Parker Vacumatic Maxima?

[kirchh]

Lazard -

 

To refresh your memory, here are some examples of when you were told what the Parker model name was for the 135mm-long slender pen with narrower cap band:

 

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"'Long Major' is not an original Parker term.

It is a term used by pen collectors, in recent years, to differentiate between the most common Majors of the mid- to late 1940s and the less common longer Majors of the end of the '30s and beginning of the '40s."

 

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The term "Long Major" is a collector term, not a Parker term. It refers to the Major model from a certain time period, which was longer than the Major from the previous or following period

 

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"There is no such model as a Long Major, but the "long" descriptor is added to differentiate late 1938-1942 pens from earlier and later Majors which feature shorter stock. This pen often is wrongly labelled "Slender Maxima", which is a subtly different pen."

 

 

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One model, with a narrower cap band and smaller nib, is actually a Major. Collectors today refer to these Majors, which are longer than the Majors of earlier or later years, as "Long Majors." They represent the version of the Major made during the period from the end of 1938 through the start of 1943.

 

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That's a Major (called a "Long Major" by collectors, to distinguish it from the shorter versions that preceded and followed it).

 

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That's a Major (collector term="Long Major" per above). Note the narrower cap band.

 

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the ~135mm pen with the narrower cap band and the smaller nib was the Major (collectors call these "Long Majors").

 

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They're Majors -- what collectors call "Long Majors."

 

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The pen with the narrower cap band and the smaller nib is the Major (so-called "Long Major").

 

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I think that the late-1938-1942ish slender Blue Diamond Vacumatic that is 135mm long, having the Major-width cap band and the Major-sized nib was called the Major

 

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I, and other collectors, have claimed that Parker called the long slender pen with the narrower cap band and smaller nib the "Major" (collector name, "Long Major"),

 

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I say Parker called that model the Major,

 

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The Major was a less-expensive ($8.75) pen that had been a little shorter (at about 127mm) than the more-expensive ($10.00) Slender Maxima (~135mm), though the pens were the same girth. The Major had a smaller nib and narrower cap band; the Slender Maxima had a larger nib and wider cap band. But because at a certain point in the late-1930s, the Major was lengthened to the same length as the Slender Maxima, some collectors mistakenly identify that longer version of the Major as being the Slender Maxima, but it's not; the two models are easily distinguished by examining the width of the cap band. That's the error that Lazard has been making for a few months over the course of this thread; it's a common misconception among those not specifically knowledgeable about the Vacumatic models' development during that time period. Eventually, in the early '40s, the Major was shortened again.

 

Collectors refer collectively to those Majors that were longer as "Long Majors" to distinguish them from the earlier and later shorter versions. This is a well-understood collectors' term in the hobby. Parker continued to simply call them "Majors."

 

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But there are still some who are newer to this area who mistake the longer Major of late-'38 though early-'43 for a Slender Maxima, as this thread demonstrates.

 

Does that answer your question -- again?

 

--Daniel

Edited February 14, 2014 by kirchh

[Lazard 20]

Well, we know for a long time ago that was discontinued - I do not remember saying the contrary-. What does that have to do with Long Major, narrow band and double or single vertical?

Watch the authentic reality again. You base your opinion in words and invented collectors names but here you are the reality immutable.

It's what I wanted to show on this post and has been proved.
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A. Long Major name is not Parker´s name . Immutable. Consistent.
B. 4 pens of the dark ages ones, with 127 mm and one vertical, others with 135 mm and vertical double. All with narrow band. Consistent.

Really immutable.

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Edited February 14, 2014 by Lazard 20

[kirchh]

  On 2/14/2014 at 9:17 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

Watch the authentic reality again. You base your opinion in words and invented collectors names but here you are the reality immutable.

 

 

Can you find different words? I don't think those are the ones you want.

 

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A. Major Long name is not Parker.

 

I assume you meant, "Long Major".

 

I told you that two months ago. Have you forgotten that, too?

