Inky T O D - Have You Ever Had An Ink Fade?

[TofuKat]

I learned the hard way about Parker and Waterman. womp womp.

 

This was pre-FPN though and I didn't know any better. Heck, I could barely find ink so I was happy to be able to use my pens at all...

[amberleadavis]

Tanzanite, thank you for sharing!

[ethernautrix]

I've had a few inks fade in my notebooks (the pages of which seldom see any light). These happened before I noted which pens and inks I was using, so I can't be certain which inks they were - except for the one Orange Crush or Copper Burst (Private Reserve). I remember seeing the page, noting the ink, and thinking, "Hey wait, that ink was more vibrant!"

 

I would check these notebooks now, but they are 6,000 miles away from me.

 

I'm pretty sure that Parker Washable Blue was one. Another was a blue-black, either Montblanc or Pelikan (both cartridges). And a green. Maybe Sheaffer Green.

[amberleadavis]

So, just in case you thought I was silly......

 

Check out how the fading even effects buildings around here. BTW, "union" was in black letters, the other areas faded more.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Inked_Today/slides/20140528_073433crop.jpg

[ac12]

Cross/Pelikan blue.

On most pens, it goes on nice and blue, but quickly dries to a lighter blue. This was rather upsetting to me.

I discovered that I need to use a WET pen, to put down enough ink so that it does not dry to a lighter color.

[Tanzanite]

I am doing a follow up of an earlier posting in this thread. This is an ink test where the left paper has been lying in a room without being exposed to direct sunlight for a month and a half. The right is in a note book.

All the inks have faded but to various degrees. Of the Edelstein inks the Mandarin has faded the least. Almost no fading.

Sailor black is the least fading ink on the paper.

 

Edited May 29, 2014 by Tanzanite

[Beckwith]

Parker Super Quink Washable - annotated a book about a year ago and now the ink is almost invisible. Kept the book closed and on a bookshelf away from sunlight. No idea how or why it faded. It also dries much lighter than it goes on in the first place

[Arkanabar]

This is my primary resistance to actually using my bottle of Waterman Effacable/ Florida/ Serenity Blue. I know that previous OS Skrip washable blue has faded to near invisibility on paper, and I think this is probably a characteristic of the dye used, in nearly all formulations that can be lifted with an ink eradicator, which means many of the royal blues.

 

edit: I used to have a bottle of Waterman Havana Brown. I loved it, but it faded to a sort of bluish-green after a few months.

Edited November 15, 2014 by Arkanabar

[amberleadavis]

I am doing a follow up of an earlier posting in this thread. This is an ink test where the left paper has been lying in a room without being exposed to direct sunlight for a month and a half. The right is in a note book.

All the inks have faded but to various degrees. Of the Edelstein inks the Mandarin has faded the least. Almost no fading.

Sailor black is the least fading ink on the paper.

 

20140529_170512-1.jpg

 

 

Thank you for sharing this. I was describing this effect the other day.

[Tanzanite]

Thank you for sharing this. I was describing this effect the other day.

A few months later some of the inks had almost disappeared from the paper. I am impressed by Edelstein Mandarin though. It was paler but not too much.

[mirosc]

Pelikan Royal Blue - I used it back in school and in the past decades it has faded. But very uneven: sometimes almost completely, sometimes not at all.

[Princeps Anglorum]

Do people think that part of what is going here is the acidity of the paper ?

[lisadan]

Quink black (or blue-black, not sure exactly, probably washable) faded significantly in 23 years. Was written on a regular school notebook and is hardly visible in some pages. Notebook was stored in a dark place and was not exposed to extreme heat or cold.

[amberleadavis]

Do people think that part of what is going here is the acidity of the paper ?

Those newer papers are all acid free.

[Abner C. Kemp]

I had some notes written in Montblanc Midnight Blue (old IG formula) that I left on a car seat for a good part of the summer. The writing faded quite a bit but was still legible.

[Arkanabar]

I very much doubt that the notebooks where the American Sheaffer washable blue faded were acid-free. We're talking a dime for a 70pg spiral notebook at Wal-Mart during Back to School, here.

[Tanzanite]

Most paper are not acid free. If it does not say it is somewhere in the notebook it is probably not.

[Sandy1]

Hi,

 

If paper contains lignins, those will generate acids as time passes. So even if a paper is [labeled as] acid free at time of manufacture, that does not guarantee that it will not become acidic.

 

As pH test pens do not test for lignin content, tests using those pens must be repeated over time to determine if paper has become acidic.

 

For 'permanent' papers, look for the designation that it complies with ISO 11108:1996, 9706:1994, or equivalent.

 

Due to government mandate for enduring records, even inexpensive copy/print papers are available which meet the ISO 9706 standard. e.g. Staples Multipurpose 80 gsm http://www.staples.co.uk/size-a4-white-multipurpose-paper-80gsm-2500-sheets/cbs/398859.html

 

Bye,

S1

 

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- Wiki 'acid-free paper' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-free_paper

- ISO 11108:1996 - archival paper http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=1708

- ISO 9706:1994 - permanent paper http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=17562

- USA Library of Congress 'The Deterioration and Preservation of Paper: Some Essential Facts' http://www.loc.gov/preservation/care/deterioratebrochure.html

- Hewlett-Packard blurbs: 1) 2009 http://www.hp.com/products1/printpermanence/pdfs/Toner_archivability_overview_0909.pdf 2) 2003 http://www.hp.com/products1/printpermanence/pdfs/acid_lignin.pdf

Edited December 1, 2014 by Sandy1

[amberleadavis]

Hi,

 

If paper contains lignins, those will generate acids as time passes. So even if a paper is [labeled as] acid free at time of manufacture, that does not guarantee that it will not become acidic.

 

As pH test pens do not test for lignin content, tests using those pens must be repeated over time to determine if paper has become acidic.

 

For 'permanent' papers, look for the designation that it complies with ISO 11108:1996, 9706:1994, or equivalent.

 

Due to government mandate for enduring records, even inexpensive copy/print papers are available which meet the ISO 9706 standard. e.g. Staples Multipurpose 80 gsm http://www.staples.co.uk/size-a4-white-multipurpose-paper-80gsm-2500-sheets/cbs/398859.html

 

Bye,

S1

 

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- Wiki 'acid-free paper' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid-free_paper

- ISO 11108:1996 http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=1708

- ISO 9706:1994 http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=17562

- USA Library of Congress 'The Deterioration and Preservation of Paper: Some Essential Facts' http://www.loc.gov/preservation/care/deterioratebrochure.html

- Hewlett-Packard blurbs: 1) 2009 http://www.hp.com/products1/printpermanence/pdfs/Toner_archivability_overview_0909.pdf 2) 2003 http://www.hp.com/products1/printpermanence/pdfs/acid_lignin.pdf

 

 

Ah ha! Government mandate!

[av8r172]

I've found that Pelikan Royal Blue fades in a closed notebook within days.