A Low Maintenance Water-Resistant Violet?

[colrehogan]

Although it might be too dark for you, have you thought about Diamine Eclipse?

[Inkling13]

I would like to know how this makes it any more or less maintenance free? 100 years ago, this was all that was available. People only used one ink, and their pens never needed to be cleaned. If you use this in consistently and frequently enough where you are refilling every day or so, then it becomes very maintenance free. The same could be said with the nano carbon inks. It's only when you get a bunch of nuts like us that mix inks and cause chemical reactions in our pens and cause undissolvable precipitates.

I did some quick research about this ink, unfortunately it's an iron-gall ink.

 

Any other suggestions or link to reviews of suitable inks would be very welcome.

Thanks.

 

[WirsPlm]

I would like to know how this makes it any more or less maintenance free? 100 years ago, this was all that was available. People only used one ink, and their pens never needed to be cleaned. If you use this in consistently and frequently enough where you are refilling every day or so, then it becomes very maintenance free. The same could be said with the nano carbon inks. It's only when you get a bunch of nuts like us that mix inks and cause chemical reactions in our pens and cause undissolvable precipitates.

 

100 years ago (1914) lots and lots of people were using dip pens (when they used ink at all instead of mechanical pencils) and that was what was used for iron gall inks (modern FP IG inks are different formulations from historical inks specifically made to be compatible with FPs). Clogging and other problems were well-known and pens did need regular cleaning (not needing to flush was how Parker marketed their Solv-X inks).

 

If you're wondering why IG inks are higher maintenance in general, than have this quote from Wikipedia: "Traditional iron gall inks intended for dip pens are not suitable for fountain pens that operate on the principle of capillary action. Ferro gallic deposit accumulation in the feed system can clog the small ink passages in fountain pen feeds. Further, very acidic traditional iron gall inks intended for dip pens can corrode metal pen parts (a phenomenon known as redox reaction/flash corrosion). These phenomena can destroy the functionality of fountain pens." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_gall_ink

 

Oh, and no, ancient carbon inks were not considered at all suitable for FPs, and were not used in them. The nano carbon inks are the first formulation of particulate inks that I'm aware of that are intended to be safe for use in FPs, and even those need more maintenance.

Edited January 9, 2014 by WirsPlm

[BookCat]

So there's some aspect of purple in particular which makes it impossible to manufacture a low maintence ink with water-RESISTANCE?

 

Is there a safe, low maintenance red with which I can mix the Namiki Blue I currently put in my fountain pens?

 

I had no idea that it was IMPOSSIBLE to have an easy-use violet ink which won't wash out if I spill something over what I've written. Sorry for the impertinence, Sham69.

 

The peeps on this site were so helpful when I asked about blues.....oh well...off to play with my new Monteverde...

[amberleadavis]

So there's some aspect of purple in particular which makes it impossible to manufacture a low maintence ink with water-RESISTANCE?

 

Is there a safe, low maintenance red with which I can mix the Namiki Blue I currently put in my fountain pens?

 

I had no idea that it was IMPOSSIBLE to have an easy-use violet ink which won't wash out if I spill something over what I've written. Sorry for the impertinence, Sham69.

 

The peeps on this site were so helpful when I asked about blues.....oh well...off to play with my new Monteverde...

 

 

Water resistant inks just require more maintenance. I am guessing you didn't like any of the suggestions?

[carlos.q]

Is there a safe, low maintenance red with which I can mix the Namiki Blue I currently put in my fountain pens?

 

I like the way you think...

I've also been on the look out for some Namiki blue combinations to get a water resistant purple. One alternative could be to mix a reddish purple (like Pelikan or MB) with Namiki blue to get a blueish purple.

How about a mix with Waterman red? That is a nice safe ink.

In the past I have mixed Namiki blue with Waterman South Seas blue to get a water resistant blueish-turquoise: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/221726-seapilot-blue/

Edited January 10, 2014 by carlos.q

[BookCat]

Carlos, I like the idea of mixing the Namiki blue, but I've read contradictory reports about Waterman inks, some saying that it's a very user-friendly ink while others say that it's very acidic. I don't know which to believe! But any low-maintenance red which is on the purple rather than orange side, would do.

I read through your thread about trying to make Namiki blue more exciting; strange how differently people perceive colour, because I like the softness of NB.

 

Sorry about my previous post Amber, one of the posters just got up my nose a bit.

[Anne-Sophie]

Mixing Namiki Blue with Waterman Audacious Red (new name), might end up mauve or purple.