 

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B. 4 pens of the dark ages ones, with 127 mm and one vertical, others with 135 mm and vertical double.

 

What about them?

 

They're all Majors.

 

In case you haven't been paying attention -- and it's pretty clear you haven't -- the Major was longer from about late 1938 through 1942 (maybe a little longer).

 

You said there are thousands of pictures of Majors from that time showing that they are 127mm long.

 

Where are those pictures?

 

You said the 135mm long slender pens with narrower cap bands from 1939, 1940, and 1941 were Slender Maximas. Are you retracting your claim?

 

Do you claim that Parker offered a Slender Maxima model in 1942 and later?

 

What is the model name of the pen on the left below? Don't be shy. You know the answer.

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/Long_Major_and_Slender_Maxima.jpg

 

What did Parker call the pen on the left?

 

--Daniel

Edited February 14, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

  On 2/14/2014 at 8:16 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

That is precisely the problem because, What is the name given for Parker in 1945 for the fountain pen of 1945 object of this post with 135 mm? Long Major?

 

You were told two months ago that "Long Major" is not a Parker name. Are you being dishonest or merely extremely forgetful?

 

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On the other hand, What is the name given for Parker for this fountain pen of 1941, of 135 mm for example? Long Major?

http://s16.postimg.org/u1774t8qd/1941_4_T_m_xima_134mm_2_verticales.jpg

 

 

That's a Slender Maxima. Notice the wider cap band and larger nib.

 

But in this post and this post, you said the 135mm-long 1941 pen with narrower cap band was also a Slender Maxima.

 

Which is it? Have you made up your mind?

 

 

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One of "dark years" of 127 mm, 58 mm. cap. narrow band with one vertical

 

Pen 3000-S Parker Vacumatic 3rd Gen Emerald Pearl 1945

http://vacumania.com/websitesalespics/pen3000sd.jpg

 

Overall Grade: Fine-Xf Metal: Exc Color: Exc CLICK FOR LARGER PIC Nib condition: Exc Threads: Perfect clarity: Modest Amber Point: M- TWO TONE** Imprint: Exc Size: 5 1/8" 12.8 cm PRICE: COMMENTS: Third Generation Vacumatic Major and Junior are popular entry-to-series pens, providing good size at reasonable cost. This one packs a nice medium nib, full two tone effect date code for 1946. Two tone nibs are not "expected" this late, but two tone 1946 nibs are known.

 

 

That's a Major. As has been explained to you over and over (and over and over...) again, the Major was longer from late 1938 through 1942 or early 1943, and then it again became shorter. Are you having difficulty comprehending this? If so, please explain what confuses you.

 

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Other case:

 

Parker never used "Long Major", so which were the names of these 135 mm and two vertical narrow chevron band and her contemporaries of 127 mm and one vertical an narrow band too?

 

Are you claiming that you have slender 135mm pens with narrow band and slender 127mm pens with narrow band with the same date code? Please post pictures of these pairs of pens.

 

 

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These four pens are post-1941. 2 with the 127 mm. 58 mm cap, 13,5 mm diameter narrow band and only one vertical chevron band, and 2 with 135 mm 61 mm cap 13,5 diameter narrow band and two verticals chevron band. Did they have the same name for Parker´s?

 

 

 

Yes. They're Majors. You claim incorrectly that Parker called the longer pens Slender Maximas.

 

As has been explained to you over and over (and over and over and over...) again, the Major was longer from late 1938 through 1942 or early 1943, and then it again became shorter. Are you having difficulty comprehending this? If so, please explain what confuses you.

 

What was Parker's model name for the pen on the left in the photo below?

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/Long_Major_and_Slender_Maxima.jpg

 

I'm looking forward to your answer. Fortunately, I can focus to infinity.

 

--Daniel

Edited February 15, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

  On 2/14/2014 at 9:17 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

Well, we know for a long time ago that was discontinued - I do not remember saying the contrary

 

Are you finally admitting that the Slender Maxima's last year was 1941, and that there was no Slender Maxima in 1942?

