Parker Vacumatic Maxima?

[kirchh]

  On 2/11/2014 at 11:04 AM, Lazard 20 said:

Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name) of 135 mm length, 13.5 mm diameter in cap band and the chevron band "Lazard double vertical". Taken in a fully aseptic sampling of virtually all Vacumatics auctioned in Ebay during January 2014. Each one has about 135 mm. and, of course, "vertical double" chevron band. If it awakens your curiosity, you can entertain with this matter in the next PenShow that you visit... and defend the honor of his real and beautiful name -Maxima, Slender Maxima if you so wish, but Maxima- if you want to do, of course!

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http://s28.postimg.org/tj72l76y5/1941_VERTICAL_BD_SLENDER_MAX.jpg

 

 

According to you, this cannot be a Slender Maxima.

 

It has the wrong width cap band.

 

Here is the catalog information you posted (composited to save space), and that you are relying upon:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/1941_Lazard_Detail.jpg

 

Notice that the 1941 Slender Maxima has a much wider cap band in this depiction than the pen you show above.

 

Therefore, either you must accept that the pen you show is not a Slender Maxima, or you must accept that the Parker catalogs do not accurately depict their pens.

 

Which is it?

 

--Daniel

Edited February 12, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

  On 2/12/2014 at 2:19 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

Here ( to give an example of someone who does not sympathize with me) http://www.(bleep).com/websitesales/newpens.htm you can see vacs years ´40 ~127 mm. and "|" and ~135 with "||".

 

Further you can see many more on ebay f.e. with 127 mm. and "|"chevron band. However, for your convenience, tomorrow I'll upload also the 6/8 Major ´40 of my collection.

 

On the other hand you talk "now" or new arguments. Now? A you sure?

 

Two months ago in this post. Posted 19 December 2013 - 20:59 by Lazard

 

"In general, Slender Maxima of the '40s as the present one do not have broad band nor nib Maxima nor feed channel width "W" engraved. You can verify that your Slender Maxima has "||" two vertical bars limiting the band engraving area -only 1 in the Major´s normally and 2 in the Maxima´s as my personal contribution to Pendom-."

 

Are you the one who is confused. Please review the fountain pen post object and my comments. We're talking about a fountain pen of "vacs ringed dark years " its to say, the 40s, in this particular case 1945, so that is out and not suitable your comments about '30s bands -that is another matter-.

 

I thought that you introduce ´30 bands as to confuse readers to lack of other arguments. Now I see that you do not know what we're talking about.

 

This is very, very simple.

 

You claim that the 135mm-long slender Vacumatic with narrower band and smaller nib from late-1938 through 1941 is a Slender Maxima.

 

Correct?

 

--Daniel

[kirchh]

Another example of how your reliance on catalog depictions destroys your case:

 

  On 2/11/2014 at 11:06 AM, Lazard 20 said:

More examples:

 

 

http://s7.postimg.org/ppu1elnmj/1940_4_T_azure_slender_maxima_2_VERTICALES.jpg

 

According to you, this cannot be a Slender Maxima.

 

It has the wrong width cap band.

 

Here is the catalog information you posted, and that you are relying upon:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/1940_Lazard_Detail.jpg

 

Notice that the 1940 Slender Maxima has a much wider cap band in this depiction than the pen you show above.

 

Therefore, either you must accept that the pen you show is not a Slender Maxima, or you must accept that the Parker catalogs do not accurately depict their pens.

 

Which is it?

 

--Daniel

Edited February 12, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

Yet more examples of how your own logic undermines your claims:

 

  On 2/11/2014 at 11:10 AM, Lazard 20 said:

More examples 135 mm and double vertical chevron band:

http://s14.postimg.org/alna805ip/1940_3_T_azure_slender_maxima_2_VERTICALES.jpg

 

According to you, this cannot be a Slender Maxima.

 

It has the wrong width cap band.

 

Here is the catalog information you posted, and that you are relying upon:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/1940_Lazard_Detail.jpg

 

Notice that the 1940 Slender Maxima has a much wider cap band in this depiction than the pen you show above.

 

Therefore, either you must accept that the pen you show is not a Slender Maxima, or you must accept that the Parker catalogs do not accurately depict their pens.

 

 

  Quote

 

http://s27.postimg.org/pw90b5wyr/1941_4_T_slender_m_xima_134mm_2_verticales_azure.jpg

 

According to you, this cannot be a Slender Maxima.

