Stalward/ Dauntless Or Taperite?

[BlotBot]

This is the pen in question:

 

It is a straited green celluloid with a semi flex (at least) nib. The clip is missing, but it would attach to the top of the cap

The imprint-

"Waterman's

-MADE IN U.S.A.-"

 

The nib-

"Waterman's

IDEAL

14-KT.

 

 

The body looks like a Stalward (or maybe a Dauntless) based on various threads, such as:

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/207029-stalwart/

 

But the rounded section looks more like that of a open nibbed Taperite. In fact, there are two similar pens that have been previously IDed as Taperites in another thread-

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/191509-32-vintage-waterman-pens-wet-noodles-flex-nibs-red-ripples/

 

Did they put Taperite sections on Stalward/Dauntless bodies?

Are the values for this model from the second thread reasonable?

 

Let me know if you have a spare gold-plate clip for this model.....

 

[Left FPN]

http://dirck.delint.ca/beta/

 

http://dirck.delint.ca/beta/?page_id=6975

Edited May 23, 2014 by Force

[BlotBot]

Yes, it does look like a Stalward on the Raven's March website. Howwever, I am still puzzled by the rounded section. There is no explicit discussion of section variants on Raven's March, and there is the statement "There don’t seem to be any Taperite models."

[Ernst Bitterman]

Have a look at the page for the Crusader. That bullet-shaped section appears to be something Waterman toyed with about the time the Taperite profile was brought out, then abandoned. This variant section doesn't appear on the Stalwart nor the Dauntless pages only because I've not have one on hand to take pictures of.

[BlotBot]

A related question. The sac in this pen is functioning. The section is firmly attached. I tried a much heat as I dare and it didnt budge. So, I dont know if thisis anorginal sac (about to fail) or a newer one. What are the chances the original sac would still be pliable?

[Ernst Bitterman]

If it wasn't used, or was properly cleaned when it was put away, there's a reasonable chance for it to still be working. For a while....

 

I tried a much heat as I dare and it didnt budge.

 

 

I've found in cases like this that repeated sessions over the course of weeks/months usually bring a happy result. Like memory, there's long-term and short-term patience, and both of them come into play in pen repair. I think the longest I've ever had a pen resist was 14 months (a heavily shellacked Sheaffer Balance), but there have been a few other-people's pens that I couldn't face asking the owner to let me carry one fretting away at it for such a long period.