Fpn Inks: Are We Lost?

[RMN]

 

My mind is quietly boggling here. What sort of baby bouncer is suitable for agitating ink, and WHAT DOES IT DO TO THE BABY?

 

Don't they have a bouncer in bars and nightclubs?

 

 

Dick

[amberleadavis]

 

Don't they have a bouncer in bars and nightclubs?

 

 

Dick

 

 

Yes, but they look a little more studly.

 

The one we used looked like this:

 

http://www.toysrus.com/graphics/product_images/pTRU1-9003654dt.jpg

[dcwaites]

So you gently rocked the ink to sleep?

[amberleadavis]

Well, we woke it back up by shaking through the hallways.

[dcwaites]

Poor thing...

[SamCapote]

How do you get the baby to hold the ink bottle while you shake them?

[white_lotus]

Here is my comparison sheet comparing the FPN GMB I got with a number of other brown inks in my collection. This test was done after shaking the bottle for some time (perhaps a minute or two?).

 

Depending on the angle of viewing you might actually get somewhat accurate color. The OS Oscar's Copper probably was in a pen with some water residue so it came out lighter that it really is. But the others seem reasonable representations of their color.

 

I wanted to show the full range of colors with red and black as controls.

 

The Noodler's Park Red is for some reason now a brighter ink. The color here is not the same as my original review. I don't know why this is. I tried it in another pen, it it was this same bright red color.

 

Edited April 1, 2015 by white_lotus

[wimg]

The sample above of GMB, considering the differences in colour temperature when scanning and displaying on different monitors, looks quite reasonable.

 

As to it being a red brown, that is really up to whatever one wants to call it. Brown by definition is a mix of red and black, so it will/should always have a strong red component.

 

I still have the bottle which I used for my own review. I still have a bottle of the particular batch the last bottles came from. I have never noticed a difference. I did notice a "sediment", but after speaking with Nathan on Monday, I did shake the bottle very thoroughly, until all the "sediment" disappeared and the glass bottle become totally clear again. However, I did not have a colour problem, so it is difficult to assess what happens exactly to bottles which do - I'll have to trust Nathan on this (and I do). BTW, the formulation has never changed since its inception.

 

Do note that the reviews I did, were actually colour calibrated images, as one would a photograph, so viewed on a well calibrated monitor, should give the correct colour for this ink as far as I am aware.

I certainly still love it.

 

What I really like about this ink, is that despite its permanence, it will still shade, and under certain conditions, certain papers, certain pens/nibs, and certain amounts of ink laid down, it gets this partial, faint reddish outline to some of the characters formed. It does not do this often, but I do think it makes it very special, as this is exactly what you see occasionally in the Galileo Manuscripts, even if those are oxidized gall ink manuscripts .

 

Warm regards, Wim

[inkstainedruth]

(So sorry... the first thing that pop in my mind... blame my 15 years old daughter.. )

Kids these days....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[inkstainedruth]

Normally I would chalk this up to the fact that color's on a computer monitor are slightly different than real life, but this is a DRASTIC difference from every post on FPN I have seen showcasing the ink.

And this is even worse than the bottle of GMB that someone in my pen club had from the last go round -- that bottle at least had *some* resemblance to brown, even though it was a lot redder than I care for.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[white_lotus]

After much shaking of 30 seconds to a minute. Repeatedly.

 

There is no change to the ink. It is still a muted red. I'll be giving this bottle away. I have many inks, even from Noodler's, that are actually brown. (Sorry I keep wanting to call this ink Galisteo instead of Galileo.)

 

Edited April 2, 2015 by white_lotus

[rickygene]

Here's my point of view - I don't think we are lost, just a little dazed and confused☺ It seems to be more about what we individually perceive as brown, red, or even black. I echo everything Wim says about the behaviour and shading of this ink. It's just that to my perception ( as it seems too many of you somewhat disappointed folks out there) it is a brownish-red ink not reddish-brown.

I have posted a little earlier in this thread on how I fixed this to my satisfaction. Just add a little Noodler's Black and some water until you get the shade of brown you like. It's quite easy and the ink still retains the lovely shading and excellent behaviour.

I am very happy to take unwanted bottles of this ink as it is now (after a little tailoring) my daily writer and is likely to remain so. Anyone interested, please drop me a message and we can organise something. Maybe a swap for one of my many less used inks? I have a lot of blues and some greens, especially as it seems I am a brown ink guy now - until my next inky obsession that is! ☺

I am in Australia so postage is expensive from the US.