 

--Daniel

[kirchh]

For anyone who has skipped to the last page, I'll highlight one of the main points of disagreement here.

 

Lazard has claimed that the two configurations shown below, in Parker's line at the same time for several years, were both called "Slender Maxima" by Parker:

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/Long_Major_and_Slender_Maxima.jpg

 

I (and other collectors knowledgeable about this subject) say that the model on the left is the Major, which was longer for a few years in the late '30s through the early '40s.

 

Lazard has said that he has many examples of Majors from those years that are not longer, but he seems unable to post any pictures of these pens.

 

--Daniel

[Lazard 20]

  On 2/14/2014 at 9:42 PM, kirchh said:

 

Yes. They're Majors. You claim incorrectly that Parker called the longer pens Slender Maximas.

 

--Daniel

 

 

 

False. Absolutely false. I reflected what they measure and its characteristic bands and threw a question to Pendom. I have not claimed that this fountain pen Parker called them Slender Maxima. Fair play, please.

 

"These four pens are post-1941. 2 with the 127 mm. 58 mm cap, 13,5 mm diameter narrow band and only one vertical chevron band, and 2 with 135 mm 61 mm cap 13,5 diameter narrow band and two verticals chevron band. Did they have the same name for Parker´s?"

 

On the other hand, well; if both 4 was called Major by Parker -although you do not contribute any evidence of it, only words- from this post, with my humble contribution, collectors can talk now about Major 1 vertical chevron band (and 127 mm.) and Major 2 verticals chevron band (and 135 mm) without confuse nor use the non Parker and unwise name "Long Major".

 

It is good. See you how this post can be helpful?

Edited February 14, 2014 by Lazard 20

[kirchh]

  On 2/14/2014 at 10:46 PM, Lazard 20 said:

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kirchh, on 14 Feb 2014 - 16:42, said:

 

 

Yes. They're Majors. You claim incorrectly that Parker called the longer pens Slender Maximas.

 

--Daniel

 

 

False. Absolutely false. I reflected what they measure and its characteristic bands and threw a question to Pendom. I have not claimed that this fountain pen Parker called them Slender Maxima. Fair play, please.

 

Lazard, you are very dishonest.

 

In this post, you posted this picture:

 

 

The picture you post now...

 

 

...is a crop from the same picture you posted earlier, but you changed it. You have erased the words "Slender Maxima" from above the longer pens.

 

Here's what your picture looked like before you erased the words "Slender Maxima":

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/Lazards_Lie_Unmasked.jpg

 

I am so disappointed that you have sunk to this level.

 

--Daniel

Edited February 15, 2014 by kirchh

[Lazard 20]

Lazard, you are very dishonest.

 

False, completely false and perhaps unfair. Once Pendom acknowledged that Long Major was an invented name (something many collectors did not know certainly), two months ago, I said that as a collector Lazard's name I would naming Slender Maxima to 135 mm. 13.5 mm diameter and narrow double vertical chevron band and my reasons for that (until we know real Parker name, of course).

 

I said -and you and another have recognized- that Parker did not call them Long Major and that so I am sensitive for many years ago to the last known reference to Parker for this length and this diameter and keep calling so, with the last known Parker´s referenced name for this measures aprox 135 mm/13,5mm. But I never said that Parker called them one way or another, just that it was not Long Major.

In order not to recommence this controversy, nor bored with the same matter FPN readers and especially because you would feel offended, or caused you to feel, omitted reflect on the last picture. I considered it best for you not for me. But let's be clear, your unfortunate personal adjective, forces me back to it. So, as clear as I said, exactly I said -two months ago too, do you remember?-:

 

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 20:04

 

Please note that all of your evidence is that Long Major not exist... and could not exist.

 

El term "Long Major" make another model, the Major, small, dismissively, and it is unthinkable in Parker Advertising Departament. Instead the Slender Maxima rises to the Maxima without damaging other models.

