Open Source Ink Project

[Renfield]

It seems I'm the only person who's edited the wiki in over a month. I'm getting quite busy at this time. Some of you that expressed interest in helping might like to make a contribution. For example, you could sort out and summarise some of the info linked from our Links page. The wiki will only thrive with some nurturing.

 

Edit: The wiki is, again: http://www.open-ink.com If a moderator reads this, it would be nice if the link could be added to the subtitle of this topic, or to the top of the first post.

 

I was wondering about that, too. I asked for access but never got it (or it hasn't worked). I've made a few new inks (mainly iron gall inks for dip pens) that I'd like to add:

 

I also asked for access, and never received it. I didn't chase it so that is my fault.

 

Requested access again.

 

Phil

[J.R.]

Add another member that asked for access to open-ink.com and never received it.

 

J.R.

[thorn]

Add another member that asked for access to open-ink.com and never received it.

 

J.R.

 

Same here. I had not followed up on it. I thought I'd get a auto reply or something.

[andru]

Add another member that asked for access to open-ink.com and never received it.

 

J.R.

 

Same here. I had not followed up on it. I thought I'd get a auto reply or something.

I'm sorry to heat that. I don't receive the requests, that's sirach/TomasV who volunteered to administer this. I assumed wrongly that it was working as there'd been no mention of problems until recently. I've experienced some communication issues also.

 

Anyways, I've had it. Best of luck. Maybe I'll check back in a year or two and see if there were developments.

[sirach]

It appears I should have checked this page more often... I did not use my FPN time wisely... it would seem. I apologize, but please let me offer this defense.

That form dumps into a spreadsheet. I get an update and I copy the e-mails, as they are typed in, into the site permissions page. Unless I get anything bounced back, as far as the welcome e-mail not going through, I don't know who does or does not have permission, or who is or is not working. I don't have a log of who logs into the page, or who has attempted to log in. At the count, today, there are 10 editors on the page. There have been only 2 people that have ever posted anything. Andru and myself. Shortly after we started this project we had a close death in the family and I was not able to devote as much time to updates.

 

The bottom line is this. I am sorry for not following through with each person, but I don't know if something is wrong unless I am told. I have re-entered the people that posted above into the system. Check your spam box on your e-mail. Please remember that I don't get anything out of this, other then the pleasure of seeing inks being formulated. I personally pay for the fees for the domain and keep the site good with google. I don't have a ton of time, but I have tried to give some of it to this project by keeping it alive on the internet.

 

What I want to know... where is a modern ink formula? What happened to the basic tenet of all this? I hope this was not an opportunity for young entrepreneurial ink makers to gather information from across FPN for the purpose of perfecting their own ink recipes for commercial gain... I wouldn't think that would be the case... but I am a pessimist...

 

Finally, I want to thank Andru for his work in all this. 95% of the content on that page is from him or put up by him. I hope you hadn't been trying to communicate with me and I missed it... if so, I am very sorry. Fiberdunk, I think your access should be working... from your last e-mail, I thought we had worked things out... but I never followed up... your contributions have been invaluable! Finally, the Pharmacist... I still see you as the model amateur ink-maker, every time you pop in, it is educational and it moves us forward.

 

To all the rest of you who have participated... Thank-You! We had a good run. There were some great conversations for a while, I am not sure why it died out. I hope it picks back up, and I will be here to do what I can... namely I will try to keep the site running. If you have problems with signing up to be an editor, email me {Tomas @ open-ink , com}. I will get it fixed as soon as I can.

 

I am not accusing anyone of anything, I am not trying to be defensive, I just want to see this all work out for the betterment of ... ink

 

Sincerely,

 

Tomas

 

p.s. for those wondering about the whole art contest for the header of the page... we didn't get a single piece of art work... none.

[sirach]

I forgot two people. ElaineB and Josiah did some work on the links page as well. I am sorry I overlooked you in my previous post! Thank-You!

[Cognaticrotty]

Sirach. I just submitted a form on the site,a minute ago, as well. If you need anything with regards to help let me know, I moderate several boards and websites

[sirach]

Sirach. I just submitted a form on the site,a minute ago, as well. If you need anything with regards to help let me know, I moderate several boards and websites

 

Just added you on. Welcome! If you have any problems logging into the page, let me know. There is a link at the bottom of the page that lets you log in, and then you can add or modify pages.

[Cognaticrotty]

Sirach. I just submitted a form on the site,a minute ago, as well. If you need anything with regards to help let me know, I moderate several boards and websites

 

Just added you on. Welcome! If you have any problems logging into the page, let me know. There is a link at the bottom of the page that lets you log in, and then you can add or modify pages.

That was ultra fast, thanks a million!

[fiberdrunk]

Thanks Sirach! I didn't realize this thread had been updated, but I just checked Open-Ink and it looks like I have more options now than before (I can upload files and comments so far as I can see). So I think I'm in now. Thanks!

[sirach]

Thanks Sirach! I didn't realize this thread had been updated, but I just checked Open-Ink and it looks like I have more options now than before (I can upload files and comments so far as I can see). So I think I'm in now. Thanks!

