Organics Studio Manganate V

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• The ink I used may be compared to depictions on the Organics Studio site. LINK
  
• Wiki "Manganate V" LINK

Figure 1.

Swabs & Swatch

Paper: HPJ1124 24lb.

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Figure 2.

NIB-ism ✑

Paper: HPJ1124.

Depicts nibs' down-stroke line-width and pens' relative wetness.

Distance between feint vertical pencil lines is 25mm.

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L → R: LJ-1, Estie, C74, PPP, P99, Carene.

Figure 3.

Paper Base Tints:

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L → R: HPJ1124, Rhodia, G Lalo white, Royal, Staples 20lb.

 

WRITTEN SAMPLES - Moby Dick

Ruling: 8mm.

 

Figure 4.

Paper: HPJ1124.

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Figure 5.

Paper: Rhodia.

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Figure 6.

Paper: G Lalo, Verge de France, white.

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Figure 7.

Paper: Royal - 25% rag.

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Figure 8.

Paper: Staples 20 lb. multi-use.

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Figure 9.

Paper: Clairefontaine Triomphe.

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Grocery List

Paper: Pulp.

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OTHER STUFF

 

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Smear/Dry Times & Wet Tests.

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GENERAL DESCRIPTION

 

Type:

• Dye-based fountain pen ink.*

Presentation:

• Bottle.
  • Resembles a wee condiment jar, so please keep well away from children and those unable to read the label.

Availability:

• Released June 2012.
• At time of writing, the sole source is www.organicsstudio.com
• EDIT - to add: A stateside Vendor, Bertram's Inkwell, is now a stockist. LINK
  

Daily writer?

• Quite possible.

A go-to ink?

• When a soft Blue-Black is desired.

* ". . . our [Organics Studio] inks are NOT organic, and we do not claim as such. The name came from the study of organic chemistry . . . We do not want potential buyers to be influenced by the thought that our inks could be Organic. We DO use preservatives to inhibit mold/bacteria growth, and therefore can't be organic." †

 

USE

 

Business:

(From the office of Ms Blue-Black.)

• Suitable for the vast majority of general business use.
• Perhaps best for lateral and downward communication; seems to need higher than usual density to acquire firmness for upward missives.
• A fair pick for personal work product, though readability is high, it is not fleet of foot.
• Unlikely to be mimicked by BP/RB.
• Not in the running for editing or mark-up of material printed in Black, marginalia nor forms use.
• Lacks the zap for error correction or grading.

Illustrations / Graphics:

• Likely too close to Black to be used for most charts or graphs; and too soft to be used as an alternative for Black.
• Shading is likely too persistent for taut lines or labels.
• Somewhat longer than usual S/DT do not support rapid / extemporaneous reworking. (Highly dependent on paper.)
• Has little water resistance, and colour appears to be quite uniform, so OSMV may be suitable for washes; though it will leave a remnant line, so not likely to be called upon if reworking with a wet brush / sponge.

Students:

• Not really.
• A bit too calm on the page for those still attracted to bright colours; and iffy performance on 'lowest bidder' paper, and poor water resistance may well have students looking elsewhere.

Personal:

• Certainly.
• We have what I consider to be an appropriate colour and tone, combined with malleability that allows one to tune the ink to a generous extent. Blue-Black inks, by their very nature, need subtlety nuance and charisma to be appealing.
• For personal 'personal' writing, this ink has joined my growing array of inks bound for family and friends accustomed to receiving letters written in wonderful inks - even if some of those inks may often be found moonlighting in business offices.
• Though any nib width or shape is welcome, OSMV seems to invite use of wider nibs that put a lot of ink on the page - splash! As nibs become more narrow, I would trend toward shaped nibs and/or pen+paper combos that generate some shading. *reaches for a 0.3 CI*

PHYSICAL PERFORMANCE & CHARACTERISTICS

 

Flow Rate:

• Just short of wet.
• Controlled.

Nib Dry-out:

• Not noticed.

Start-up:

• Immediate.
• With confidence.

Lubricity:

• Lowish.
• Somewhat less than Pelikan 4001 Royal Blue, but greater than Montblanc Midnight Blue.
• The pens ran well, though not so smoothly, on toothy textured papers.