 

Waterman Red before the recent name change was a nice true red ink to make purple with Waterman Florida Blue.

 

Florida Blue is now called Serenity Blue, I don't know if the formulation of Waterman inks have changed with the name.

 

One caveat, they are not the least waterproof.

 

 

The only option for fountain pen ink, with waterproof quality, in your color range, would be Violet Vote -Periwinkle Edition.

 

Below is what Pendemonium, http://www.pendemonium.com/

the store which has exclusivity for Violet Vote Periwinkle has to say:

"Noodler's Violet Vote Ink aka Periwinkle
We received a new batch of our exclusive Noodler's Violet Vote ink not too long ago. Violet Vote is a deep and very rich purple toned violet ink. Not this batch! Apparently the dye originally used in this ink is no longer produced by the original dye maker and Noodler's acquired a comparable dye from another manufacturer to continue Violet Vote production. The original formula with the new dye did not produce Violet Vote. So by sheer fluke, while Noodler's is working to achieve the right formula again, we have a batch of a beautiful Periwinkle ink. Oddly enough, years ago, Periwinkle was a color we had requested, but the samples never came close to what we think of as periwinkle. This ink is a lighter purple than Violet Vote with more blue and a little hint of silvery grey. It is quite beautiful and exactly what we were looking for almost a decade ago! The VV-Periwinkle is bulletproof. Most likely, we will never have this ink again, but while we do we're offering up what we do have for sale."

 

 

The color might be a little too blue for you. I don't use bulletproof ink and wonder if adding a drop of regular red to it. would create the mauve hue, you favor.

 

Just set aside a little bit of the Periwinkle in a separate container to do your mixing experiment.

I don't know if a regular ink would remove the bulletproof quality of the main ink.

 

On the monitor, another bulletproof ink, Eternal Brown, has a little pink hue to it and wonder what mixing it to Periwinkle Violet Vote would do.

 

There are plenty of purples and pinks in many fountain pen ink lines but mauve is a difficult color to get, even more so, a waterproof version.

 

 

I like that color as well and have collected pencils and markers to use when waterproof qualities are needed.

 

Many Coptic Markers are refillable with alcohol based ink, below is their page of pink/mauve, the next page has more purple/mauve.

 

http://store.copicmarker.com/collections/all/red-violet?page=2

 

Let us know what ink you end up selecting.

 

 

No affiliation with Pendemonium, other than an happy customer; nor Coptic Markers.

Edited January 11, 2014 by Anne-Sophie

[BookCat]

Thanks, but I'm not looking for bulletproof, just something which is still legible after having coffee etc spilled on it. Most of the bulletproof inks are high maintenance, which I want to avoid.

 

Namiki blue is water-resistant, hence if mixed with a harmless red it should create a mauve which, when something is spilled on it, leaves the blue behind yet still be a low maintenance ink. That's the theory anyway.

[WirsPlm]

Thanks, but I'm not looking for bulletproof, just something which is still legible after having coffee etc spilled on it. Most of the bulletproof inks are high maintenance, which I want to avoid.

 

Namiki blue is water-resistant, hence if mixed with a harmless red it should create a mauve which, when something is spilled on it, leaves the blue behind yet still be a low maintenance ink. That's the theory anyway.

Try mixing it with Namiki Red then (same brand is always the best bet), although, if you're up for experimenting, putting distilled water into a bulletproof ink is the easiest and safest thing to do. The reason some bulletproof inks can be hard to deal with is the saturation, and if you change that then they're much, much lower maintenance. Platinum also has inks designed for mixing if you want to try them (Platinum Mix-Free, I think?).

[thesolaris]

I would also go for R&K Scabiosa.

[dr saleem ali]

After reading the whole thread ,I wonder , why Pelikan 4001 violet , has not been given its due regard ! . Its a very bright ink ,and shines even in extra-fine pen points, and very "soft" to eyes. very good flow, no clogging , no skipping or poor starts , , dries fast , and water /wash resistant . It can be equally recommended for writng and art-work, due to its very pleasant visual appeal. But I refer to old 30 ml bottles , which I acquired 20 years ago , and again purchased from my stationary dealer recently in fresh ,nos condition , and found them superb again .

Edited January 19, 2014 by dr saleem ali

[amberleadavis]

I don't know, I haven't seen this ink, please upload a sample, we'd love to see it! Welcome to FPN.

[Immoteus]

Have you tried MB violet/lavendar purple? I'm not certain if it has been re-released since its recall. But there should be plenty of old stock available.