line. Wanting to introduce a bit of variety to arsenal, so to speak, and inspired by the above-posted XXXF and XXXXF Round and Italic Points thread, with its many great examples like the pic below:

 

http://www.ciar-roisin.net/photos/nibs/Graph_02.jpg

 

I decided to have a few of my EF nibs reground to stubs and cursive italics, which I duly posted to the also above-mentioned Stub O’ The Day thread. Since this thread is specifically geared toward the finer end of the stub / CI spectrum, I wanted to share my few examples here as well, thinking they might be of interest. Here they are:

 

A Pelikan “Café Crème” with a 14k two-tone M400 nib, as sold by nibs.com, the EF nib reground into an approx. .33 stub:

 

http://i.imgur.com/2x6QqZV.jpg

 

This nib turned out to be a bit too broad ( ! ) for me, and I have subsequently had it narrowed a bit.

 

An Omas Bologna Burkina, EF nib reground into a <.3 cursive italic by Yukio Nagahara:

 

http://i.imgur.com/I47cZex.jpg

 

A Montegrappa Miya, EF likewise reground by Yukio Nagahara into a .2ish cursive italic:

 

http://i.imgur.com/ENAgqBd.jpg

 

I also have a couple of Esterbrook fine stubs (they're actually both oblique as well), but both write too thick a line for me. I'm debating on whether I'll have these nibs reground as well (maybe just one... )

Edited July 25, 2016 by BMG

[Betweenthelines]

As my nib tastes and requirements fall somewhere in the EEF to EF range, I have a lot of pens that write a very fine line. Wanting to introduce a bit of variety to arsenal, so to speak, and inspired by the above-posted XXXF and XXXXF Round and Italic Points thread, with its many great examples like the pic below:

 

http://www.ciar-roisin.net/photos/nibs/Graph_02.jpg

 

I decided to have a few of my EF nibs reground to stubs and cursive italics, which I duly posted to the also above-mentioned Stub O The Day thread. Since this thread is specifically geared toward the finer end of the stub / CI spectrum, I wanted to share my few examples here as well, thinking they might be of interest. Here they are:

 

A Pelikan Café Crème with a 14k two-tone M400 nib, as sold by nibs.com, the EF nib reground into an approx. .33 stub:

 

http://i.imgur.com/2x6QqZV.jpg

 

This nib turned out to be a bit too broad ( ! ) for me, and I have subsequently had it narrowed a bit.

 

An Omas Bologna Burkina, EF nib reground into a >.3 cursive italic by Yukio Nagahara:

 

http://i.imgur.com/I47cZex.jpg

 

A Montegrappa Miya, EF likewise reground by Yukio Nagahara into a .2ish cursive italic:

 

http://i.imgur.com/ENAgqBd.jpg

 

I also have a couple of Esterbrook fine stubs (they're actually both oblique as well), but both write too thick a line for me. I'm debating on whether I'll have these nibs reground as well (maybe just one... )

Wow! 😮👍 And I thought I like em small! Great post thanks for sharing. I just have to ask.. A 0.2 CI!?!? How is that to write with? Sweet spot must be microscopic! Can you share more photos of the nib and line variation?

[tinta]

I have finally joined the small stub clan.

Till now my 0.6 mm. round-nose CI by Mr. Masuyama was the narrowest edged nib I used. I've now become extremely fond of a Kaweco 14K B nib that Pendleton brown turned into a fantastic "narrow" butter-line-stub. We didn't fiddle around with "millimeterages", but I'd wager this nib measures in the 0.5 mm to 0.6 mm range,...making it for me a very narrow nib indeed. It's just a very pleasant, forgiving B stub for every day writing. What's interesting, my fairly large hand writing has become smaller.

 

As I am looking at most of the other posts on this thread, a sample of writing seems to be required. Sorry, none to show yet....

For now, the nib.

 

Edited July 25, 2016 by tinta

[BMG]

Wow! 😮👍 And I thought I like em small! Great post thanks for sharing. I just have to ask.. A 0.2 CI!?!? How is that to write with? Sweet spot must be microscopic! Can you share more photos of the nib and line variation?

 

It is wonderful to write with and is not unduly scratchy or fiddly. Line variation is minimal, of course, but there and visible as you'll see in the pics below, even with my sloppy writing:

 

http://i.imgur.com/TTzcuyA.jpg

 

http://i.imgur.com/uj85Z1a.jpg

 

(Click for ginormous)

[AraQuestrain]

Awesome! Thanks for sharing (and reviving this thread ). Beautiful handwriting. I can't believe that's a 1.1.. Looks like half that (0.6 or so). But then again my Al star's 1.1 doesn't write nearly as broad as I expected. There seems to be a lot of variation with stubs measured via tipping.

 

Thanks for the suggestion for a cheap option and for showing what you can do with it.

