Stylographic Fountain Pens

[flight878]

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The Rotring 900 had a version with a stylograph tip before the line was phased out towards the late 90s. The Rotring 900 was a more rugged, metal variant of the Rotring Altro, which also had a stylograph version. You can still get these on eBay Germany, usually called a Rörchenfüllhalter/Rörchenfüller/Rörchenfüllfederhalter (all essentially imply a "tube-filler feeder tip" pen). The "Tintenkuli" is reserved for the classic Rotring stylograph.

[kirchh]

The coil which as you say is made of hard rubber is not a spring. This material becomes very brittle and a spring that size would be impossible to depress anyway.The spiral would have been designed to control ink and air flow. If you look at Richards Binder's website tiny steel springs were first used to depress the pin and allow ink to flow. Later the wire pin had a weight enabling it to drop back and seal off the ink flow when lifted from paper.

 

You have found a unique pen with an unusual design. Appreciated your photos.

 

The coil is indeed a spring, as the original poster stated. The pen appears to be a Dunlap (or is based on his design); the relevant patent states,

 

"My invention provides a compound spiral and slotted spring of hard rubber".

 

--Daniel

[coldavo]

Hi All,

 

My apologies for entering into this subject at a late date but have just found this discussion.

 

I also own a lovely stylographic pen and value it highly for its beauty and its age and design dating to the birth of the modern fountain pen.

 

It is about 125mm capped and the only marking is "Independent Pat. Sept.26. 82." so it seems to refer to Brown's Patent. It has a slip-on cap and is made up of four pieces - the cap, the barrel, the needle on a shaft which screws into the barrel and the "nib" end which also screws into the barrel. It is made of a black, shiny Bakelite-like material with the barrel having two decorative gold coloured bands and the cap being covered in the same material. It is not marked but I think it possible that these are actually gold with the bands being very thin.

 

However the operation is markedly different to that described in Brown's patent. It appears to be an eye-drop filler which would be done after unscrewing and removing the shaft holding the needle. When inserted the needle fits flush with the end of the "nib" and so probably blocks the opening and would prevent ink from escaping. I presume that to begin writing one would unscrew the other end slightly thus moving the needle back and allow ink to run. Cleaning any dried ink would be a simple action.

 

The only other mention that I have found of a similar "Independent" pen is one held by the Mitchell Library in Sydney and which was owned by its benefactor David Mitchell who died in 1907. His pen has the same wording with the addition of "Mfd. USA".

 

My pen has somewhat the outward appearance of Geoff L's Livermore pens but the patent is Brown's. Even though it is Brown's patent, it does not tee up with the description in his patent.

 

I would appreciate very much any information or thoughts on my pen.

 

All the best,

Col

[kirchh]

Stylographic Pen Pat.jpgHi All,

 

My apologies for entering into this subject at a late date but have just found this discussion.

 

I also own a lovely stylographic pen and value it highly for its beauty and its age and design dating to the birth of the modern fountain pen.

 

It is about 125mm capped and the only marking is "Independent Pat. Sept.26. 82." so it seems to refer to Brown's Patent. It has a slip-on cap and is made up of four pieces - the cap, the barrel, the needle on a shaft which screws into the barrel and the "nib" end which also screws into the barrel. It is made of a black, shiny Bakelite-like material with the barrel having two decorative gold coloured bands and the cap being covered in the same material. It is not marked but I think it possible that these are actually gold with the bands being very thin.

 

However the operation is markedly different to that described in Brown's patent. It appears to be an eye-drop filler which would be done after unscrewing and removing the shaft holding the needle. When inserted the needle fits flush with the end of the "nib" and so probably blocks the opening and would prevent ink from escaping. I presume that to begin writing one would unscrew the other end slightly thus moving the needle back and allow ink to run. Cleaning any dried ink would be a simple action.

 

The only other mention that I have found of a similar "Independent" pen is one held by the Mitchell Library in Sydney and which was owned by its benefactor David Mitchell who died in 1907. His pen has the same wording with the addition of "Mfd. USA".

 

My pen has somewhat the outward appearance of Geoff L's Livermore pens but the patent is Brown's. Even though it is Brown's patent, it does not tee up with the description in his patent.

 

I would appreciate very much any information or thoughts on my pen.

 

All the best,

Col

 

The pen is a JUCO (J. Ullrich Company) Independent stylograph. The patent is not Brown's, but Jacob Ullrich's, registered as number 264,974. It's made of hard rubber.

 

--Daniel

[coldavo]

Hi Daniel,

 

Thank you very much for the information. I have been able to download a copy of the original patent, from the information you gave, and it all fits nicely with the pen.

 

The date of the Patent had me fooled being the same date as that of Brown.

 

Thanks again,

All the best,

Col

[sidthecat]

These sound like the ancestors of the technical pen, which my sister uses for her very detailed drawings. She (bleep) constantly of the declining quality of the Rapidographs, which are now manufactured in China.

[bsenn]

The exploded view of a Jacob Ullrich Stylo(early 1900s)

 

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/munsonhsr/Independent%20Stylograph/DSC_0001.jpg

 

and restored ~

 

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/munsonhsr/Independent%20Stylograph/DSC_0001-1.jpg

 

Phil

Phil, I have several of these JUCO pens, NOS, never inked. I appreciate the photo as I was not sure if the section was threaded. I have been unable to get the section out after repeated heating, but now I know I can try pulling/twisting in any direction.

 

[Edit - armed with that info I was able to romove the section. A new sac is installed and drying, will be writing tomorrow!]

 

Brian

Edited March 3, 2015 by bsenn