 

"If Kenneth Parker could lifted his head! I will continue speaking of Slender Maxima (*), sensible and last Parker(*) known reference, to be quiet if this happens."

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But please do not make me remember it each input.

 

(*) current emphasis.

 

 

 

In another hand, here you are some vacs -when I´ve had time to take the picture as I said- of the "dark years" with127 mm length, 13,5 mm diameter and narrow single vertical chevron band.

 

http://s18.postimg.org/9yblqzrcp/PIC_1161_1100_pix.jpg

 

 

 

Some others vacs. ±127 mm. long taken from Ebay today (as I said there are everyday).

 

1942 1942 1942 1943 1944 1944 1944 1945 1946

 

 

I regret to say that for me this is already a finished subject where I proved what I wanted, namely;

 

- Long Major is a false Parker name for 135 mm. long and double vertical.
-That the previous section allows me to call them as I consider convenient.
-That, after a certain point, the vacs 135 mm, regardless of their diameter, are distinguished with two vertical chevron band.

(Aspect comment for the first time, save mistake, in Pendom)
-That, after a certain point, the 127mm vacs are distinguished by a single vertical chevron band.

(Aspect comment for the first time, save mistake, in Pendom)

 

It is more than enough for a single thread. I will be happy to participate in another thread with bands and names of pre-"51"vacs. We see.

Edited February 15, 2014 by Lazard 20

[kirchh]

  On 2/15/2014 at 9:20 AM, Lazard 20 said:

Lazard, you are very dishonest.

 

False, completely false and perhaps unfair. Once Pendom acknowledged that Long Major was an invented name (something many collectors did not know certainly), two months ago, I said that as a collector Lazard's name I would naming Slender Maxima to 135 mm. 13.5 mm diameter and narrow double vertical chevron band and my reasons for that (until we know real Parker name, of course).

 

I said -and you and another have recognized- that Parker did not call them Long Major and that so I am sensitive for many years ago to the last known reference to Parker for this length and this diameter and keep calling so, with the last known Parker´s referenced name for this measures aprox 135 mm/13,5mm. But I never said that Parker called them one way or another, just that it was not Long Major.

 

In order not to recommence this controversy, nor bored with the same matter FPN readers and especially because you would feel offended, or caused you to feel, omitted reflect on the last picture. I considered it best for you not for me. But let's be clear, your unfortunate personal adjective, forces me back to it. So, as clear as I said, exactly I said -two months ago too, do you remember?-:

 

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Posted 22 December 2013 - 20:04

 

Please note that all of your evidence is that Long Major not exist... and could not exist.

 

El term "Long Major" make another model, the Major, small, dismissively, and it is unthinkable in Parker Advertising Departament. Instead the Slender Maxima rises to the Maxima without damaging other models.

 

"If Kenneth Parker could lifted his head! I will continue speaking of Slender Maxima (*), sensible and last Parker(*) known reference, to be quiet if this happens."

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But please do not make me remember it each input.

 

(*) current emphasis.

 

 

 

In another hand, here you are some vacs -when I´ve had time to take the picture as I said- of the "dark years" with127 mm length, 13,5 mm diameter and narrow single vertical chevron band.

 

http://s18.postimg.org/9yblqzrcp/PIC_1161_1100_pix.jpg

 

I regret to say that for me this is already a finished subject where I proved what I wanted, namely;

 

- Long Major is a false Parker name for 135 mm. long and double vertical.

-That the previous section allows me to call them as I consider convenient.

-That, after a certain point, the vacs 135 mm, regardless of their diameter, are distinguished with two vertical chevron band.

(Aspect comment for the first time, save mistake, in Pendom)

-That, after a certain point, the 127mm vacs are distinguished by a single vertical chevron band.

(Aspect comment for the first time, save mistake, in Pendom)

 

It is more than enough for a single thread. I will be happy to participate in another thread with bands and names of pre-"51"vacs. We see.

 

Your dishonesty is breathtaking.

