De Atramentis Document Cmyk Inks Mixing Experiment

[Limner]

I apologize for throwing some rain on the DA parade, but... I ordered the "CMYK" mixing set, and this is what I got:

 

Document Fuchsia is a bit off from true Magenta (towards Cyan), but not enough to be unusable; Document Yellow is spot-on true Yellow, but considerably less saturated than the other inks in the set; Document Black is a perfectly usable Black. But the Document Turquoise I received isn't close enough to true Cyan (it's towards the violet side of the spectrum) to mix true Greens. I emailed Dr. Jansen last week to find out if I could've possibly received a mislabeled bottle of Document Blue, or if there are extreme variations between batches of ink, but haven't received a reply from him.

 

I had really high hopes for these; so I'm rather disappointed at present.

 

[amberleadavis]

Thank you for the comparison.

[Limner]

Yeah, there's definitely some QC issues going on with these...the Yellow is so watery it takes an absurd amount to balance the other colors, and the greens are very muted.

(Edited to add writing samples; Esterbrook Penesco dip nib on Borden & Riley Bleedproof Paris paper. The Violet mix is well-behaved but the Green and Orange--mixed with the watery Yellow--are both blobby).

 

 

 

Edited January 4, 2015 by Linda Medley

[Miz Black Crow]

These threads are always just so very, very gorgeous. You make me wish I knew, well, anything, about home-mixing. <3

[Morbus Curiositas]

Yeah, there's definitely some QC issues going on with these...the Yellow is so watery it takes an absurd amount to balance the other colors, and the greens are very muted.

(Edited to add writing samples; Esterbrook Penesco dip nib on Borden & Riley Bleedproof Paris paper. The Violet mix is well-behaved but the Green and Orange--mixed with the watery Yellow--are both blobby).

 

Hi Linda,

 

Too bad to hear about the saturation of some inks.... I will talk to Dr J about this.... and let you Know....

 

In the mean while I reccomend you to contact Jane Blundell...

 

She is an artist who made a whole book of mixes wiht these inks

 

 

Regards,

 

Peter

[Limner]

Thanks, Peter, I'm familiar with Jane's mixes--there's some posted upthread--which is how I knew there was something wrong with the inks I received. My ratios are completely off from hers; it's almost as if we have two different sets of inks.

 

Thank you, also, for talking to Dr. Jansen about this.

 

(Edited to add: his Adular Blue is a true Cyan; if he had a Document version, it would be perfect).

Edited January 9, 2015 by Linda Medley

[Morbus Curiositas]

Thanks, Peter, I'm familiar with Jane's mixes--there's some posted upthread--which is how I knew there was something wrong with the inks I received. My ratios are completely off from hers; it's almost as if we have two different sets of inks.

 

Thank you, also, for talking to Dr. Jansen about this.

 

(Edited to add: his Adular Blue is a true Cyan; if he had a Document version, it would be perfect).

Hi Linda,

 

Sory for replying this late.

 

• Dr J Changed the recipe a little.
• Will ask Dr J to send a Bottle of CYAN
• Name has changed from Turquoise to CYAN (and Fuchsia in Magenta) for new bottles
• The colour is cyan several artist world wide receied the same batch I asked them about the colour and they confirmed that this colour was CYAN to them

Hop that the new (free)bottle arrive soon.

 

regards

 

 

Peter

[Intellidepth]

I thought there was an Australian supplier of the permanent CMYK set, and for the life of me tonight, I can't remember who it was or where I saw the link or if I googled it. I just looked through this thread again, but didn't catch it if it is there (been a long day).

 

So, is there an Aussie supplier of the CMYK permanent set, and do they also have the clear dilutant please? Thank you kindly.

[Morbus Curiositas]

I thought there was an Australian supplier of the permanent CMYK set, and for the life of me tonight, I can't remember who it was or where I saw the link or if I googled it. I just looked through this thread again, but didn't catch it if it is there (been a long day).

 

So, is there an Aussie supplier of the CMYK permanent set, and do they also have the clear dilutant please? Thank you kindly.

 

 

http://www.larrypost.com.au

 

And th excellent Artist Jane Blundell might be able to help you there... http://www.janeblundellart.com

 

Regards

 

Peter

[Intellidepth]

http://www.larrypost.com.au

 

And th excellent Artist Jane Blundell might be able to help you there... http://www.janeblundellart.com

 

Regards

 

Peter

Thank you very much

[Morbus Curiositas]

Thank you very much

Cool member title you have ....

 

Morbus Curitositas

Latin for Illnes (ie. Mb Parkinson) Latin for Curisity

 

 

Curiouser and curiouser is very nicei that perspective

[Bloo]

Hello,

I was wondering whether there was any update to Linda’s findings on the turquoise. My recent sample from Goulet appears to match her c70 m60 swab. The dry time and water resistance of the mixes that I’ve been able to test are perfect. Just wondering if the older true cyan is available anywhere.

Thanks,

Bloo

[Simulacrum]

 

Hello,

I was wondering whether there was any update to Linda’s findings on the turquoise. My recent sample from Goulet appears to match her c70 m60 swab. The dry time and water resistance of the mixes that I’ve been able to test are perfect. Just wondering if the older true cyan is available anywhere.

Thanks,

Bloo

 

Anyone know about this ? I am excited about this idea, but I keep reading mixed reviews about these inks and then recipes are changing etc.. Is all of this worked out yet ?