Barock № 04 - Terra di Siena

[txomsy]

Waiting to know your impressions......

[lapis]

FWIW -- as already said above -- the present-day 6 "Barock" inks apparently have "little" to do with the original 6 (prior to 2011). My originals came in 45-ml bottles and were/are listed as follows (no, I never saw a No. 01 here):

• Basaltgrau 02
• Zementgrau 03
• Terra di Siena 04
• Orientalisch Rot 05
• Antikblau 06
• Monacoblau 07

 The present-day 30-ml offerings by Octopus are listed (this time AFAIK) without any real relation to the original Barocks, and without any numberings in their site like this:

• Anthrazit
• Kaviar
• Marine
• Jade
• Bordeaux
• Umbra

If I get round to it, I'll shell out a couple of swabs and lines of the originals. I don't yet have the newbies.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Thank you Lapis.

[lapis]

Well FWIW, here they are ("The Originals" I bought back around 2010) ....

As to the lines and swabs of same on ordinary Rhodia 80 g/m² paper (BLOC RHODIA N° 16)....

... and using my Herbin glass dip den and in each case 100 µl of ink on a Q·tip, I see it like this:

• N° 02 and N° 03 are very dry.
• N° 04 is very wet.
• N° 05, 06, and 07 are medium wet/dry.
• N° 02, 03, 04, and 06 are a bit watery.
• N° 07 and especially 05 are much more saturated (judging by the swabs, I think).
• All 6 colours are "okay" but IMO, they still goad no motivation to rush out and purchase any of them, even if they happen to be on sale.

All of the above is probably pretty uninteresting, since AFAIK, these inks are no longer manufactured and thusly no longer available. They were (here in Krautland) quite inexpensive. Today, the 30-ml replicas -- coming in at 12.95 Euros (likely plus shipping charges) -- seem to bear no relation to the original colours, at least optically. Also, the new inks (12.95 Euros) are pretty expensive; 30-ml Pelikans (in the same bottle shape and size) can be ordered almost anywhere here for 3.00 to 5.00 Euros (likely plus shipping charges). Yeah, including their all-time Blue-Black!

[Bo Bo Olson]

Sometime soon, when the stars *€* align, I'll go to Kaufland and see if they have those inks as advertised. I'd never had purple kaviar before.....mostly black for sturgeon, pink for salmon or trout.

 

Then I'll print out on my real good paper, an ink review for my first one.

 

I'm going to have to do something strange...my wife don't like lines; so she gets up early enough to warm up the worms with my bic so the birds have a warm meal to start the day.

 

I prefer to sleep to yardarm time.

[txomsy]

@lapis that basaltgrau is an ink I would likely have loved to get when available. For now I am stuck with Stipula Calamo dark grey.

 

@Bo Bo Olson I'm looking forward to your review of those inks. The € **s seem to be pervasively out of alignment for many of us.

 

[Bo Bo Olson]

So much for plan A, At Kaufland, the large grocery + , like bike tires and other odds and ends, didn't have any of the barock ink, on the first I'll order some by mail. Actually only had blue Pelikan and Lamy cartidges and a bottle of Pelikan blue.

 

I did make the MISTAKE, of buying Clairefontaine DPC color copy 100g paper. It is smooth enough. I just ran 8 pens with  six inks across it.

Some inks at near eye were still ok, but only Diamien Silver Fox shaded.....and I'd consider them shading inks, perhaps not shading monsters but inks that shade on goo paer.

Kon Piki OM and F (has different hues due to width difference); Lamy Topaz OB and F, DA Violet, and Burgandy, Edelstein Tanzinate, and the best ink on it by far Diamine Silver Fox.

 

Under  1 1/2 or 7cm thick honking big magnifying glass, woolly lines and verges of woolly lines...and a couple inks feathered on a few letters....something I am not use to any more.

 

€12 down the drain..............it will end up in the printer section of my shallow paper drawer.

I will now test Mondi color copy 100g vs this paper, in has been a good paper for me...............just in case these inks are not as good as i remember.

 

Mondi 100G is not as smooth a DCP.  Nor as good as I had in my head.....right now I've changed my mind from buy again.

 

Diamine Silver Fox passes.

Kon-piki passes on a regular flex OM, fails on a semi-flex F.

And almost pass for  DA Burganday in F.

Fails....

Lamy Topaz, passed with a F (mild shading)....Fails with an OB.

DA Violet, DA Burgandy, Edelsteain Tanzinite failed.

 

Great paper does not have woolly lines, even under  magnification.

 

Mondi 100g is a slight tad better than Clairefontaine DCP...not the full tad I thought.

 

Lamy Topaz is new.........none of the other inks had been on the Give to the Neighbor list.....he has been given some of them.

 

Gmund has as good as Mondi in 100,

These are very good, very expensive fountain pen friendly papers....always ask art paper suppliers for that list. Another art company, sent me real nice art paper sampler.

With gmund, you get 2 sheets free and way back when I paid €84 a sheet for the other 7 papers.

110 (Gmund Cotton, linen cream 110g), and great Blanc Beige 120 and very good 150 (Original Gumnd digital, matt tactile creme 150g) and a grand Blanc Beige 170 g almost as good as that 120.

The Original Gmund papers which tend to be more expensive (less sheets) i did not find as quite good as others. good but not quite as good...for me, you will have to spend a year finding out for your self with a good 25=35 inks.

At the price it only took me 5-6 years and 25 inks to dither my order.

The 120 Blanc Beige was a slight tad better than the Blanc Beige170, but at the last second I pressed the button for 170 in I am sometimes into heavy papers.

 

Clairalfa 120 is waiting for me to print enough out to become not quite common copy paper; but not worth saving for anything.

 

When I start tossing those Clairefontaine papers into the printer, I have to bring out my monster shanding inks.

 

 

 

 

[RJS]

On 11/10/2023 at 7:47 PM, Bo Bo Olson said:

I'll give it a shot next month, when the taxman's burden of paying in advanced as retried is is not so heavy. probably Caviar-purple.

I picked up the Barock Kaviar last month. I need to do some more testing with it before I come to an opinion. I like the colour, which is definitely more grey rather than purple, and it works well on very good paper. Graduated shading is evident, which looks appealing. It is horrendous on cheap paper, though, feathering like crazy, more than any other ink I've used this year.

[RJS]

By the way, I agree €12 (it's easy to find in Germany for that sum) seems a bit steep, but it's the way the market is going. Bricks and mortar prices of inks and pens in Europe seem to be flying up from certain brands.

 

I really loved some Taccia inks I got a month ago and was going to gift some, only to find the price had jumped €5 already! Sure, that's only the price of a snack, but it's enough to be off putting- it's the price of trying two bottles of high quality Diamine! 

[Bo Bo Olson]

1 hour ago, RJS said:

which is definitely more grey rather than purple, and it works well on very good paper. Graduated shading is evident,

Just now I've been hitting Diamine, but Octopus/Baroque has become a fall back ink...at least when I buy shading inks....

Sheening inks were a Real Big Disappointment.

Medusa and some other ink I've already forgotten the name didn't sheen any to none.