Do Stipula, Montegrappa, Marlen Use Bock Or Jowo Nibs

[georges zaslavsky]

hi

 

I need a clarification because there has been several debates about who use bock nibs or not but also there is a thread in the first stop section about who makes nib inhouse or not. I read here and was given the info by my favorite dealer that stipula, montegrappa and marlen use bock nibs even though they aren't referenced on the peter bock nib site.

 

thanks in advance

 

best regards

 

Georges

[Tombstone]

I think, you refer to the actual production, don't you? I do not know with Marlen, but Stipula and Montegrappa ALSO use Bock nibs.

[georges zaslavsky]

I think, you refer to the actual production, don't you? I do not know with Marlen, but Stipula and Montegrappa ALSO use Bock nibs.

Ok thank you

[plumista]

It has been quite a long time since my last Stipula, Montegrappa or Marlen addition, so I have no reliable data about current production. But, as far as I know, all the mentioned brands used Bock in all the models I have from them, and, in fact, their nibs are completely interchangeable (the same for Omas, Delta...)

That is precisely the reason why I never understand why so many people talk about the performance of a Stipula, a Delta, a Montegrappa... nib, as if they were different, instead of simply a Bock nib.

Edited June 18, 2013 by plumista

[jar]

It has been quite a long time since my last Stipula, Montegrappa or Marlen addition, so I have no reliable data about current production. But, as far as I know, all the mentioned brands used Bock in all the models I have from them, and, in fact, their nibs are completely interchangeable (the same for Omas, Delta...)

That is precisely the reason why I never understand why so many people talk about the performance of a Stipula, a Delta, a Montegrappa... nib, as if they where different, instead of simply a Bock nib.

 

All Bock nibs are equal but some Bock nibs are more equal than others.

 

Bock makes nibs designed to the specifications of the individual buyer and in addition, the raw nibs can undergo additional processing in-house. Some companies custom fit ebonite feeds for their nibs which can change performance greatly.

 

There is far more to producing a fountain pen than simply the origin of the components.

[wimg]

 

All Bock nibs are equal but some Bock nibs are more equal than others.

 

Bock makes nibs designed to the specifications of the individual buyer and in addition, the raw nibs can undergo additional processing in-house. Some companies custom fit ebonite feeds for their nibs which can change performance greatly.

 

There is far more to producing a fountain pen than simply the origin of the components.

+1

 

Stipula (Etruria S.r.l.) uses Bock nibs made to their own specifications, designed the feeds themselves, and those are produced by Bock as well. Their feeds were produced by a small company which was assimilated by Waterman quite a while ago, which is why they had to switch manufacturer for those. Waterman wasn't interested in producing for other companies but their own.

 

They do the coating of the nibs themselves, BTW.

 

Apart from the nib assemblies, there is only 1 part left in (some) of their pens which they do not produce in-house: the piston filler shaft for their current (large) piston filler system, the ones with reverse action and rotating seal. It has a quad cross thread, which is very complex to make, and it wasn't worth the investment (yet) to make it themselves.

 

All other parts are made in-house, and it is very impressive to see. It is also amazing how many parts a fountain pen actually has, let alone all the steps and handling involved before one gets from raw material to finished products. Each pen is handled at least about 120X, slightly depending on model. The ones with more parts and more complex mechanisms require more handling....

 

Warm regards, Wim

[georges zaslavsky]

+1

 

Stipula (Etruria S.r.l.) uses Bock nibs made to their own specifications, designed the feeds themselves, and those are produced by Bock as well. Their feeds were produced by a small company which was assimilated by Waterman quite a while ago, which is why they had to switch manufacturer for those. Waterman wasn't interested in producing for other companies but their own.

 

They do the coating of the nibs themselves, BTW.

 

Apart from the nib assemblies, there is only 1 part left in (some) of their pens which they do not produce in-house: the piston filler shaft for their current (large) piston filler system, the ones with reverse action and rotating seal. It has a quad cross thread, which is very complex to make, and it wasn't worth the investment (yet) to make it themselves.

 

All other parts are made in-house, and it is very impressive to see. It is also amazing how many parts a fountain pen actually has, let alone all the steps and handling involved before one gets from raw material to finished products. Each pen is handled at least about 120X, slightly depending on model. The ones with more parts and more complex mechanisms require more handling....

 

Warm regards, Wim

Thanks for the precisions Wim I have always ranked stipula on the same level than Omas

[raging.dragon]

+1

 

Stipula (Etruria S.r.l.) uses Bock nibs made to their own specifications, designed the feeds themselves, and those are produced by Bock as well. Their feeds were produced by a small company which was assimilated by Waterman quite a while ago, which is why they had to switch manufacturer for those. Waterman wasn't interested in producing for other companies but their own.

 

They do the coating of the nibs themselves, BTW.

 

Apart from the nib assemblies, there is only 1 part left in (some) of their pens which they do not produce in-house: the piston filler shaft for their current (large) piston filler system, the ones with reverse action and rotating seal. It has a quad cross thread, which is very complex to make, and it wasn't worth the investment (yet) to make it themselves.

 

All other parts are made in-house, and it is very impressive to see. It is also amazing how many parts a fountain pen actually has, let alone all the steps and handling involved before one gets from raw material to finished products. Each pen is handled at least about 120X, slightly depending on model. The ones with more parts and more complex mechanisms require more handling....

 

Warm regards, Wim

Additionally Montegrappa, OMAS and Visconti nibs and feeds differ significantly from standard Bock nibs. All three have custom feed designs (ebonite for Montegrappa and OMAS). Many (if not all) Montegrappa and OMAS nibs have custom dimensions (usually more or less matching the dimensions and appearance of nibs made inhouse before production was outsourced to Bock). Visconti nibs use standard Bock dimensions but are (uniquely) made from Palladium.

Edited June 20, 2013 by raging.dragon

[ele]

Reviving an old thread here, but does anyone know what sort of feeds could replace those on no. 6 size Stipula nibs (those found on the Etruria)? Would a standard size Bock no.6 work?

Edited April 13, 2017 by ele

[ele]

Anyon

Reviving an old thread here, but does anyone know what sort of feeds could replace those on no. 6 size Stipula nibs (those found on the Etruria)? Would a standard size Bock no.6 work?

Anyone??

[Bellatrix]

Anyon

Anyone??

Also interested in this info. *bump*

[sidthecat]

I just got an old Montegrappa ringtop back from Mr. Minuskin. He plucked out the ruined Montasio nib and replaced it with a Waterman New York nib I happened to have. It's a splendid writer now...the point being that a #2 nib will probably fit it.