 

You were told two months ago that the pens were Majors.

 

You were told two months ago that collectors call them Long Majors, and that Parker did not call them that. Yet you continue to argue against a position that no one has. That's called a straw man, and it's a very dishonest argument tactic.

 

You insisted, instead, that the "real name" of this model was "Slender Maxima".You were wrong. You were told more than a dozen times that the pens were Majors. Then you asked what model name they had. You pretended that the question had not already been answered over a dozen times. That's dishonest.

 

You said that this model, as long as the Maxima and as thin as the Major, is a Slender Maxima. Now you deny ever having said that. Dishonest.

 

You said that Parker Slender Maximas of the '40s do not have a broad band nor a Maxima nib. You were wrong. You now claim you never said that. Dishonest.

 

In an attempt to support your claim that these longer pens could not be Majors, you said all Parker Majors were about 127mm long. You were wrong. You claimed you had many Majors from 1941 that were 127mm long, and that you would post pictures of those 1941 pens. But you don't really have those pens. So dishonest.

 

You said "we're talking about AS Parker called this fountain pen," and you said that name was "Slender Maxima." Now you deny that you said that. The dishonesty continues to pile up.

 

You said the slender pen that was 135mm long was always called "Slender Maxima" by Parker, and never "Major". You now deny that you said that. Amazing dishonesty.

 

You said Parker distinguished the Maxima from the Major by the length and the presence of two vertical lines on the cap band, regardless of the width of the cap band, so the 135mm-long pen with narrower cap band was called Maxima by Parker. You now deny having said that. Dishonest.

 

You said the 135mm-long pen with narrower cap band was called Slender Maxima, not Major. Now you deny saying that. Incredibly dishonest.

 

You have repeatedly said that at a certain point in the 1940s, Parker changed the cap band for their Slender Maxima model to the narrower band of the Major, and also made the nib smaller. Now you deny saying that. So dishonest.

 

You said Parker called all the 135mm pens "Maximas". Now you deny saying that. You're dishonest

 

You said the 135mm pen with narrow band cannot be a Major. You now deny saying that. Dishonest.

 

You have posted multiple pictures of 135mm-long pens with narrower cap bands from 1939, 1940, and 1941, and you identified all those pens as Slender Maximas. You later said, "I do not claim anything and even less about 1938-1941." Very dishonest.

 

In an attempt to support your claim that these longer pens could not be Majors, you said you had contemporaneous slender Vacumatics with narrower bands in both 127mm and 135mm lengths. But you don't really have those pens. Terribly dishonest.

 

You claimed there is a 1942 Slender Maxima. Now, you say you knew all along that the Slender Maxima was discontinued after 1941. More dishonesty.

 

You said you didn't want to use a collectors' name for these pens; you wanted to use Parker's "real name" name for them, and you claimed that "real name" was "Slender Maxima". You now deny having said that. Again, dishonest.

 

Finally, you posted a picture showing two 135mm-long pens with narrow bands, and you denied ever having identified those pens as Slender Maximas. But you altered the photo to conceal the fact that you had those pens labeled "Slender Maxima" in the original, un-altered image. Sadly dishonest.

 

Have you learned anything from this experience? What is the correct Parker model name of the longer pens in this picture?

 

http://home.comcast.net/~kirchh/Misc/Long_Major/Lazards_Lie_Unmasked.jpg

 

Do you have the courage to answer honestly?

 

--Daniel

[kirchh]

  On 2/15/2014 at 9:20 AM, Lazard 20 said:

I said that as a collector Lazard's name I would naming Slender Maxima to 135 mm. 13.5 mm diameter and narrow double vertical chevron band and my reasons for that (until we know real Parker name, of course).

 

I said -and you and another have recognized- that Parker did not call them Long Major and that so I am sensitive for many years ago to the last known reference to Parker for this length and this diameter and keep calling so, with the last known Parker´s referenced name for this measures aprox 135 mm/13,5mm. But I never said that Parker called them one way or another

 

Are you unaware that all your earlier posts are still visible in this thread, and so any FPN reader can determine that you are being completely untruthful?