Nib Creepies:

• Not seen.

Staining (pen):

• Not in the near-term.‡

Clogging:

• Not seen.
• Seems unlikely.

Bleed- Show-Through:

• Staples 20lb: LINK
• HPJ1124: C74, PPP, P99, Carene. LINK
• Royal: Estie, PPP, Carene. LINK

Feathering / Wooly Line:

• Royal: PPP, Carene.
• See Hi-Res image of the Carene on Royal below.

Aroma:

• Very slight.

Hand oil sensitivity:

• Not evident.

Clean-Up (pen):

• Very fast and thorough with plain water.‡

Mixing:

• "Feel free to mix away! They [the Elements series inks] all are inter-mixable!" †
• 

Archival:

• "We [Organics Studio] have not tested any type of UV resistance, or fade resistance, nor do we claim any such thing. We do NOT claim any water resistance, at the moment, either. We know some of our inks do exhibit this quality, but we do not claim it." †
• Please note that there are no recognised standard tests whose results would determine if an FP ink is archival / zombie-proof.

pH:

• "pH level on all of our [Elements series] inks is within the range of 6 - 8. Some may creep a little out of this range, but they all are fairly close. Nothing is too drastically acidic or basic." †

† This information was kindly provided by Tyler Thompson, Owner of Organics Studio, in response to an RFI in this regard.

 

Thank-you Mr Thompson, for the information and generous permission to include quotations in my wee review.

:clap1:

‡ Some ink was left in a Waterman converter in a Phileas demonstrator, (feed is visible), so should there be any staining or cleaning problems after a week or so, I'll post those results.

 

THE LOOK

 

Presence:

• Soft.
• Fluid.

Saturation:

• A bit low.
• Did not consistently over-write feint lines from the PPP on Rhodia.
• Possible to achieve a solidly inked line.

Shading Potential:

• Very good.
• Attractively understated when it appears.
• As usual, shading is more likely to appear on papers with a hard smooth surface.

Line quality:

• Generally quite good, but stumbled on papers of greater than moderate absorbency, such as the Royal and Staples, which showed slight feathering and line spread where ink was at high density.
• OSMV did quite a bit better than most inks on the textured low-absorbency G Lalo, even though feedback whilst writing gave the impression there were but inky fumes between nib and paper.

Variability:

• Pen+nib combos used:
  • Somewhat greater than expected.
  • Wetness needs to be addressed to skirt performance pot holes on FP-hostile paper.

  [*]Papers used:

  • Saturation, shading, writing experience and line quality are influenced by the papers' texture and absorbency to a greater extent than usual.
  • The ink's low saturation causes the base-tint of the paper to be added to the ink's native colour. In Figure 6 above and the Hi-Res image below, the relatively dry PPP on the natural white of the G Lalo shows a colour shift towards Teal. (May appeal to those who enjoy Rubbermaid Mysterious Blue.)

  [*]Malleability:

  • Somewhat high.
  • The wily practitioner would choose their paper before pen.
  • The performance profile is quite roomy enough to explore the range of appearance that seems necessary for a Blue-Black ink to achieve the desired nuance subtlety and perhaps even charisma.

Hi-Res Scans:

Originals are 60x30mm.

 

As I do not wish to be known as 'Queen of The Bandwidth Bandits', these are thumbnails. Kindly click on the thumbnail to display the image as intended.

 

LJ-1 on HPJ1124:

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C74 on Rhodia:

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PPP on G Lalo:

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Carene on Royal:

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Waterman's 52 1/2 V on Clairefontaine Triomphe:

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OTHER INKS

• This Review uses the same Written Sample format and some pen+paper combos common to most of my previous Reviews of Blue-Black inks. Consequently, ad hoc comparisons by manipulation of browser windows is supported.
• Should that functionality not satisfy your requirements curiosity, I welcome your request via PM. Additional scans may be produced as time & tides permit, but the likelihood of additional inky work is quite low.

Swab Swami

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L → R: Lamy Blue-Black cartridge, Parker Quink Blue-Black, Private Reserve Sonic Blue, Diamine Prussian Blue.

PAPERS

 

Lovely papers:

• Smooth crisp whites.