 

It has the wrong width cap band.

 

Here is the catalog information you posted (composited to save space), and that you are relying upon:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/1941_Lazard_Detail.jpg

 

Notice that the 1941 Slender Maxima has a much wider cap band in this depiction than the pen you show above.

 

Therefore, either you must accept that the pen you show is not a Slender Maxima, or you must accept that the Parker catalogs do not accurately depict their pens.

 

  Quote

 

http://s28.postimg.org/optiw0h7x/1939_3_T_SLENDER_MAXIMA_DOS_VERTICALES.jpg

 

According to you, this cannot be a Slender Maxima.

 

It has the wrong width cap band.

 

Here is the catalog information you posted and that you are relying upon:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/1939_Lazard_Detail.jpg

 

Notice that the 1939 Slender Maxima has a much wider cap band in this depiction than the pen you show above.

 

Therefore, either you must accept that the pen you show is not a Slender Maxima, or you must accept that the Parker catalogs do not accurately depict their pens.

 

Which is it?

 

--Daniel

[Lazard 20]

  On 2/12/2014 at 2:23 PM, kirchh said:

 

According to you, this cannot be a Slender Maxima.

 

Notice that the 1941 Slender Maxima has a much wider cap band in this depiction than the pen you show above.

 

--Daniel

 

If these are the arguments that you have, let me tell you that you lack them. You should better apply on the web site noted that I mentioned to you and explain to FPN readers why all of 127 mm long are only one vertical and all 135 mm long have two vertical. If both are Major, why Parker differentiated them by length and also by band?

 

Let me remind you we are talking about "from one point of the years ´40 Maximas -both 15 mm and those of 13, 5 mm in diameter- have not wider cap band."

 

When we are talking about "vacs ringed dark years" and a 1945 fountain pen specifically, if you relate my Parker catalog of 1941 I come obligated to tell you that catalog 1941 is not "the point", that catalog 1941 is not dark years because there are catalog and I see convenient remind you 1941 not is 1945.

Edited February 12, 2014 by Lazard 20

[usk15]

This is my pen, from my first post. After researching i believe this is called Major from 1945, through collectors Long Major:

-has small nib with 7 feathers like the other normal Major from 1943

-has the same cap band width like the other Major

-it's a single jewel, speed line filler, blue diamond clip and nr 5 with 3 dots resulting a pen from 1945

-it's has only one "|" on the cap band, according to Lazard being a Major

-the cap and jewel are larger in size, but still interchangeable with the other Major

-the jewel it's black, Maxima I believe it has striped jewel

 

Check my pictures:

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/547/rnfy.jpg

 

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/31/ovir.jpg

 

http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x600q90/196/bcnv.jpg

[kirchh]

  On 2/12/2014 at 2:46 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

We are talking about "from one point of the years ´40 Maximas -both 15 mm and those of 13, 5 mm in diameter- have not wider cap band."

 

When we are talking about "vacs ringed dark years" and a 1945 fountain pen specifically, if you relate my Parker catalog of 1941 I have to tell you that catalog 1941 is not "the point", that catalog 1941 is not dark years because there are catalog and I see convenient remind you 1941 not is 1945.

 

You have posted multiple pictures of 135mm-long pens with narrower cap bands from 1939, 1940, and 1941, and you have claimed that those pens are Slender Maximas.

 

Correct?

 

--Daniel

[Lazard 20]

  On 2/12/2014 at 2:51 PM, kirchh said:

 

You have posted multiple pictures of 135mm-long pens with narrower cap bands from 1939, 1940, and 1941, and you have claimed that those pens are Slender Maximas.

 

Correct?

 

--Daniel

 

Incorrect. Being a statistic as I said, simple aseptic observation, I uploaded all vacs ringed found on Ebay with double vertical chevron band. That's a marginal issue. It is the simple reflection of the sample, its to say, the statistical population. No deductions.

 

The implication is that all 135 mm with chevron narrow band in ebay and the web cited and mi collect and others collection that I have seen have double vertical band. That is deduction next to all 127 mm with chevron band have only one vertical. That is the deduction: 135 two verticals, 127 one vertical.

 

You should better apply on the web site noted that I mentioned to you and explain to FPN readers why all of 127 mm long are only one vertical and all 135 mm long have two vertical and reply if both are Major, why Parker differentiated them by length and also by band and two verticals as others Maxima?