 

12/22/2013@03:24: "Major has a length of 128.2 mm vs 134.2 of the Slender [Maxima]....it is useful to call each Vacumatic by his real name"

 

12/22/2013@15:04: "This model, long as Maxima and thin as Major is that; Slender Maxima"

 

2/11/2014@4:51: "We're talking about AS Parker called this fountain pen"

 

2/11/2014@5:24: "We know that this Parker vac of 135 mm long and 13,5 mm cap band was called Maxima as first or last name, but always Maxima and [n]ever Major"

 

2/11/2014@5:24: "Parker therefore easily distinguish the Maxima in length and cap band, It's easy since the chevron band "closed" is imposed; Maxima -135 mm and "two verticals" closing the engraving zone chevron band - vs Major -127 mm and "one vertical" closing the engraving zone chevron band-."

 

2/12/2014@2:24: "from one point of the years ´40 Maximas -both 15 mm and those of 13, 5 mm in diameter- have not wider cap band."

 

2/12/2014@17:48: "I have also shown that Parker called Maxima no Major, when they did, the 135 mm and 13, 5 mm."

 

2/12/2014@17:48: "I also say that vacs ringed of 135 mm long and 13.5 mm. diameter listed by Parker on verifiable documents were called Maxima."

 

2/12/2014@17:48: "Than having the same band as other larger diameter, sharing the maximum length and knowing that Parker called Maxima or Maxima Slender and not Major"

 

2/12/2014@2:38: "135 mm. long were called Slender Maxima or Maxima -this is not debatable is reflected as well in catalogs"

 

2/12/2014@2:38: "we know it was called Maxima all 135 mm, both 15 mm in diameter as 13.5 mm"

 

So dishonest.

 

--Daniel

Edited February 16, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

  On 2/15/2014 at 9:20 AM, Lazard 20 said:

Some others vacs. ±127 mm. long taken from Ebay today (as I said there are everyday).

 

1942 1942 1942

 

Lazard, your dishonesty is stunning.

 

Did you really think no one would bother to check your links, and that you would get away with this deception?

 

None of those pens is from 1942.

 

It is astonishing the lengths to which you will go in your failing attempt to support your false claims.

 

--Daniel

[kirchh]

  On 2/12/2014 at 10:48 PM, Lazard 20 said:

 

  On 2/12/2014 at 1:51 PM, kirchh said:

You have provided no evidence whatsoever that the "||" band designates a Maxima model. None whatsoever.

 

I appreciate that you recognize my contribution about "||" band ...

 

 

You're forgetful. Someone else posted on FPN about the "||" band before you brought it up.

 

--Daniel

[Lazard 20]

You haven't established that Parker had a Slender Maxima in its line in 1942.

 

False. Even I do not want to establish that. I wanted and here we are determined that in 1942 ("dark year" for ringed vacs) there was a ringed Vacumatic 135 mm total long, 61 mm cap long, 13.5 mm. cap diameter and narrow double vertical chevron band that some collectors mistakenly called Long Major .

 

You claim that slender 135mm-long pens with double vertical lines adjacent to the indicia are all Slender Maximas.

 

No, you're very wrong again. In this point my conclusions and certainties I keep with myself. I'm just undoing misunderstandings about "Long Majors" and fixing the eyes of readers to aspects for them to form their own opinion.

You're forgetful. Someone else posted on FPN about the "||" band before you brought it up.

 

FPN is very, very important and very interesting, but there are Pendom behind FPN´s borders too.

 

None of those pens is from 1942.

 

At the bottom you get what you want, from 1942. I hope your apology.

 

"Okay, even I can see this photo is not really relevant. There is a maxima, a long major and a major"

 

Please, note that I´m always just talking and photographing models and fountain pens Parker MADE IN USA.