Trip-wire Papers: ☠

• Any that are too absorbent or cannot suppress bleed- show-though.
• Those with a warm base-tint.

Copy/Printer Paper:

• Seems to need pairing with a suitable pen.
  • Ms Fussy would cast about for a rather dry writer with a very smooth [mono-line] nib which can be used inverted should an exceptionally narrow line be needed.

  [*]Two-sided use of such papers cannot be taken for granted. [*]OBAs did not seem to be a problem.

Tinted Papers:

• Quite unlikely - the paper base-tint alters the appearance of the ink far too much for yours truly.
• I would steer well clear of warm tints.

Is high-end paper 'worth it'?

• Definitely.
• Papers with hard smooth surfaces, such as Rhodia and Clairefontaine Triomphe, allow one to use a wide array of pens to exploit the full range of OSMV with little concern for performance foibles.

ETC.

 

Majik:

• Not seen.

Billets Doux?

• Unlikely.

Personal Pen & Paper Pick:

• The Pelikan P99 on Rhodia.
• The wet wide mono-line nib of the P99 splashes a satisfying amount of ink on the page, generating pleasant range of density. The ink does not seem to bog-down even at such high % coverage.
• The Rhodia fully accommodates the high ink load, keeping the line quality high and bringing the shading forward.

Yickity Yackity:

• OSMV was one of three Blue-Black inks which I received as a generous and unexpected present, so it does feel a bit odd to be 'looking a gift horse in the mouth'. But like a gift horse, this new ink does need a bit of poking and prodding, and to be put through its paces.
  
• While it is still early days, I have a quite favourable initial impression of OSMV.
• It will be a pleasure to share this gift in letters to family and friends. (I wrote the thank-you card for the inks in yu-yake.)
• Ah kushbaby, we have no shoe or dimpled bottom, but has that stopped you from adding all other Blue-Black inks to your array?

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NUTS & BOLTS

 

Pens

Written Samples:

A. Sheaffer Japan Lazer LJ-1 + steel F-4 nib.

B. Esterbrook J + 9460 steel M nib.

C. Pilot Custom 74 + № 5 14K SFM nib.

D. Platinum President Purist + 22K B nib.

E. Pelikan P99 Technix (Blue) + steel B nib.

F. Waterman Carene + 18K factory Stub nib.

-- Waterman's Canada 52 1/2 V + № 2 14K nib.

Lines & labels:

Diamine Indig☹ from a Pilot Penmanship + XF nib.

Papers:

• HPJ1124 24 lb. Laser Copy.
• Rhodia.
• G Lalo, Verge de France, white.
• Royal, 25% cotton rag.
• Staples 20 lb. multi-use.
• Clairefontaine Triomphe.
• Pulp. One-a-Day calendar page.

Imaging

• An Epson V600 scanner was used with the bundled Epson s/w at factory default settings to produce low-loss jpg files.
• Figures shown were scanned at 200 dpi & 24 bit colour.
• Hi-Res Images linked were scanned at 300 dpi & 24 bit colour.
• No post-capture manipulation of scanner output was done, other than dumb-down by Epson, Photobucket & IP.Board s/w.

Densitometer Readings:

HPJ1124

• Red 98
• Grn 118
• Blu 166
• Lum 126

Fine Print

The accuracy and relevance of this Review depends in great part upon consistency and reliability of matériel used.

Ink does not require labelling/notice to indicate (changes in) formulation, non-hazardous ingredients, batch ID, date of manufacture, etc.

As always, YMMV, not only from materials, methods, environment, etc., but also due to differences between the stuff I used and that you may have; and manner of working.

Also, I entrust readers to separate opinion from fact; to evaluate inferences and conclusions as to their merit; and to be amused by whatever tickles your fancy.

 

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Tags: Fountain Pen Ink Review Organics Studio Elements Manganate V Blue-Black Sandy1

Edited July 18, 2012 by Sandy1

[OrganicsStudio]

I would say WOW, but I would have to pick my jaw up off the floor in order to do that. So I will just say "OMG OMG WOW OMG". I've seen amazingly thorough reviews before - and now I've seen this. I can't even find words.

 

Thank you for the work you put into this. We will share this with EVERYONE.

