Edelstein Inks Fading On Moleskine?

[napalm]

  On 8/20/2014 at 12:49 AM, amberleadavis said:

The sailors are faders too. Except for your Apricot... too cool.

The Sailor Kobe blue inks did very well too.... i didn't test the regular Jentle ones though (not my fav hue for blue).

[amberleadavis]

The Kobe Bruise ink is a fader....like real bruises.

[Keyless Works]

Although the bottles are not as nice I have had much better luck with the regular 4001 line of Pelikan inks than any of the Edelsteins. My bottle of Aventurine molded and Sapphire not only looks washed out but also fades badly...not a stable ink. It's surprising that a storied fountain pen manufacturer and a manufacturer of one of the best lines of ink (4001) can produce such rubbish and at a premium price point no less.

[Mags]

Keyless Works...an unrelated comment. I like your avatar.

[Chris]

Quink fades (permanent blue and blue-black); Waterman fades (blue-black, Florida blue) and this is in closed files on Oxford paper. My old notes are almost invisible. Never use those inks now except for doing the crossword in the paper. Fugitive I think is the term for colours that do a runner.

[white_lotus]

That's very disconcerting that an ink would fade in a closed notebook.

[Chris]

You can imagine my surprise!

But indeed those inks are almost invisible now. OK it has taken some years and they were never claiming to be archival inks (though one might ask what 'permanent' means when calling an ink permanent blue).

So now I stick to inks that I expect to last as long as the paper they are written on.

[Historian]

I had the same problem with Waterman Serenity Blue in my Black n' Red notebooks. The notes I took about a month ago are pretty faded, so I quickly digitised them.

[amberleadavis]

  On 8/21/2014 at 1:16 AM, white_lotus said:

That's very disconcerting that an ink would fade in a closed notebook.

 

 

It happens more often than we would like to know.

[white_lotus]

THen it's something people should know! I personally am not concerned with fading in light per se, but the ink stability. Fugitive inks would disappear from the market if people didn't buy them. Or the manufacturers would use better (i.e. more lightfast) dyes for the inks. This is why I believe in testing inks against a known scale such as the Blue Wool one. Most inks except carbon black, and a few others cannot stand full sunlight for long periods of time. They're not designed for that.

 

But they should be able to last for years in a closed notebook. At least that's my criteria.

 

I'll have to watch my notebooks for the distillery for signs of fading. For the longest time I used Sailor pigmented black. Perhaps for that purpose I may go back to black. And maybe check my notebooks for signs of fading, and document what ink was used.

[Floreat]

This really worries me I mainly write to my godchildren, a five year old boy and a 9 month old girl. I'm having treatment fr I curable cancer and want the letters to be something they can keep to remember me by in future so they know they had a godmummy who loved them. I paint them little pictures (like my avatar) and am careful to use artists' quality inks which are designed to be permanent even in light, but I would never have expected fountain pen inks to be so fugitive in letters and notebooks!! I've got together a lovely collection of coloured FP inks especially so I can write letters in a rainbow of colours for them. Ugh

[amberleadavis]

So far, inks that have done well in fade tests (light exposure) have not faded inside journals.

[amberleadavis]

Well, much to my embarrassment, the moleskin images weren't loaded, so I loaded them.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Tests/Fade/2012/Subjects/slides/85.jpg

 

Then, I discovered, I was an idiot and cut the paper wrong.

 

The Blue-Black is an Iron Gall and overall did pretty well.

 

The above paper was scanned today. The scan below was in 2012.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/INK/attachments/2012-06-07_sum_exp_85.jpg

[amberleadavis]

  On 8/19/2014 at 6:59 PM, stefanv said:

I've been using Pelikan Edelstein Sapphire in a Leuchtturm notebook since the beginning of the year, and I've noticed some pretty serious fading:

 

http://www.stefanv.com/pens/fpn_photos/pelikan-edelstein-fading.jpg

 

Both pages were written with the same ink, same pen, same paper, on the dates shown. The photo was taken on the latter date. The sample on the left looked like the one on the right when it was first written.

 

It's really too bad, because I like the colour of the ink when it first goes down on the Leuchtturm paper (I find it too purple on most other papers).

 

Hey, StefanNV - those images above were also from you.

[amberleadavis]

  On 4/14/2014 at 7:22 AM, Tanzanite said:

Amber: Fortunately I have not written much with these inks yet. I will do some more tests on different kinds of paper and see what happens in another four weeks. If I get this result on more paper I will definitely write to Pelikan.

I would really like lightfastnessrating on ink bottles.

 

 

My Pelikan Royal Blue did not fade in the bottle.

[Floreat]

Are the coloured inks (Mandarin etc) more fugitive, do you know please Amber? Tanzanite looks very stable, but the kids I write to do love getting colourful letters, I don't want to have to stick to blue-blacks.

[amberleadavis]

Personally, I'd stay away from the Edelsteins if you want resilience.

 

Several users (including myself) have posted detailed threads about fade.

 

Here is a link to my various fade test results. The most comprehensive test I have done is here.

 

Keep in mind that even crayons and ball points fade.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Tests/Fade/2012/Subjects/slides/39.jpghttp://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Tests/Fade/2012/Subjects/slides/128-2012-10-14_001.jpg

 

Personally, I love color and I doodle a lot. The results are surprising and varied.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Tests/Fade/2012/Subjects/slides/04-2012-10-14_01.jpg

[Tanzanite]

  On 8/23/2014 at 6:50 AM, Floreat said:

Are the coloured inks (Mandarin etc) more fugitive, do you know please Amber? Tanzanite looks very stable, but the kids I write to do love getting colourful letters, I don't want to have to stick to blue-blacks.

Mandarin is the best of the six edelstein inks I have tested. Ruby, Turmaline and Sapphire is really bad.

[Tanzanite]

This is an update of the test in the beginning of the thread after four months. The right side has been in the notebook all the time and the left in the open in a light room. Lately it has had a litte exposure to sun but the rest of the time not.

 

[amberleadavis]

Terrifying.