 

 

 

 

Footnote.The cap of 135mm long/13,5 diameter and 127 mm. are interchangeable but the first it approaches to 61 mm and 127 approximates to 58 mm.

[kirchh]

  On 2/12/2014 at 2:46 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

If these are the arguments that you have, let me tell you that you lack them. You should better apply on the web site noted that I mentioned to you and explain to FPN readers why all of 127 mm long are only one vertical and all 135 mm long have two vertical. If both are Major, why Parker differentiated them by length and also by band?

 

Let me remind you we are talking about "from one point of the years ´40 Maximas -both 15 mm and those of 13, 5 mm in diameter- have not wider cap band."

 

When we are talking about "vacs ringed dark years" and a 1945 fountain pen specifically, if you relate my Parker catalog of 1941 I come obligated to tell you that catalog 1941 is not "the point", that catalog 1941 is not dark years because there are catalog and I see convenient remind you 1941 not is 1945.

 

You claim that 135mm-long slender pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 with narrower cap bands and smaller nibs are Slender Maximas.You have shown many pictures of such pens from those years, and you have labeled them as Slender Maximas.

 

You also claim that 135mm-long slender pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 with wider cap bands and larger nibs are also Slender Maximas. You have shown pictures of such pens, and you have also presented catalog images from those same years that show the Slender Maxima having that wider cap band.

 

Therefore, you are claiming that Parker sold two different pens as Slender Maximas at the same time during those years.

 

You also claim that the Major during 1939, 1940, and 1941 was 127mm long, but you can't show any of these thousands of pictures of such Majors.

 

Why would Parker offer two pens with different-sized nibs and different-width cap bands but call them the same model and sell them at the same price?

 

Where are all these 127mm-long Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

Why don't you have any evidence?

 

--Daniel

Edited February 12, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

  On 2/12/2014 at 3:28 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

Incorrect. Being a statistic as I said, simple aseptic observation, I uploaded all vacs ringed found on Ebay with double vertical chevron band. That's a marginal issue. It is the simple reflection of the sample, its to say, the statistical population. No deductions.

 

The implication is that all 135 mm with chevron narrow band in ebay and the web cited and mi collect and others collection that I have seen have double vertical band. That is deduction next to all 127 mm with chevron band have only one vertical. That is the deduction: 135 two verticals, 127 one vertical.

 

You should better apply on the web site noted that I mentioned to you and explain to FPN readers why all of 127 mm long are only one vertical and all 135 mm long have two vertical and reply if both are Major, why Parker differentiated them by length and also by band and two verticals as others Maxima?

 

 

 

 

Footnote.The cap of 135mm long/13,5 diameter and 127 mm. are interchangeable but the first it approaches to 61 mm and 127 approximates to 58 mm.

 

You claimed that 135mm-long slender Vacumatics with narrower bands and smaller nibs from 1939, 1940, and 1941 are Slender Maximas, not Majors. You posted many pictures of such pens and you labeled them Slender Maximas.

 

You claimed that the Major model in 1939, 1940, and 1941 is 127mm long, not 135mm long.

 

That is the entire foundation of your argument.

 

Are you now retracting your claim in the face of the evidence?

 

Do you now admit that the slender Vacumatics from 1939, 1940, and 1941 with narrower cap bands and smaller nibs are, in fact, not Slender Maximas, but are instead Majors (what collectors term "Long Majors")?

 

--Daniel

Edited February 12, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

kirchh, on 12 Feb 2014 - 09:51, said:

 

  On 2/12/2014 at 3:28 PM, Lazard 20 said:

kirchh, on 12 Feb 2014 - 09:51, said:

 

  Quote

You have posted multiple pictures of 135mm-long pens with narrower cap bands from 1939, 1940, and 1941, and you have claimed that those pens are Slender Maximas.

 

Correct?

 

--Daniel

 

 

Incorrect. .

 

Now you are simply being untruthful.

 

How disappointing.

 

Here is a post in which you showed several pictures of pens from that time period and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)."

 

Here is another post with "more examples."

 

Here is a third.

 

If you are not going to be honest about what you have said, you cannot engage in a productive discussion.

 

If you wish to retract your claim, simply do so.