 

 

Tyler

[The Good Captain]

A great review Sandy, as ever. If any of the usual ink sellers here in the UK were to read the comments by Tyler, then let's hope they might decide to take on the task of importing this marvellous ink (and the range of course!) and give the Brits a chance of buying it. The potential cost levied at this end would make anything other than a decade's supply (maybe a slight exaggeration there) a little prohibitive.

Thanks for your response and costings, by the way, Tyler; much appreciated and I'll approach the sellers that I know personally , when I get the chance.

[Sandy1]

I would say WOW, but I would have to pick my jaw up off the floor in order to do that. So I will just say "OMG OMG WOW OMG". I've seen amazingly thorough reviews before - and now I've seen this. I can't even find words.

 

Thank you for the work you put into this. We will share this with EVERYONE.

 

 

Tyler

Hi,

 

You're welcome!

 

A few other of my previous Reviews can be found on FPN. This one is representative of my current template, though one paper (CT) and one pen (52 1/2 V) were added. As ever, I am aware that my reviews are used for the 'off-label' purpose of alleviating insomnia.

 

I am flattered that you consider worthy of sharing it with so many people.

 

Bye,

S1

[Sandy1]

A great review Sandy, as ever. If any of the usual ink sellers here in the UK were to read the comments by Tyler, then let's hope they might decide to take on the task of importing this marvellous ink (and the range of course!) and give the Brits a chance of buying it. The potential cost levied at this end would make anything other than a decade's supply (maybe a slight exaggeration there) a little prohibitive.

Thanks for your response and costings, by the way, Tyler; much appreciated and I'll approach the sellers that I know personally , when I get the chance.

 

Hi,

 

Thanks!

 

I like to think that as the OS inks become more well-known, and are proven in the hands of early adopters, a demand for the ink will grow; and wily Vendors will stock new and popular inks to retain existing customers and attract new clientele. Yet the hurdles to enter and remain in the global market cannot be underestimated.

 

Perhaps tankers of Akkerman inks could sail from Europe and return laden with OS inks?

 

Bye,

S1

[LagNut]

Sandy,

 

Yet another fantastic reivew. I find myself seeking these out just for the humor, then I get sucked into more inks that I never knew I needed. I also end up comparing traits on inks causing me to end up inking too many pens. All your fault. Every bit.

 

Two notes in passing:

1) the link into the Organics Studio website presumably detailing the intricacies of Manganate_V_Blue_Black_Ink_p

Can't get in... Need Password

is (as the link name so cleverly states) password protected.

2) The Goulet Pen Co now carries these inks.

 

Cheers

Mike

[SIG9]

I've shied away from blue-black inks because most appear too dark for my tastes. This one, however, appears to lean toward the blue and isn't very saturated. I may just have to order a sample. Thanks for the review

 

One question... what nib is on your estie?

Edited July 26, 2012 by SIG9

[Sandy1]

Sandy,

 

Yet another fantastic reivew. I find myself seeking these out just for the humor, then I get sucked into more inks that I never knew I needed. I also end up comparing traits on inks causing me to end up inking too many pens. All your fault. Every bit.

 

Two notes in passing:

1) the link into the Organics Studio website presumably detailing the intricacies of Manganate_V_Blue_Black_Ink_p

Can't get in... Need Password

is (as the link name so cleverly states) password protected.

2) The Goulet Pen Co now carries these inks.

 

Cheers

Mike

 

Hi Mike,

 

Thanks for mentioning the [dead-end] status of that link.

And yes indeed, more vendors are adding OS inks to their offerings.

 

I'm glad someone appreciates my attempts at levity

 

And once again, I must shoulder the burden for being an 'enabler'. I do hope that I enable inky appreciation and enjoyment.

 

As ever, I am equally glad to read posts that my wee reviews have enabled enjoyment by purchasing an ink, and posts that mention an unrewarding purchase was avoided.

 

So sorry about the uptick in pen cleaning - seems to come with the territory.

 

Bye,

S1

Edited July 27, 2012 by Sandy1

[Sandy1]

I've shied away from blue-black inks because most appear too dark for my tastes. This one, however, appears to lean toward the blue and isn't very saturated. I may just have to order a sample. Thanks for the review

 

One question... what nib is on your estie?

