Jowo Vs Bock - Which Do You Think Is Better And Why?

[fourseamer]

http://www.indy-pen-dance.com/bock-250-6mm-gilded-polished-nibs.html

 

http://www.indy-pen-dance.com/bock-180-gilded-polished-nibs.html

I have several of these Bock nibs in use with a couple Ahabs, and they're a delight to write with. They are extraordinarily smooth for steel nibs. My experience with the TWSBI nibs was that the Bock nibs were far superior to their Jowo counterparts.

 

I have some nice Jowo nibs on some Edison's though.

[Simius]

I have several of these Bock nibs in use with a couple Ahabs, and they're a delight to write with. They are extraordinarily smooth for steel nibs. My experience with the TWSBI nibs was that the Bock nibs were far superior to their Jowo counterparts.

 

I have some nice Jowo nibs on some Edison's though.

 

 

http://www.indy-pen-dance.com/bock-250-6mm-gilded-polished-nibs.html

 

http://www.indy-pen-dance.com/bock-180-gilded-polished-nibs.html

 

Thanks...

[Kugelschreiber]

I have several of these Bock nibs in use with a couple Ahabs, and they're a delight to write with. They are extraordinarily smooth for steel nibs. My experience with the TWSBI nibs was that the Bock nibs were far superior to their Jowo counterparts.

 

I have some nice Jowo nibs on some Edison's though.

 

 

I've used them in some Noodler's pens as well and agree with you on their quality.

 

One quibble: I wish they had a different design. I'm sure mountain goats (or the like) are lovely creatures, but I don't want them on my nibs.

Edited September 10, 2013 by Kugelschreiber

[KrazyIvan]

There is another thread around here with a similar discussion. I can't find it now but someone stated that just because say Delta uses Bock? (I forget which manufacturers use what nibs, it's just an example) Don't expect all Bock nibs to write like a Delta. Delta will specify their own nib requirements and that may be exclusive to them. Just something to keep in mind. Same goes for JoWo.

[Kaweco]

Does jowo actually exist?

[UK Mike]

Does jowo actually exist?

 

http://www.jowo-schreibfeder.de/

[Harlequin]

I believe that Sheaffer uses Bock nibs now- I don't know about the inlaid nibs though. The last inlaid nibs done by Sheaffer in the US were on the Valor, which was years ago. I don't know if they simply moved the nib production to Europe (Italy?) for the current inlaid nibs, or if they actually use Bock nibs for those as well.

 

Update: Just asked another highly knowledgeable FPNer about it and it seems that the inlaid nibs are now made by Bock. That, to me, means that Bock is the current winner in this contest ^_~.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Bock means mountain goat in German.

Been using that bouncing goat since @1938-9, when the company started near Heidleberg, then the pen capital of Germany.

[Kugelschreiber]

Thank you for the explanation, Bo Bo. At least the logo makes sense to me now.

[Kaweco]

 

http://www.jowo-schreibfeder.de/

"I`m online, therefore I am"

(Sorry Mr. Descartes)

 

Hello Mike

Tanks for the link. Surely I had seen the website before. A site without impressum and without any resposibilities. No pics from production or quality control.The "factory hall" in the Wolfener Srasse 36 seems to be an office building with many other residents. The company history, "going back to 1852" is quaint: The first steel dip nib maker, Heintze & Blanckertz in Berlin, had been founded ten years later. So Jowo must have been number zero. Actually the Commercial Register lists Jowo as a nib maker but not sure where the nibs had been made. The ornamental design looks like Mutschler nibs. Possibly some of their machines from the bancrupty stock had been used. Mutschler (Reform) also had made nibs for many many clients.

Surely! the firm philosophy, the tradition and practical knowledge, the quality in machinery and craftsmenship of Bock products are highly different. Nothing compares.

Kind Regards

Thomas

[UK Mike]

"I`m online, therefore I am"

(Sorry Mr. Descartes)

 

Hello Mike

Tanks for the link. Surely I had seen the website before. A site without impressum and without any resposibilities. No pics from production or quality control.The "factory hall" in the Wolfener Srasse 36 seems to be an office building with many other residents. The company history, "going back to 1852" is quaint: The first steel dip nib maker, Heintze & Blanckertz in Berlin, had been founded ten years later. So Jowo must have been number zero. Actually the Commercial Register lists Jowo as a nib maker but not sure where the nibs had been made. The ornamental design looks like Mutschler nibs. Possibly some of their machines from the bancrupty stock had been used. Mutschler (Reform) also had made nibs for many many clients.

Surely! the firm philosophy, the tradition and practical knowledge, the quality in machinery and craftsmenship of Bock products are highly different. Nothing compares.

Kind Regards

Thomas

 

Hi Thomas

 

I have no idea about the real size of either of the companies. In both cases they are not retailing their products so I don't suppose they have a need for elaborate web sites or advertising because pen manufacturers know who they are and beat a path to their door.

[Kaweco]

Hello Mike

So look here:

http://www.peter-bock.com/content/index_eng.html

 

I made a pic from outside the building 2 years ago:

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/Thomasnr/2011misc145_zps15614b68.jpg

Kind Regards

Thomas

[UK Mike]

Bock only employ ONE man - and a goat?

Edited September 12, 2013 by UK Mike

[Kaweco]

oh...this is Mr. Bock senior. Or better this was...he died a few weeks after this pic had been taken. It was wonderful to talk to him, a treasure of wisdom and knowledge.

The works are now managed by his son, the 3rd generation.

[encremental]

Yard-O-Led nibs are Jowo, and they are some of the best I've ever used. The steel Faber Castells are hard to beat as well - unbelievably smooth, and for comparatively little money.

 

John

[hari317]

Yard-O-Led nibs are Jowo,

John, can you pls cite some references for this.

 

Thanks!

 

ETA: I found this article:

 

http://vintagepens.e-monsite.com/pages/content/history-of-yard-o-led/history-of-yard-o-led.html

 

But if there are more stronger evidences, it will be interesting to read.

 

I also found some FPN posts claiming that the nibs are Bock made.

Edited September 13, 2013 by hari317

[hari317]

"I`m online, therefore I am"

(Sorry Mr. Descartes)

 

Hello Mike

Tanks for the link. Surely I had seen the website before. A site without impressum and without any resposibilities. No pics from production or quality control.The "factory hall" in the Wolfener Srasse 36 seems to be an office building with many other residents. The company history, "going back to 1852" is quaint: The first steel dip nib maker, Heintze & Blanckertz in Berlin, had been founded ten years later. So Jowo must have been number zero. Actually the Commercial Register lists Jowo as a nib maker but not sure where the nibs had been made. The ornamental design looks like Mutschler nibs. Possibly some of their machines from the bancrupty stock had been used. Mutschler (Reform) also had made nibs for many many clients.

Surely! the firm philosophy, the tradition and practical knowledge, the quality in machinery and craftsmenship of Bock products are highly different. Nothing compares.

Kind Regards

Thomas

Thomas, I think you have taken up the uphill task of calling out that the emperor has no clothes.

[stuartk]

I have both Bock and JoWo nibs and think they're good quality. All of them needed to be worked on before they wrote well, but the same is true of the nibs on any number of pens I've bought.

[georges zaslavsky]

Bock for me because they supply a number of fountain pen manufacturers and because there are several grades of bock nibs available

[Phonz]

Actually, Conid favors these goat nibs as well...

https://www.conidpen.com/shop/k-dcb-db-sl-ti/