 

--Daniel

[Lazard 20]

  On 2/12/2014 at 1:51 PM, kirchh said:

You claim that the Major from late-1938 through the early 1940s is 127mm long, and has the same-width cap band and the same nib as the Slender Maxima. You claim there are thousands of photos showing such pens from this time period. Yet, you cannot offer even a single example.

 

False. We are talking about vacumatic afther 1941.

 

Why would you not be able to post pictures of 127mm Majors from late-1938 through 1942?

 

Incorrect. We are talking about vacumatic afther 1941.

 

Why would you not be able to post pictures showing a 127mm Major next to a Slender Maxima with the same-width cap band from late-1938 through the end of the run of the Slender Maxima?

 

Wrong about 1938. False on other considerations. I upload two Major afther 1941 next to Slender many time ago. Here they are again.

 

http://s24.postimg.org/5cu4x5lxh/SLENDER_MAXIMA_COMPARATIVA.jpg

 

Doubly wrong because today I have provided the link to an unbiased site where are some 135 mm double vertical and 127 mm single vertical.

 

 

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the "||" band designates a Maxima model. None whatsoever.

 

I appreciate that you recognize my contribution about "||" band but this has not been alone. I have also shown that Parker called Maxima no Major, when they did, the 135 mm and 13, 5 mm. I also will show in the coming days that vac. of 135 mm and 15 mm. of those dates also shared the double vertical as opposed to the 127 mm.

 

Again, you have mixed up implication with equivalence. Just because Maximas are found with a "||" band, it does not mean that therefore all pens with a "||" band are Maximas. Just because all squares have four sides, it does not follow that all shapes with four sides are squares.

 

I could be mixing homogeneous elements, namely: vertical double with double vertical band , Maximas of 135 mm with Maximas of 135 mm, but What are you mixing? 135 mm with 127 mm? Double vertical with single vertical? Who is inconsistent?

 

I think that the late-1938-1942ish slender Blue Diamond Vacumatic that is 135mm long, having the Major-width cap band and the Major-sized nib was called the Major and sold for $8.75.

 

You think? This is not so easy, not just think, you must to be with yourself picky as you are to me if not more. You have to show what you think with graphic evidence and reliably. In 1942 there are ads with pen-pencil sets of $8.75, $12.75 and $15 confirming us Major $8.75 price and $10 or more for Maxima.

 

I think that during the same time period (until the model was discontinued), the slender Blue Diamond Vacumatic that is 135mm long, having the wider cap band and larger nib, was called the Slender Maxima and sold for $10.00.

 

You think? newly this is not so easy, not just think. You must to show some Slender of 1943 with wider cap band and larger nib. When do you think it was discontinued?

 

Now, do you really think that there are thousands of pictures of 127mm-long Majors from late-1938-1942?

 

Intentionally wrong in referring newly to the '30s.

 

I'll also point out that in all the catalog pictures you have provided through 1941, the Slender Maxima has a wider cap band than does the Major. Therefore, by your reasoning, any slender Vacumatic from any of those years that does not have the wider cap band cannot be a Slender Maxima. Right?

 

Wrong and wrong intentionally. That was clear above. We are not talking about years in which catalogs are known

 

This is very simple. You claim that the Major from late-1938 through 1942 was 127mm long. Your entire case rests on this claim. All you need to do to support this claim is to produce evidence of all these extremely common pens.

 

Wrong conclusions.

 

I do not claim anything and even less about 1938-1941.

 

But I do say that after 1941 I know, among others,

 

- 2 Vacumatic ringed of 135 mm, one 13.5 mm diameter and another with 15 mm. diameter with narrow chevron band chevron and two vertical on the side .

 

- 1 Vacumatic of 127 mm and 13.5 mm diameter with narrow chevron band and only one vertical in the band.

 

I also say that vacs ringed of 135 mm long and 13.5 mm. diameter listed by Parker on verifiable documents were called Maxima.

 

and I conclude :

 

Than having the same band as other larger diameter, sharing the maximum length and knowing that Parker called Maxima or Maxima Slender and not Major nor Long Major deserve to be called Maxima. This is not a complaint because I nothing claim. Simply make public my opinion to Pendom. But I respect that others call Long Major to 135-13,5 mm. and ¿Fat Long Major for 135-15 mm from a certain point?