 

Hi,

 

You're welcome!

 

I do like The Look of the OSMV, which I consider somewhat 'soft'.

 

As with most inks of modest saturation, there is the opportunity to change pen / paper to generate the desired appearance. Also, it is not uncommon to dilute an ink with [distilled] water to make it more pale.

 

Ah! The Estie was used with a 9460 Rigid Manifold M nib - an excellent 'nail'.

(I include that under Nuts & Bolts / Pens / Written Samples.)

 

Bye,

S1

[dannyboy]

Well, Sandy, you never disappoint in your very thorough examination of an ink and this review is exceptionally fine. My thanks to you for such professional and thorough treatment of numerous inks. You should have a book of all your reviews and it would be a standard guide for all of us! Blessings on you for all your work!

[Sandy1]

Well, Sandy, you never disappoint in your very thorough examination of an ink and this review is exceptionally fine. My thanks to you for such professional and thorough treatment of numerous inks. You should have a book of all your reviews and it would be a standard guide for all of us! Blessings on you for all your work!

Hi,

 

Many thanks for your kind words!

 

Other Members have mentioned that my stuff might be suitable for a book, but I like to share on FPN, where its freely available to those who can access the site. (Hello Lurkers!)

 

Even though I like to think my reviews are comprehensive, they are never complete. There are many pens and papers and people with ideas, so I do like my reviews to be 'live', and invite replies - those can add considerable scope and depth to the review itself, which is grand. And we have the vast, varied and valuable contributions of so many other members to share!!

 

Whee!

 

Bye,

S1

[rockydoggy]

Great review as always.

Coincidentally, I just picked up my bottle of Manganate from the PO this morning and I immediately filled a Hero Parker-knock-off that was handy.

I think I'm going to like this ink--it's giving nice shading even with this fine nib.

[Sandy1]

Great review as always.

Coincidentally, I just picked up my bottle of Manganate from the PO this morning and I immediately filled a Hero Parker-knock-off that was handy.

I think I'm going to like this ink--it's giving nice shading even with this fine nib.

 

Hi,

 

Thanks for the compliment!

 

I am glad that you are getting some shading from the narrow nib of your Hero 'tribute to Parker' pen. In the Written Samples, the Manifold M nib of Estie was able to generate some shading, even on the penny-a-page HPJ1124.

 

Please tell us what sort of paper you were using to get that result - a common copy/printer paper? or a specific named paper?

 

Bye,

S1

[rockydoggy]

It was either Office Max Sugarmade Multipurpose Paper or else some Double AA paper.

Pretty sure it was the former.

[Robert Alan]

Clogging:

• Not seen.
• Seems unlikely.

 

Greetings!

 

I have found that this ink does clog. I really like blue-black ink, and I'm always on the lookout for a new one, so I was pleased to see this ink on the market. With blue blacks--especially iron gall inks--I like to give them my "one week test" and let a filled pen sit upright in a pen cup for a week to see if it will write properly after that period.

 

With a Bexley fitted with a medium nib filled with this ink, on the first day, after it was filled, and before the "one week test," flow and intensity were very good, and I liked the deepness of the blue-black color. Unfortunately, after a week, the pen would not start without several shakes, and the flow seemed rather inhibited. During cleaning of the pen (flushing and soaking of the nib & feed with tap water, pen cleaner and distilled water), large chunks of sediment were expelled from the feed which was, previous to filling with this blue-black ink, perfectly clean. So, it appears that this ink does have the potential, under certain circumstances, to clog and users should be aware of this. Of course, this can certainly happen with a number of other inks on the market today.

 

At the same time I was testing this ink, I had two Montblancs filled with Midnight Blue and those two pens exhibited no flow or clogging problems. I was surprised by this since the Midnight Blue certainly is prone to leaving sediment in the feed, and pens filled with it must be cleaned regularly. I also had a Lamy Safari filled with Lamy black ink that sat upright during the same week-long test, and it wrote immediately when nib was put to paper.

 

I purchased a bottle of Organics Studio Mn 'Manganate V' blue/black ink directly from the manufacturer, a couple of weeks before it was available from Goulet Pens, and I have no idea if the formula has been changed since that time.

 

Regards, Robert

(Edited to include the complete name of the ink.)