 

Oh, and allow me to be the first to extend you a very warm welcome to the community!

Thank you very much for the kind greeting.

I have never had a pen ground before, is it costly and is it worth the effort?

[tinta]

I know I am about a year late to this conversation but I thought maybe someone would see this picture and it would persuade them to try this wonderful yet cheap pen.

 

I am currently using a Pilot 78G and pretty much have fallen in love with it. I have it with the untouched gold broad italic stub nib (1.1mm supposedly). I love how clean and easily I can write in my naturally desired font. It was purchased on Amazon for 19.95 and no shipping. I am about to buy two more. The cartridge I should warn you is a pump action and does not hold a lot of ink. It will accept Pilot IC50 and IC100 cartridges. I love choosing my own inks so I stayed with the pump converter.

 

If you love the ascetics above the functionality, this pen has a cheap plastic body you may not care for.

 

I am using Noodler's Baystate Blue, I love the color of this ink but it doesn't take well to cheap paper and will feather alot.

 

I hope you enjoy the photo.

 

That's a terrific little pen that doesn't cost a lot. I would agree with Betweenthelines that the stainless Pilot B nib writes much like a 0.6 stub.

Enjoy the ride here on FPN.

[Betweenthelines]

I have finally joined the small stub clan.

Till now my 0.6 mm. round-nose CI by Mr. Masuyama was the narrowest edged nib I used. I've now become extremely fond of a Kaweco 14K B nib that Pendleton brown turned into a fantastic "narrow" butter-line-stub. We didn't fiddle around with "millimeterages", but I'd wager this nib measures in the 0.5 mm to 0.6 mm range,...making it for me a very narrow nib indeed. It's just a very pleasant, forgiving B stub for every day writing. What's interesting, my fairly large hand writing has become smaller.

 

As I am looking at most of the other posts on this thread, a sample of writing seems to be required. Sorry, none to show yet....

For now, the nib.

Kaweco B (BLS)-1.jpg

That nib looks delicious! I really enjoy Pendleton's grinds. Sadly I sold all the pens I had with his nibs because I wasn't using them enough (was the pens I had them on that was the issue.) Maybe I'll grab another someday.

 

It is wonderful to write with and is not unduly scratchy or fiddly. Line variation is minimal, of course, but there and visible as you'll see in the pics below, even with my sloppy writing:

 

http://i.imgur.com/TTzcuyA.jpg

 

http://i.imgur.com/uj85Z1a.jpg

 

(Click for ginormous)

 

I'm impressed! Must be a talented 'meister. And what a gorgeous nib!

 

Thank you very much for the kind greeting.

I have never had a pen ground before, is it costly and is it worth the effort?

Usually $30-60 depending on the nibmeister. The biggest issue is wait time. Many have multiple month waiting lists. Always has been worth it for me though.

[BMG]

I'm impressed! Must be a talented 'meister. And what a gorgeous nib!

 

You can read about him here if you like.

[tinta]

 

You can read about him here if you like.

BMG, how do you reach Mr Nagahara to get your nibs done? Do you have connections with the Sailor company? Do you live in Japan, or close by? Were your nibs modified at a show?

[da vinci]

Excellent contributions, thanks to all

 

BMG your xf stubs and CI's show much more line variation than I would expect. And the OMAS! Wonderful!

[BMG]

BMG, how do you reach Mr Nagahara to get your nibs done? Do you have connections with the Sailor company? Do you live in Japan, or close by? Were your nibs modified at a show?

 

My nibs were modified at the L.A. pen show, which Mr Nagahara has attended the past couple of years. (I live in SoCal.) I have no connections with Sailor nor do I own a single Sailor pen (tho’ I have dreamed of getting a Sailor ebonite “King of Pens” on occasion... ). He has also done a pen clinic at Classic Fountain Pens (aka nibs.com) which I didn't know about and thus didn't attend, unfortunately.

 

BMG your xf stubs and CI's show much more line variation than I would expect. And the OMAS! Wonderful!

 

Thank you!

Edited July 27, 2016 by BMG

[Elandaria]

I'm so happy that this post exist!!!

[Nosferatualso]

Here's an embarrassing admission: I often Google phrases like "0.4 mm cursive italic" just to hunt for sample images from those who have had them ground. The Nemosine 0.6 mm is a little too broad for my writing and I have long been aware that the best option is a suitably-sized nib sent to a nibmeister. There are images of 0.3 mm crisp italics that have noticeable line variation, and I think HDoug has a CI from a fine Pilot #5, which is fairly narrow to start with.

 

One lady shows samples of several of her nibmeistered (yeah, not a word) fine italics here: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/32136-xxxf-and-xxxxf-round-and-italic-points/

 

Hope to join in on the fun soon.

I do this too. Glad I'm not alone

Edited February 13, 2017 by Nosferatualso