 

On the other hand good thing you said Maxima -I say nothing because Mr. Kirchheimer says that the Maxima always have wider band ( I say such pens with narrower cap bands are Majors. Kirchh Posted it on 14 February 2014 - 21:15) , for the first , I thought you were gonna say Fat Long Major, Long Major or False Slender Maxima, and Major .

Not, not Long Major for the second. that's impossible, we have even concluded with Mr. Kirchheimer repeatedly ( summarizing, "As has been repeatedly told to you in this thread, "Long Major" is not a Parker name.") that Long Major is not a Parker´s name. Necessarily had to have another name in those years. What name?

 

A picture is worth a 1000 words.

http://s11.postimg.org/tjgwuchir/COMPARATIVA_DOBLE_VERTICAL_1050_PIX.jpg

Edited February 16, 2014 by Lazard 20

[ralfstc]

Okay, even I can see this last photo is not really relevant. There is a maxima, a long major and a major. For this to be useful we need to know actual manufacture dates and places for all three (remember there is Canadian variation that we need to discount here). "Contemporary of the "51"" doesn't really cut it. That would be 1941-1970ish.

 

Thanks,

 

Ralf

[ANM]

Kirchh is saying in essence that from 1938 to 1941, Parker made Majors and Slender Maximas the same length. They gave the Slender Maxima a wider cap band. Parker called the pens with smaller cap band Majors. Not "Long Majors" but just Majors. Collectors call these pens long Majors because they were longer than the Majors that Parker made before 1938 and after 1942, possibly after early 1943. Collectors could have called the longer one just Major and the rest could have been referred to as short Majors. Parker called all of them Major because during any given year all the Majors were the same size. They didn't refer to them as long or short because they were one size during any single production year.

 

From a historical perspective, there were longer Majors and shorter Majors made over the entire run of the years of Vacumatics.

Edited February 16, 2014 by ANM

[kirchh]

  On 2/16/2014 at 11:55 AM, Lazard 20 said:

On the other hand good thing you said Maxima -I say nothing because Mr. Kirchheimer says that the Maxima always have wider band

 

Lazard:

 

You are lying.

 

I never said that.

 

FPN readers:

 

Please consider Lazard's dishonesty when assessing his posts. As he has demonstrated repeatedly in the past few days, he thinks nothing of being untruthful when trying to support his position.

 

It's sad, but true.

 

--Daniel

[kirchh]

  On 2/16/2014 at 1:48 PM, ANM said:

Kirchh is saying in essence that from 1938 to 1941, Parker made Majors and Slender Maximas the same length. They gave the Slender Maxima a wider cap band.

 

And, importantly, a larger nib. That constitutes a significant enhancement over the Major and justified the $10 price of the Slender Maxima vs. the $8.75 price for the Major. A slightly wider cap band alone would not have made sense as the sole difference between the two models, I don't think.

 

This same principle also applies when examining Lazard's claim that Parker offered two versions of the Slender Maxima at the same time during 1939, 1940, and 1941, one with a narrower band and smaller nib, and the other with the wider band and larger nib. It's preposterous that Parker would have such different pens with the same name -- and offered at the same price.

 

--Daniel

Edited February 16, 2014 by kirchh

[kirchh]

  On 2/16/2014 at 11:55 AM, Lazard 20 said:

Not, not Long Major for the second. that's impossible, we have even concluded with Mr. Kirchheimer and Mr. Nishimura that Long Major is not a Parker´s name. Necessarily had to have another name in those years. What name?

 

Lazard, you are incredibly dishonest.

 

You were already told the answer to this question in this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, this post, and this post. You have been told over a dozen times that Parker's name for that model is "Major."

 

But you claimed that Parker called that model "Slender Maxima."

 

So dishonest.

 

--Daniel

Edited February 16, 2014 by kirchh

[ANM]

Yes a larger nib on the Slender Maxima. I didn't mention it this time. I was focusing on Lazards fixation with the cap band.

Edited February 16, 2014 by ANM