Edited August 20, 2012 by Robert Alan

[Sandy1]

Clogging:

• Not seen.
• Seems unlikely.

 

Greetings!

 

I have found that this ink does clog. I really like blue-black ink, and I'm always on the lookout for a new one, so I was pleased to see this ink on the market. With blue blacks--especially iron gall inks--I like to give them my "one week test" and let a filled pen sit upright in a pen cup for a week to see if it will write properly after that period.

 

With a Bexley fitted with a medium nib filled with this ink, on the first day, after it was filled, and before the "one week test," flow and intensity were very good, and I liked the deepness of the blue-black color. Unfortunately, after a week, the pen would not start without several shakes, and the flow seemed rather inhibited. During cleaning of the pen (flushing and soaking of the nib & feed with tap water, pen cleaner and distilled water), large chunks of sediment were expelled from the feed which was, previous to filling with this blue-black ink, perfectly clean. So, it appears that this ink does have the potential, under certain circumstances, to clog and users should be aware of this. Of course, this can certainly happen with a number of other inks on the market today.

 

At the same time I was testing this ink, I had two Montblancs filled with Midnight Blue and those two pens exhibited no flow or clogging problems. I was surprised by this since the Midnight Blue certainly is prone to leaving sediment in the feed, and pens filled with it must be cleaned regularly. I also had a Lamy Safari filled with Lamy black ink that sat upright during the same week-long test, and it wrote immediately when nib was put to paper.

 

I purchased a bottle of Organics Studio Mn 'Manganate V' blue/black ink directly from the manufacturer, a couple of weeks before it was available from Goulet Pens, and I have no idea if the formula has been changed since that time.

 

Regards, Robert

(Edited to include the complete name of the ink.)

 

Hi,

 

Many thanks for letting us know that your experience with OSMV is at variance with my experience. Thanks also for describing the problem in detail.

 

I think it is very important, especially for new inks, to quickly gather and share as much information as possible, especially for performance problems.

 

As mentioned elsewhere, I am not one to let ink linger in a pen, so greatly appreciate hearing from those who do so, (which is perfectly reasonable common practice when using a simple dye-based ink.)

 

EDIT - to add: The charged Phileas that I left sitting unused for about two weeks started promptly and was readily cleansed of OSMV.

The only thing that comes to mind is a [remote] possibility that there was residue from use of an iron-gall ink in the pen, which was not removed by either water, nor the more aggressive ammonia+surfactant solution. :hmm1:

 

As you clearly have admirable pen hygiene practices, this is a long shot.

 

Until I read the post by Member pharmacist in my wee review of ESSRI, Post № 271+, I was completely unaware that a dilute solution of white vinegar (acetic acid) may be used to advantage!

 

In that same Review, Member januaryman reported stuff coming from his Waterman's 52, Post № 313+, which was subsequently recovered by the use of a dilute vinegar rinse.

 

Also, if one encounters particulate matter whilst cleansing their pen, I've suggested back-flushing nib+feed sections of c/c pens by slipping a length of soft [surgical] tuning over the nib, creating a seal on the grip, then add water from the nib end of the section.

 

Please let us know if your pen comes right!

 

I will also send the link to your Post to Organics Studio for their kind consideration.

 

Bye,

S1

Edited August 21, 2012 by Sandy1

[Robert Alan]

Clogging:

• Not seen.
• Seems unlikely.

 

I have found that this ink does clog..Regards, Robert

(Edited to include the complete name of the ink.)

 

...The only thing that comes to mind is [remote] possibility that there was residue from use of an iron-gall ink in the pen, which was not removed by either water, nor the more aggressive ammonia+surfactant solution. :hmm1:

 

Please let us know if your pen comes right!

 

 

Hello!

 

Thanks a lot for your reply. I hadn't thought about the possibility of the clogging issue coming from a previous ink. I keep a fairly detailed record of which pens, nibs and inks are used in my journal. The pen was a Bexley 10th Anniversary model fitted with a broad steel JoWo nib, and it had been previously filled with Duke blue-black. That was in mid-June. Before filling with the Organics Studio "Maganate V," the pen was carefully cleaned and dried, and I didn't notice any expelled ink particles during cleaning. When necessary, I generally use Speedball Pen Cleaner which is safe for fountain pens and has worked well for me for years. However, there may have, in fact, been something left behind by the Duke ink.