 

Yes, and I see you have been busy! I went through and re-sized some of the pictures that were hanging off the page. Thank-you for your additions.

[fiberdrunk]

Thanks Sirach! I didn't realize this thread had been updated, but I just checked Open-Ink and it looks like I have more options now than before (I can upload files and comments so far as I can see). So I think I'm in now. Thanks!

 

Yes, and I see you have been busy! I went through and re-sized some of the pictures that were hanging off the page. Thank-you for your additions.

 

 

That's fine! How do you add a hyperlink? I see the link icon, but nothing happens when I try to enter in the url. I added some links to the supplies section but they're not hyperlinks.

[sirach]

Highlight the text you want to make as an active link. Then, click on the link icon on the edit toolbar.

 

[fiberdrunk]

Highlight the text you want to make as an active link. Then, click on the link icon on the edit toolbar.

 

 

Thank you! I was trying to do it like we do here on FPN. Guess it's not quite the same.

[orangos]

Hi all,

 

Fascinating discussion and an even more fantastic project -- kudos to all...

 

I was just reading about the difficulty of grinding down pigments finely enough to create a particulate fountain pen ink. Printmakers, some of 'em anyway, grind down artist's pigments for custom ink-mixing by hand, as they require a smaller particle size than you might find in a hand-mixed paint. Typically they use a glass muller on a sheet of very flat glass. I appreciate that manual processes might not create smooth, uniformly ground particles, but it's a pretty inexpensive way to start. Any merit in the idea...?

[sirach]

Hi all,

 

Fascinating discussion and an even more fantastic project -- kudos to all...

 

I was just reading about the difficulty of grinding down pigments finely enough to create a particulate fountain pen ink. Printmakers, some of 'em anyway, grind down artist's pigments for custom ink-mixing by hand, as they require a smaller particle size than you might find in a hand-mixed paint. Typically they use a glass muller on a sheet of very flat glass. I appreciate that manual processes might not create smooth, uniformly ground particles, but it's a pretty inexpensive way to start. Any merit in the idea...?

 

In a very similar branch... I was just reading an article about "lake pigments" used in some violin varnishes Fascinating. The ground pigment is passed through a coffee filter, combined with various other liquids to strain off the large particles .. eventually dried and ground again. I can't imagine how they get the particles so small in some of the nano-particle inks.

[bbcg59]

Hi all,

 

Fascinating discussion and an even more fantastic project -- kudos to all...

 

I was just reading about the difficulty of grinding down pigments finely enough to create a particulate fountain pen ink. Printmakers, some of 'em anyway, grind down artist's pigments for custom ink-mixing by hand, as they require a smaller particle size than you might find in a hand-mixed paint. Typically they use a glass muller on a sheet of very flat glass. I appreciate that manual processes might not create smooth, uniformly ground particles, but it's a pretty inexpensive way to start. Any merit in the idea...?

 

In a very similar branch... I was just reading an article about "lake pigments" used in some violin varnishes Fascinating. The ground pigment is passed through a coffee filter, combined with various other liquids to strain off the large particles .. eventually dried and ground again. I can't imagine how they get the particles so small in some of the nano-particle inks.

 

Hello all,

 

Guess I need to get registered on the Open-Ink site. I work at an environmental laboratory so I have access to basic lab equipment, no pigment or dye or formulating knowledge, just basic chemistry bench knowledge.

 

Was looking and found an inexpensive ball mill on Amazon here, , found cheaper supposed to be the same at Harbor Freight, all one would need would be the tumbler balls and would assume one would want to use ceramic to minimize any potential contamination of the pigment with steel or lead if not using pigments already in solution.

Edited January 25, 2013 by bbcg59

[kwzi]

I'm not sure you know that there is a border of particle diameter which you are not able to pass using simply physical technics, which vary from material to material but is almost always bigger than few microns, the harder the material the bigger particle size you are going to get. Using simple ball mill you are not going to get down less than 50 microns, with average particle size of 100 micrometers - all of this with with assumption you are very patient and accurate. Such particle size may be enough for using in FP with assumption of correct stabilization, but clearly is not recomended. High speed mills may go down with average size to about 30-50 microns, but if you want to go down you need some specific solutions for each material.

With "High Speed Homogenizer Drive" or similar devices you are going to get down to less than one micrometer in a time period which is measurable, but this isn't as simply as switching this off and on, but needs choice of correct solvents and other additives.

 

There are two ways of getting fine particles using chemical reactions, bottom-up in which you build up your particles from ground, if well conducted you are going to get very fine and rough dispersion of particles (the difference of particle size would be very small), but this is way is very hard from technical point of view. And Top-down which is simpler, but dispersion of particle size would be significantly broader, but still the average can be much less than one micrometer.

Edited March 22, 2013 by kwzi

[diensthunds]

So long as the server and software used to maintain the site that the informationis hosted on runs on some form of FOSS.

[djunderw]

Just found this topic today. What's the status on this project? Sounds very interesting.