 

The vacs are what they are and have the features they have. I show my disagreement and why I consider improper for Parker, by unfortunate even from the point of view of marketing, with this designation "Long Major" made by collectors. I have expressed my opinion about what I find unfortunate the term "Long Major" and the same reasons for not accepting it. That's all, folks!

 

 

Edited February 12, 2014 by Lazard 20

[Lazard 20]

Ah! I forgot. In the future I keep calling them, the 135-13,5 mm Slender Maxima ( ) with the same right, or more, than you called them Long Major. Simple collectors.name,

Edited February 12, 2014 by Lazard 20

[kirchh]

  On 2/12/2014 at 10:48 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

  On 2/12/2014 at 1:51 PM, kirchh said:

You claim that the Major from late-1938 through the early 1940s is 127mm long, and has the same-width cap band and the same nib as the Slender Maxima. You claim there are thousands of photos showing such pens from this time period. Yet, you cannot offer even a single example.

 

False. We are talking about vacumatic afther 1941.

 

 

 

Now you are simply being dishonest.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)." None of those pens is "after 1941."

 

Are you now retracting all those identifications? Do you now admit that those 135mm pens you showed from 1939, 1940, and 1941 with the narrower cap band are actually Majors, not Slender Maximas?

 

You have also repeatedly claimed that there is no time period during which the Major was the same length as the Slender Maxima.

 

Are you now retracting that claim? Do you now admit that for a few years, starting in late 1938, the Major was the same length as the Slender Maxima?

 

 

  Quote

 

 

Why would you not be able to post pictures of 127mm Majors from late-1938 through 1942?

 

Incorrect. We are talking about vacumatic afther 1941.

 

You are being dishonest.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)." None of those pens is "after 1941."

 

 

  Quote

 

 

Why would you not be able to post pictures showing a 127mm Major next to a Slender Maxima with the same-width cap band from late-1938 through the end of the run of the Slender Maxima?

 

Wrong about 1938. False on other considerations. I upload two Major afther 1941 next to Slender many time ago. Here they are again.

 

http://s24.postimg.org/5cu4x5lxh/SLENDER_MAXIMA_COMPARATIVA.jpg

 

 

You are being very dishonest, and evasive.

 

I didn't ask you to show Majors "after 1941". I specifically asked you to show Majors from late-1938 through 1941 next to Slender Maximas from the same time period.

 

You have repeatedly failed to do that.

 

You have claimed that there are thousands of pictures of Majors from that time period showing them to be 127mm long. Yet, you cannot produce a single such picture.

 

Why?

 

You collect Vacumatics. Majors are very common models. Surely, therefore, you have many Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941. Yet, you refuse to post pictures of them showing the date codes and length.

 

Why?

 

Why are you unable to post pictures of Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941 next to Slender Maximas from the same years?

 

Such a simple request. Yet, you continue to evade it.

 

 

  Quote

 

 

Doubly wrong because today I have provided the link to an unbiased site where are some 135 mm double vertical and 127 mm single vertical.

 

Again, you are being very dishonest. I never asked for a link to a site showing single or double verticals. I am very disappointed in this obvious evasion.

 

You claimed that pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 that are slender and 135mm long and having the narrow cap band and smaller nib are Slender Maximas. You do not dispute that there are Slender Maximas from 1939, 1940, and 1941 that have the wider cap band and the larger nib; your own catalog illustrations show this. You claim that Parker was offering these two different models at the same time for several years and calling both models the Slender Maxima and selling both for the same price.

 

Are you retracting your claim now?

 

  Quote

 

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the "||" band designates a Maxima model. None whatsoever.

 

I appreciate that you recognize my contribution about "||" band but this has not been alone. I have also shown that Parker called Maxima no Major, when they did, the 135 mm and 13, 5 mm. I also will show in the coming days that vac. of 135 mm and 15 mm. of those dates also shared the double vertical as opposed to the 127 mm.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)." None of those pens is "after 1941."

 

Are you retracting your claim?

 

Or do you still claim that the slender 135mm-long pens with narrower cap bands and smaller nibs from 1939, 1940, and 1941 are Slender Maximas, and the pens of the same dimensions from the same years but with the wider cap bands and larger nibs are also Slender Maximas?

 

How long was the Major in 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

Where are all these thousands of pictures of 127mm-long Majors from those years?

 

 

  Quote

 

Again, you have mixed up implication with equivalence. Just because Maximas are found with a "||" band, it does not mean that therefore all pens with a "||" band are Maximas. Just because all squares have four sides, it does not follow that all shapes with four sides are squares.