 

I have used the Duke blue-black for several years, and I have not experienced any problems with it. I like the ink very much since it is a dark--more black than blue--blue black with beautiful shading characteristics. When it was available, I purchased several bottles from Todd at isellpens.com and I'm sorry that the ink is no longer available.

 

BTW, I do like the darkness, shading, and flow of the "Maganate V" blue/black, and I'll continue to use it. I will test it in another pen, and I'll check to see if the dye deposits occur again.

 

I hope this information is helpful.

 

Regards, Robert

[reprieve]

I ordered some ink samples recently, and Manganate V and Mercury Red were among the inks I wanted to try. Before I even received my order, I got a message about the sample of Mercury Red--apparently, the new formula released to retailers had a tendency to congeal. I was refunded for that sample even though it had already been sent out with the rest of my order. Sure enough, when I received my order, there were jelly-like strings visible in the sample of Mercury Red. No problem, I thought, and I tossed it. I've been working my way through the samples, but it has taken a while. It has been about three weeks. Today I decided to try Manganate V. I had a clean pen and I was about to fill it. However, I noticed the sample vial contained a lot of sediment. Not the jelly-like strings of congealed something that were in the Mercury Red, but a silt-like sediment that made the vial quite cloudy. Maybe it would have been fine, but I didn't fill my pen with that ink. Too bad because all of their colors look great and I really like the story behind the company. I wonder if anyone else has had a similar experience.

[Earthdawn]

Wow that was some review !

 

Thank you very much for taking such care and time in writing and posting that!

[Sandy1]

Clogging:

• Not seen.
• Seems unlikely.

 

I have found that this ink does clog..Regards, Robert

(Edited to include the complete name of the ink.)

 

...The only thing that comes to mind is [remote] possibility that there was residue from use of an iron-gall ink in the pen, which was not removed by either water, nor the more aggressive ammonia+surfactant solution. :hmm1:

 

Please let us know if your pen comes right!

 

 

Hello!

 

Thanks a lot for your reply. I hadn't thought about the possibility of the clogging issue coming from a previous ink. I keep a fairly detailed record of which pens, nibs and inks are used in my journal. The pen was a Bexley 10th Anniversary model fitted with a broad steel JoWo nib, and it had been previously filled with Duke blue-black. That was in mid-June. Before filling with the Organics Studio "Maganate V," the pen was carefully cleaned and dried, and I didn't notice any expelled ink particles during cleaning. When necessary, I generally use Speedball Pen Cleaner which is safe for fountain pens and has worked well for me for years. However, there may have, in fact, been something left behind by the Duke ink.

 

I have used the Duke blue-black for several years, and I have not experienced any problems with it. I like the ink very much since it is a dark--more black than blue--blue black with beautiful shading characteristics. When it was available, I purchased several bottles from Todd at isellpens.com and I'm sorry that the ink is no longer available.

 

BTW, I do like the darkness, shading, and flow of the "Maganate V" blue/black, and I'll continue to use it. I will test it in another pen, and I'll check to see if the dye deposits occur again.

 

I hope this information is helpful.

 

Regards, Robert

 

Hi,

 

Many thanks for letting us know.

 

My current thinking is that the particulate matter may be caused by a few things:

• Was the ink sound when the pen was charged? i.e. Are there particles in the ink bottle?
• Does the ink react to the physical actions associated with being loaded into a clean pen and used? (Unlikely with a simple dye-based ink.)
• Is there residue in the pen that reacts with the ink to form a precipitate / flocculate?
• Is there residue in the pen that is dislodged by the ink - essentially the ink is acting as a pen cleaner? (I have experienced that when using ye olde Parker Quink with SOLV-X in used pens.)
• Are particles formed if the ink is left in the pen for an extended period, causing it to dry out even a bit?
  

As mentioned, I do not let ink linger in a pen, which is not common practice. Perhaps cleansing the pen of the ink used for a document is my way of finalising it; no more postscripts - those can wait for the next letter.

 

Bye,

S1

Edited August 22, 2012 by Sandy1