Any Advice/comments On My Handwritting Is Appreciated

[jonathanlai928]

Dear FPN,

 

Hi everyone, I've always had split up or not joint handwriting and I only very recently started writing in curive due to my interest for the world of fountain pens and calligraphy.

 

I've been learning mostly from Youtube actually but have added my own character to my handwriting. A Copperplate book that I have ordered is on its way and a Copperplate-like style is what I'm aiming for but obviously, I'm far from it. It really would be great if anyone could give me a little advice and even things like "your A's are messed up" is fine.

 

Lastly, just want to say, this is my everyday functional handwriting written using a Waterman Hemisphere and Noodlers Black ink. Hoper it is'nt too difficult to read and thanks in advance!

 

Sincerely,

Jonathan

 

Also I'm just wondering for a flex or italic nib, are you meant to hold the pen so the downstrokes or flattest part of the nib are perpendicular to the lines on the page for example?

 

Not the best quality picture sorry.

Edited May 23, 2013 by jonathanlai928

[barleycorn]

Please check out "Mastering Copperplate Calligraphy" by Elanor Winters. It is widely available. You may be able to find a copy at your local library. After covering letter and forms, she explaing the differient joins based on letter types. Some letters can join top and bottom such as o, while others are either such as s or r. It is a bit too involved to explain here but makes sense with a bit of practice.

Generally, a thick stroke will be on the down. With a flex nib the upstroke is drawn with no pressure so it is usually thin. To do copperplate you will need a dip pen and oblique holder if you are right handed. This will put the nib at the correct angle to get the 55 degree slope(ie 35 degrees from verticle). Most normal italic or cursive is done at a 5 to 15 degree slant from verticle. Your wititing appers to be closer to 20 degress so more than italic but not enougfh for copperplate.

I hope this has bee useful. Please post some pictures to show how you are progressing. And rotate so we can read left to right when possible.

[jonathanlai928]

Thank you so much haha I ordered the one by Herb Kaufman since it was cheapest. Looked up Elanor Winter's one though and ahh I'm annoyed now that looks really good!

 

Sorry about the picture and I'll keep updating this.

[I like mango cheesecake]

I've always been leary at displaying my handwriting for everyone to see as I used to know a graphologist who analyzed my handwriting one time and did a pretty accurate representation of me. He was about 75 % correct. He has done many other people I know and had about the same success rate.

 

Having said that, the internet is an anonymous place and no one knows who I am anyways.

[jonathanlai928]

Now I'm slightly worried haha, thanks for the heads up though

[thang1thang2]

I've always been leary at displaying my handwriting for everyone to see as I used to know a graphologist who analyzed my handwriting one time and did a pretty accurate representation of me. He was about 75 % correct. He has done many other people I know and had about the same success rate.

 

Having said that, the internet is an anonymous place and no one knows who I am anyways.

Most graphology, from my experience, is simply the art of saying vague things and letting their personality full in the rest in their head. When you do that it makes it sound, to them, Like you read their mind. One of the more famous graphologists* would actually say the same exact thing for every client

 

*not sure if he was a graphologist or psychologist or what

[jonathanlai928]

Most graphology, from my experience, is simply the art of saying vague things and letting their personality full in the rest in their head. When you do that it makes it sound, to them, Like you read their mind. One of the more famous graphologists* would actually say the same exact thing for every client

 

*not sure if he was a graphologist or psychologist or what

 

Yeah imo i think you're right actually. I've seen many many examples where people try and assume certain characteristics etc. from hand writing and even loads of how to videos on it but they are as you said quite vague haha. Well, who knows...

Edited May 24, 2013 by jonathanlai928

[I like mango cheesecake]

true there, graphology is much like palm reading. But I've done a bit of research on graphology and essentially what it does is analyse the traits of certain people (generally well known people) and their handwriting and categorize the similarities between the two. So for example, people who are perceived to be high achievers (ie presidents, successful entrepreneurs, etc) have certain writing characteristics that are not found in people who have low esteem or destructive characteristics (ie criminals, depressed people, etc).

[jonathanlai928]

Hmm very interesting

 

true there, graphology is much like palm reading. But I've done a bit of research on graphology and essentially what it does is analyse the traits of certain people (generally well known people) and their handwriting and categorize the similarities between the two. So for example, people who are perceived to be high achievers (ie presidents, successful entrepreneurs, etc) have certain writing characteristics that are not found in people who have low esteem or destructive characteristics (ie criminals, depressed people, etc).

[marcelo]

Hi Jonathan.

 

Based on your topic I think you will like this poll:

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/246984-which-type-of-writing/

 

 

Best Regards,

Marcelo

[Raths]

Like Jonathan I'm trying to change my handwriting for the better. And since I finally got my scanner working, I figure I'll open myself up to some criticism. Please let me know what you think!

 

 

[Lyander0012]

One thing I've noticed about your handwriting is that the slant seems relatively upright at the start of a line, but then becomes excessively pronounced near the end. Also, with double letters (such as the Ls in "calligraphy") aren't of equal height. While this is nitpicking, really, Copperplate handwriting, just like any of the popular penmanship styles for that matter, is loads more regular, which leaves little room for error.

 

Another thing... though I can't be entirely sure, it looks as if you've got lines crossing zones, like your descenders starting out a lot higher than they normally would, your mid-zone shrinking just the tiniest bit, etc.

 

P.S.

I also am fairly familiar with graphology, since it's a branch of (pseudo) psychology. In my year, there was this one person who analyzed the penmanship of everyone else in the class, and met with a surprising amount of success. There is, believe it or not, a method to proper graphology that allows one to accurately judge the penmanship of another. This often has to do with taking note of the angularity of the letters, the slope, how well-filled out the three zones are, etc. I'll admit that it's far from perfect, but it's hardly guesswork!

 

(No, I'm not really mad; I'm just adding fuel to the fire for fun )

 

Cheers!

[jonathanlai928]

One thing I've noticed about your handwriting is that the slant seems relatively upright at the start of a line, but then becomes excessively pronounced near the end. Also, with double letters (such as the Ls in "calligraphy") aren't of equal height. While this is nitpicking, really, Copperplate handwriting, just like any of the popular penmanship styles for that matter, is loads more regular, which leaves little room for error.

 

Another thing... though I can't be entirely sure, it looks as if you've got lines crossing zones, like your descenders starting out a lot higher than they normally would, your mid-zone shrinking just the tiniest bit, etc.

 

P.S.

I also am fairly familiar with graphology, since it's a branch of (pseudo) psychology. In my year, there was this one person who analyzed the penmanship of everyone else in the class, and met with a surprising amount of success. There is, believe it or not, a method to proper graphology that allows one to accurately judge the penmanship of another. This often has to do with taking note of the angularity of the letters, the slope, how well-filled out the three zones are, etc. I'll admit that it's far from perfect, but it's hardly guesswork!

 

(No, I'm not really mad; I'm just adding fuel to the fire for fun )

 

Cheers!

Thank you for the very in-depth analysis. All that you say is pretty accurate and you're right that I have to work on them. Thanks again.