 

I could be mixing homogeneous elements, namely: vertical double with double vertical band , Maximas of 135 mm with Maximas of 135 mm, but What are you mixing? 135 mm with 127 mm? Double vertical with single vertical? Who is inconsistent?

 

You are.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)." Yet now you say you are only talking about pens after 1941.

 

How long was the Major in 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

Where are all these thousands of pictures of 127mm-long Majors from those years?

 

  Quote

 

 

I think that the late-1938-1942ish slender Blue Diamond Vacumatic that is 135mm long, having the Major-width cap band and the Major-sized nib was called the Major and sold for $8.75.

 

You think? This is not so easy, not just think, you must to be with yourself picky as you are to me if not more. You have to show what you think with graphic evidence and reliably. In 1942 there are ads with pen-pencil sets of $8.75, $12.75 and $15 confirming us Major $8.75 price and $10 or more for Maxima.

 

How dishonest. Now you refer to 1942 ads and pricing that is not in dispute.

 

But you claimed that Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941 are 127mm long, not 135mm long.

 

And you claimed that slender 135mm-long pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 with narrow cap bands and Major-sized nibs are Slender Maximas. And you also claimed that during 1939, 1940, and 1941, there were two very different configurations of the Slender Maxima, but Parker did not distinguish between them, and sold them at the same time as a single model for $10.00. One version had the narrower band and smaller nib, and the other version had the wider band and the larger nib.

 

You claimed that the 1939, 1940, and 1941 Major was 127mm long, and that there were thousands of pictures of such pens.

 

Where are they?

 

You must have many such 127mm-long Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941; you are a serious Vacumatic collector, and Majors are very common models.

 

Where are your pictures of these Majors?

 

  Quote

 

I think that during the same time period (until the model was discontinued), the slender Blue Diamond Vacumatic that is 135mm long, having the wider cap band and larger nib, was called the Slender Maxima and sold for $10.00.

 

You think? newly this is not so easy, not just think. You must to show some Slender of 1943 with wider cap band and larger nib. When do you think it was discontinued?

 

Why must I show a slender Vacumatic of 1943 with wider cap band and larger nib? I never claimed such a pen exists. You are fabricating my position. How dishonest.

 

  Quote

 

Now, do you really think that there are thousands of pictures of 127mm-long Majors from late-1938-1942?

 

Intentionally wrong in referring newly to the '30s.

 

Again, you are dishonest. You claimed that Majors from 1939 are 127mm long.

 

You are also being terribly evasive. What about 1940? What about 1941?

 

Where are these thousands of pictures of 127mm-long Majors from those years that you claimed existed? Where are the pictures of all your 127mm-long Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

Why did you claim that the pens you showed from 1939, 1940, and 1941 with narrow bands are Slender Maximas, when the catalog pictures you posted from those same years show the Slender Maxima with a wide band?

 

Why won't you address these simple questions?

 

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I'll also point out that in all the catalog pictures you have provided through 1941, the Slender Maxima has a wider cap band than does the Major. Therefore, by your reasoning, any slender Vacumatic from any of those years that does not have the wider cap band cannot be a Slender Maxima. Right?

 

Wrong and wrong intentionally. That was clear above. We are not talking about years in which catalogs are known

 

How dishonest.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)." You posted catalog pictures from those same years. Yet now you say you are not talking about years in which catalogs are known.

 

How long was the Major in 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

  Quote

 

This is very simple. You claim that the Major from late-1938 through 1942 was 127mm long. Your entire case rests on this claim. All you need to do to support this claim is to produce evidence of all these extremely common pens.

 

Wrong conclusions.

 

I do not claim anything and even less about 1938-1941.

 

Again, you are being terribly dishonest, and the proof is right here in this thread in your own words.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)." You posted catalog pictures from those same years. Yet now you say you do not claim anything and even less about 1938-1941.

 

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But I do say that after 1941 I know, among others,

 

- 2 Vacumatic ringed of 135 mm, one 13.5 mm diameter and another with 15 mm. diameter with narrow chevron band chevron and two vertical on the side .

 

- 1 Vacumatic of 127 mm and 13.5 mm diameter with narrow chevron band and only one vertical in the band.

 

I also say that vacs ringed of 135 mm long and 13.5 mm. diameter listed by Parker on verifiable documents were called Maxima.

