Sailor's Full Ink Lines Including Shop Exclusives Compiled In A Post?

[Cyber6]

I think they are 6 colors in total.

 

 

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[KKay]

Oh good, I want some Epinard this go round!!!

[Algester]

Yeah.. I know... I think is a bummer... Apricot = Kin Mokusei , Grenade = Okuyama (to a chromatography level).. I wish they will go for new colors...

 

 

Forgot which is the equivalent for Epinard?..

 

 

C.

Tokiwa-Matsu for Epinard

[Jan2016]

Pine is Tokiwa Matsu

One of my favorites... :-)

[Jan2016]

I do not understand that it is a re-release, these inks are as far as I know easily available.

Even in the Netherlands...

[white_lotus]

Apricot, Epinard, Grenade have been discontinued for quite some time and were favorites.

[lgsoltek]

 

 

Yeah.. I know... I think is a bummer... Apricot = Kin Mokusei , Grenade = Okuyama (to a chromatography level).. I wish they will go for new colors...

 

 

Forgot which is the equivalent for Epinard?..

 

 

C.

 

 

Apricot = Kin-mokusei = Onago-iro Honey

Grenade = Oku-yama

Sky High = Souten

Epinard = Tokiwa-matsu

Ultramarine = Nioi-sumire (Now this one I admit it's ever so slightly different - Ultramarine having a slightly pinker undertone - but really barely visible.)

 

Now I just can't understand what Sailor is thinking. Especially about the orange...

[Cyber6]

 

 

Apricot = Kin-mokusei = Onago-iro Honey

Grenade = Oku-yama

Sky High = Souten

Epinard = Tokiwa-matsu

Ultramarine = Nioi-sumire (Now this one I admit it's ever so slightly different - Ultramarine having a slightly pinker undertone - but really barely visible.)

 

Now I just can't understand what Sailor is thinking. Especially about the orange...

Agree totally.... I am SOOO dissapointed.

 

 

It is not like when Irori and Rikyu-Cha came back..... There has never been anything like them... since THEM... So yeah, I was really excited for those.

 

 

C.

[MCWB]

Apricot = Kin-mokusei = Onago-iro Honey

Grenade = Oku-yama

Sky High = Souten

Epinard = Tokiwa-matsu

Ultramarine = Nioi-sumire (Now this one I admit it's ever so slightly different - Ultramarine having a slightly pinker undertone - but really barely visible.)

 

For me, Epinard and Tokiwa-matsu are quite different, as are Grenade and Oku-Yama (in both cases I am now considering buying an extra of the fomer). Don't get me wrong, these inks are similar, but they're not actually the same. I am very pleased that Epinard and Grenade are coming back.

[Cyber6]

 

For me, Epinard and Tokiwa-matsu are quite different, as are Grenade and Oku-Yama (in both cases I am now considering buying an extra of the fomer). Don't get me wrong, these inks are similar, but they're not actually the same. I am very pleased that Epinard and Grenade are coming back.

 

 

If you do the chromatography test... they are TWINS... The differences you see are mostly pen, paper related. Even the same ink from the same bottle looks different on different pens/papers. You can't argue with chromatography.

 

Now, after saying that... I am glad that you are happy to get them back.

 

 

 

C.

Edited April 28, 2017 by Cyber6

[white_lotus]

And the new list price for these six is $25, whereas the existing Four Seasons inks are generally sold at $18.

 

And regarding Cyber6's disappointment, considering the number of inks they've produced exclusively for Japanese shops, surely they could have found a few that would have ben unique and different from the other North American offerings, the Kobe's, and the Bungbox inks available here with greater or lesser ease.

Edited April 28, 2017 by white_lotus

[Cyber6]

And the new list price for these six is $25, whereas the existing Four Seasons inks are generally sold at $18.

 

 

Oh yeah... I noticed that. I also noticed that is says "For NorthAmerica ONLY".

 

 

 

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[Cyber6]

You see... at the top... "Only in North America"

 

[KKay]

They will be 25 dollars a bottle? The smile dropped down on my face when I read that.

[MCWB]

If you do the chromatography test... they are TWINS... The differences you see are mostly pen, paper related. Even the same ink from the same bottle looks different on different pens/papers. You can't argue with chromatography.

 

Paper chromatography alone cannot tell you that; it is at best only a semi-quantitative technique. The pairs of inks listed are certainly similar, no doubt about that, and I agree that these inks can look different on different papers and from different pens/nibs, but I also think you're vastly overestimating what paper chromatography can tell you. All the paper chromatography definitively tells you is that they likely contain the same or very similar dyes and in similar amounts (which is interesting but not entirely surprising given that they are similar inks from the same company).

 

Are these pairs of inks similar enough for most people? Quite possibly. Are they exactly the same, i.e. the same dyes in the same concentrations? I don't think so in at least the cases of Epinard vs Tokiwa-Matsu and Grenade vs Oku-Yama (as I own all four of these); but either way, paper chromatography cannot tell you if they are or not. We need quantitative analysis for that (e.g. High Performance Liquid Chromatography and/or UV-Vis spectrophotometry).

[Jan2016]

@MCWB

this looks like an academic discussion...

if we would use quantitative analysis we would also find differences between batches, but again, it would be an academic discussion

 

Because you have them all four, please post a review and side by side, so everyone can decide for him/herself if the difference is big enough to buy the different versions. Maybe something for the Ink Comparison forum
?

[Jan2016]

and if possible with paper chromatography...

[MCWB]

These comparisons have already been done years ago (e.g. Sam Capote's Epinard comparison, Grenade comparison, Sky High comparison). Your point about batch variation is also an excellent one and indeed we have no idea if these newly re-released inks are the same as their previous formulations. You're right, it's an academic discussion and quite possibly pointless; after all, we're only talking about ink that we like to put in our pens.

Edited April 29, 2017 by MCWB

[Jan2016]

Great! Thanks for the links!

If you do not know your history you are doomed to repeat it...

 

The chroma of Epinard and Tokiwa-matsu are close but there is difference.

The difference between Grenade and Oku-yama is for my eyes very very very subtle....

The sheen of Sky-high is amazing!!! If the new ones still has this, this will be a must have for sheen lovers....

[white_lotus]

Well, anyone that wants to buy an ink that's very very very similar to one they already have, and pay more for it, well please, be my guest. It's your money, do what you want with it.