 

As a postscript. I love how ink colour can generate so much emotion. It really speaks to how colour on the page is so important to us in that we spend so much time, thought, and energy (and money!) into chasing that perfect ink. I know that there is nothing like that feeling when you see that perfect ink flowing out of the nib onto the paper and leaving wonderfully coloured letters on the page (with shading, sheen, solidity, gravitas, lightness, whimsy, sparkles, or whatever is your thing).

 

The sample above of GMB, considering the differences in colour temperature when scanning and displaying on different monitors, looks quite reasonable.

 

As to it being a red brown, that is really up to whatever one wants to call it. Brown by definition is a mix of red and black, so it will/should always have a strong red component.

 

I still have the bottle which I used for my own review. I still have a bottle of the particular batch the last bottles came from. I have never noticed a difference. I did notice a "sediment", but after speaking with Nathan on Monday, I did shake the bottle very thoroughly, until all the "sediment" disappeared and the glass bottle become totally clear again. However, I did not have a colour problem, so it is difficult to assess what happens exactly to bottles which do - I'll have to trust Nathan on this (and I do). BTW, the formulation has never changed since its inception.

 

Do note that the reviews I did, were actually colour calibrated images, as one would a photograph, so viewed on a well calibrated monitor, should give the correct colour for this ink as far as I am aware.

I certainly still love it.

 

What I really like about this ink, is that despite its permanence, it will still shade, and under certain conditions, certain papers, certain pens/nibs, and certain amounts of ink laid down, it gets this partial, faint reddish outline to some of the characters formed. It does not do this often, but I do think it makes it very special, as this is exactly what you see occasionally in the Galileo Manuscripts, even if those are oxidized gall ink manuscripts .

 

Warm regards, Wim

[tfwall]

Here's my point of view - I don't think we are lost, just a little dazed and confused☺ It seems to be more about what we individually perceive as brown, red, or even black. I echo everything Wim says about the behaviour and shading of this ink. It's just that to my perception ( as it seems too many of you somewhat disappointed folks out there) it is a brownish-red ink not reddish-brown.

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As a postscript. I love how ink colour can generate so much emotion. It really speaks to how colour on the page is so important to us in that we spend so much time, thought, and energy (and money!) into chasing that perfect ink. I know that there is nothing like that feeling when you see that perfect ink flowing out of the nib onto the paper and leaving wonderfully coloured letters on the page (with shading, sheen, solidity, gravitas, lightness, whimsy, sparkles, or whatever is your thing).

 

 

 

You've struck upon the heart of the problem when people email to ask "Why can't you recreate my favorite ink that is unavailable? (Penman Sapphire gets a lot of votes)". Everyone perceives colors a little differently, had a slightly different bottle (due to age, storage, light exposure, evaporation, tolerances at the factory, &c) and if the ink has been unavailable for a while, memory and emotion cloud how they remember it. There is no "one perfect bottle" of any ink and trying to recreate such an item, especially for more than one person, rapidly becomes an exercise in futility. It is like trying to recreate that perfect summer camp experience for all 40 campers, 10 yrs later...

Edited April 3, 2015 by Chemyst

[rickygene]

You've struck upon the heart of the problem when people email to ask "Why can't you recreate my favorite ink that is unavailable? (Penman Sapphire gets a lot of votes)". Everyone perceives colors a little differently, had a slightly different bottle (due to age, storage, light exposure, evaporation, tolerances at the factory, &c) and if the ink has been unavailable for a while, memory and emotion clouds how they remember it. There is no "one perfect bottle" of any ink and trying to recreate such an item, especially for more than one person, rapidly becomes an exercise in futility. It is like trying to recreate that perfect summer camp experience for all 40 campers, 10 yrs later...

Thanks Chemyst. Exactly. I used Parker Penman Sapphire for many years because the bottle was functional and I quite liked the colour but it didn't strike a strong response in me because ink was just a working tool for me for decades. it's only now, after seeing a picture of a PPS bottle on FPN that I realised what I'd been using! I wish I'd kept a few bottles!

So my memory of PPS is only as a nice blue, nothing special, but now that I've seen scans other people have put up it seems like a really special ink that I'd love to try.

I have currently created the close to perfect ink for me right now but I'll probably find it boring by next year! May the search never end!

Ps: that Sailor Cigar ink looks interesting....

[rmullins]

Welcome back......GMB......

 

 

[amberleadavis]

Thanks for the shout out. I'm so glad you like it.