 

and I conclude :

 

Than having the same band as other larger diameter, sharing the maximum length and knowing that Parker called Maxima or Maxima Slender and not Major nor Long Major deserve to be called Maxima. This is not a complaint because I nothing claim. Simply make public my opinion to Pendom. But I respect that others call Long Major to 135-13,5 mm. and ¿Fat Long Major for 135-15 mm from a certain point?

 

The vacs are what they are and have the features they have. I show my disagreement and why I consider improper for Parker, by unfortunate even from the point of view of marketing, with this designation "Long Major" made by collectors. I have expressed my opinion about what I find unfortunate the term "Long Major" and the same reasons for not accepting it. That's all, folks!

 

You claimed that the pen Parker called the Major in 1939, 1940, and 1941 was 127mm long. Yet, you cannot provide even a single photo of such a pen, which must be extremely common.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 with narrow cap bands and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)."

 

You claimed that Parker simultaneously offered two different models during 1939, 1940, and 1941: One with a wider cap band and larger nib, and the other with a narrower cap band and smaller nib. You claimed that Parker called both models "Slender Maxima" and sold them for the same price during those years.

 

You claimed there were thousands of photos of 127mm-long Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941. But you are unable to post any.

 

You collect Vacumatics, and claim that the Major in 1939, 1940, and 1941 is 127mm long. You must have many examples. But you are unable to post any pictures of them.

 

You have no evidence. Your claim fails. Completely.

 

--Daniel

Edited February 13, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

  On 2/12/2014 at 11:14 PM, Lazard 20 said:

Ah! I forgot. In the future I keep calling them, the 135-13,5 mm Slender Maxima ( ) with the same right, or more, than you called them Long Major. Simple collectors.name,

 

False.

 

You claim the Major from 1939, 1940, and 1941 is 127mm long.

 

Where are the thousands of pictures of these pens?

 

Where are your pictures of your 127mm-long Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

Do you have any Majors from those years in your collection?

 

Do you have any pictures of Majors from those years?

 

Have you ever seen any Majors from those years?

 

Where are all these pens?

 

--Daniel

[kirchh]

Here are two Vacumatics:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/Long_Major_and_Slender_Maxima.jpg

 

Now, Lazard, if these pens are both 135mm long, and if they are both from the second quarter of 1940, would you claim they are the same model -- the Slender Maxima?

 

If you claim they would both be Slender Maximas, why would Parker offer one model that has two different versions like this simultaneously for several years? Why would only one version be shown in catalogs, as you have posted? And where are all the examples of the 1940 Major, which you claim is only 127mm long?

 

If, on the other hand, you agree that they would not be the same model, what two models do you say they represent? The Slender Maxima on the right, and....which model on the left?

 

Simple questions. Do you have answers?

 

--Daniel

[FarmBoy]

I need a drink.

 

I'd answer Daniel's question but it wouldn't help.

[Hooker56]

+ 1 Farmboy, I'm buying. Daniel, were you in the movie,'Rainman?'

 

Hope you know I'm just kidding. I appreciate you keeping the line pure.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Hooker56

[Lazard 20]

  On 2/13/2014 at 12:23 AM, kirchh said:

 

Now you are simply being dishonest.

 

Someone could understand that these adjectives ad hominem reflect the absence of your arguments.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)." None of those pens is "after 1941."

 

Are you now retracting all those identifications? Do you now admit that those 135mm pens you showed from 1939, 1940, and 1941 with the narrower cap band are actually Majors, not Slender Maximas?

 

I have written to keep calling them Slender Maxima as simple collector name.

 

You are being very dishonest, and evasive.

 

Increasing the tone of personal adjectives someone could understand that reflect the absence of your arguments.

 

I didn't ask you to show Majors "after 1941". I specifically asked you to show Majors from late-1938 through 1941 next to Slender Maximas from the same time period.

 

You have claimed that there are thousands of pictures of Majors from that time period showing them to be 127mm long. Yet, you cannot produce a single such picture.

 

Why?

 

Why? Oh yes, now I remember, I'm talking about, again, from 1941 and afther so I understand that your claim will not be successful.

 

You collect Vacumatics. Majors are very common models. Surely, therefore, you have many Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941. Yet, you refuse to post pictures of them showing the date codes and length.

 

Why?

 

B´cause I'm talking about, again, from 1941 and afther so I understand that your claim will not be successful.

 

 

Why are you unable to post pictures of Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941 next to Slender Maximas from the same years?

 

B´cause I'm talking about, again, from 1941 and afther. It is possible that at some point you've lost so I understand that your claim will not be successful.

 

Such a simple request. Yet, you continue to evade it.

 

B´cause I'm talking about, again, from 1941 and afther so I understand that your claim will not be successful.

 

Again, you are being very dishonest. I never asked for a link to a site showing single or double verticals. I am very disappointed in this obvious evasion.

 

Increasing the tone of personal adjectives someone could understand that reflect the absence of your arguments.

 

You claimed that pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 that are slender and 135mm long and having the narrow cap band and smaller nib are Slender Maximas. You do not dispute that there are Slender Maximas from 1939, 1940, and 1941 that have the wider cap band and the larger nib; your own catalog illustrations show this. You claim that Parker was offering these two different models at the same time for several years and calling both models the Slender Maxima and selling both for the same price.

 

Here is a post, here is another, and here is a third.in which you showed several pictures of pens from 1939, 1940, and 1941 and claimed they were Slender Maximas: "Some nice examples of Maximas (Slender if we want last name)." None of those pens is "after 1941."

 

I´m claim nothing about this years and I have written to keep calling them Slender Maxima as simple collector name.

 

Or do you still claim that the slender 135mm-long pens with narrower cap bands and smaller nibs from 1939, 1940, and 1941 are Slender Maximas, and the pens of the same dimensions from the same years but with the wider cap bands and larger nibs are also Slender Maximas?

 

I´m claim nothing about this years.

 

How long was the Major in 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

As I have hinted that will only matter to you.

 

Where are all these thousands of pictures of 127mm-long Majors from those years?

 

Manufactured years 42, 43 and following with 127 mm, and a single vertical chevron band there dozens of them daily on eBay, for example. There are also some more in the website that I linked for you and any specialized web site and, of course, in the next PenShow you visit.

 

But you're confused. The 127 mm of years in cuestion are Major and with only "|" one vertical generally. Please remind we are talking only about 1941 and following, with 135 mm total, 61 mm long cap, 13,5 diameter in cap band and "||" verticals limiting engraving area. (Please center yourself on these considerations because I quote the 127 mm with 1 vertical of years in cuestion only and precisely to distinguish them from 135 mm double vertical, just for that).

 

How long was the Major in 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

This group of years is not in debate

 

How dishonest. Now you refer to 1942 ads and pricing that is not in dispute.

 

It was deemed necessary so that readers could be satisfied that in 1942 there were 3 diferent prices >= $8,75 . ¿Debutante-debutante band, Major-1 vertical band and Maxima-2 verticals bands? On the other hand you do not need to resort to adjectives to argue

 

But you claimed that Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941 are 127mm long, not 135mm long.

 

This group of years is not in debate

 

You are also being terribly evasive. What about 1940? What about 1941?

 

I could be elusive with aspects that is not in dispute but it is also possible, because absence of your arguments, you find me evasive.

 

Where are these thousands of pictures of 127mm-long Majors from those years that you claimed existed? Where are the pictures of all your 127mm-long Majors from 1939, 1940, and 1941?

 

1939 and 1940 are not concerned as I have been repeatedly saying. 1941 and following Majors I will send a few when I have a moment to photograph them. Quiet, calm.

 

Why did you claim that the pens you showed from 1929, 1940, and 1941 with narrow bands are Slender Maximas, when the catalog pictures you posted from those same years show the Slender Maxima with a wide band?

 

Why won't you address these simple questions?

 

Simply b´cause 1940 does not matter and 1929 , unless.

 

You have no evidence. Your claim fails. Completely.

 

No comments.

 

--Daniel

Edited February 13, 2014 by Lazard 20

[Lazard 20]

  On 2/12/2014 at 3:17 AM, kirchh said:

http://s28.postimg.org/n6rxbd3vx/1939_2_T_goldenr_maxima_2_VERTICALES.jpg

 

 

I'll help straighten this out by labeling these pens correctly.

 

 

That's a Slender Maxima.. Notice the wider cap band.

 

--Daniel

 

i dont know the diameter but I could be agree. It has two vertical so could be Slender Maxima.

Edited February 13, 2014 by Lazard 20