Depository Of Handwriting And Calligraphy Styles and Discussion

[Mickey]

Palmer and Spencer influences did not seem to travel well from what I have read, and Vere Foster was covering the need for a simpler style in Great Britain. To be precise Chrurchill's parent were both English (although his mother was American-born English) and his education was English and he certainly was not the intended subject of the song, which looked at an earlier period for comedy.

Sorry, not quite right. Jeanette Jerome was born and raised in New York City and a socialite. Her education would have included writing in what was almost surely one of the American styles. Considering her place in society, 'Ladies' Hand' (a form of Spencerian) is a likely candidate. Lady Churchill was English only by marriage to a slightly pottier than usual British lord. My father was English and one great-grandfather was French. The handwriting of neither is foreign to me. (I will admit I had trouble with a note the Earl of Darmouth once penned me, but his handwriting would probably defeated anyone other than his secretary.)

 

While it's doubtful W. Churchill wrote in an American hand, Spencer or Palmer or whatever hand Lady Churchill wrote would hardly have been foreign to him, i.e., unknown, strange, or undecipherable. As for Gilbert and Sullivan, I have an advanced degree in vocal performance and am quite aware when they were active. I might point out, however, that Gilbert, like many talented librettists and playwrights, satirized contemporary events and personages by recasting them in earlier settings. His humor was nothing if it wasn't topical. (I'm not a fan.)

 

That said, I didn't suggest the Winston Churchill was the target or subject of the lyric, merely that a Ruler of the Queen's navy might not necessarily find Spencerian (or any other hand) necessarily foreign.

[WestLothian]

Thanks Mickey. I am the victim of a Wiki quick reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Randolph_Churchill

As for the rest, I don't believe there is anything to debate; particularly the dangerous topics of humour and good taste.

I might add that my initial comment was not a rebuke but an attempt at humour

[Mickey]

Thanks Mickey. I am the victim of a Wiki quick reference. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Randolph_Churchill

As for the rest, I don't believe there is anything to debate; particularly the dangerous topics of humour and good taste.

I might add that my initial comment was not a rebuke but an attempt at humour

Mostly you were a victim of the massive crush I had on Lee Remick, that and having a childhood friend equally related (which means hardly at all) to FDR and Winston Churchill.

 

Don't you mean humor and good taste?

[WestLothian]

Now that is worth debating...

[Groundhog]

Until studying this website, I was ignorant of English Roundhand--but now that I am catching up, the very presence of such a script with such a name makes the lyrics even more amusing. Thank you for the correction.

Gilbert and Sullivan might have set their works in other times and in other countries, but their humor was strictly as topical as possible. Their modern-day equivalent would of course be "The Daily Show," or "The Colbert Report."

And no, come to think of it, humor and good taste are generally considered mutually exclusive. Good humor focuses on the foibles and errors of individuals and society in a very public way, while manners and good taste forbid such displays.

[Mickey]

And no, come to think of it, humor and good taste are generally considered mutually exclusive. Good humor focuses on the foibles and errors of individuals and society in a very public way, while manners and good taste forbid such displays.

Good taste merely requires that the target not notice the arrows lodged in his buttocks.

[Groundhog]

Good taste merely requires that the target not notice the arrows lodged in his buttocks.

SNORT! You have hit the white, friend!

[Scribe_Not]

SNORT! You have hit the white, friend!

Now THAT'S funny!

[Willowandme]

I have enjoyed this thread, but I am finding that many of the exemplars are not there, saying the photo has been removed. I am off to see if I can find others...

[caliken]

I have enjoyed this thread, but I am finding that many of the exemplars are not there, saying the photo has been removed. I am off to see if I can find others...

 

The missing exemplars have now been reinstated.

 

Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

Ken

Edited March 31, 2014 by Ken Fraser

[Anne-Sophie]

Below is the link for the French Cursive thread.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/243889-french-cursive/page-2?do=findComment&comment=3025839

 

I need to practice a lot more and this is an handy space to find it.

[Lyander0012]

Just wish to give a quick thank you to all those who've been contributing to this thread so far (well, Mr. caliken in particular); I'm learning a lot and seeing a lot of eyecandy, haha.

 

I remember one of my first threads here was an upload of my penmanship at the time. I was asking for advice and the like, if I recall correctly. I got a lot of help from extremely skilled members such as caliken, Mickey, and pmhudepo, among many others then (I was forum-shy then, so all the comments then were very overwhelming), so I aspire to someday be able to give back to the Penmanship forum.

 

... Not gonna happen anytime soon, I fear

 

Currently working on a style that's a mix of Ornamental majuscules and Madarasz-like lowercase letters. Maybe I'll give it a trial run elsewhere before being so arrogant and hubristic as to post an exemplar here.

 

 

Cheers, and many thanks!

Kevin

Edited September 21, 2014 by Lyander0012

[disillusion]

I found an exemplar of German Suetterlin script in "Ornamental Calligraphy" by George F. Becker. It looks like the exemplar here but is written with a pointed pen at about 55 degree slant. It is rather hard to read (and not helped by my lack of knowledge of German) and probably have not been in use for a long time, but some people might be interested. I believe the images in the book is out of copyright, I can scan it if anyone wants to see the complete alphabet!

 

FPN in Suetterlin script using this generator.

[Lasse R Farnsworth]

Hi ... your generator seems not to work as desired .. my grandmother wrote suetterlin ... With like every "learning" script you get the cool variations with the longer the person writes ..most handwriters in suetterlin tended to make the script much smaller ... the basicv concept would be here (in german sorry) http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ausgangsschrift unfrotunatly I don'T have an sample of her text with me ...

 

And some schools would also mix http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Kurrentschrift Kurrent with suetterlin .. german writing in the teaching is a mess In my days I learned 3 different types of writing ...

Edited November 17, 2014 by Lasse R Farnsworth

[Tuderte]

I realise that this thread was started over six years ago, however, I'm a relative newcomer to the Fountain Pen Network and was wondering if there is any way to access all the exemplars that simply state 'Photo Not Found'. I also see that there has been no activity on the thread for more than four years - is that the reason, perhaps? I have read through all 8 pages of the thread but could find no mention of others having a problem accessing the exemplars.

[pen2paper]

Unfortunately due photo host site changes some early thread photos are gone.

You might find Ken's exemplars existing in other forum threads.

Also look for Ken's videos on YouTube. He did at one time have DVD tutorials.

[rmuth]

I'm not able to access any of the photobuckets on this thread. The links appear to be dead. I would love to see the full alphabet for Zapf Italic #71

 

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd289/caliken_2007/Zapfone400.jpg

http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd289/caliken_2007/Zapftwo400.jpg

Edited July 20, 2012 by caliken

 

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Randy

[mbhdesign]

I came across this online repository of handwriting and lettering penmanship samples circa 1880-1910 from the University of Scranton McHugh Special Collections Archive and thought they might be of interest to this group? It's correctly titled the "Zaner-Bloser, Inc. / Sonya Bloser Monroe Penmanship Collection

 

Main Page:

https://digitalservices.scranton.edu/digital/collection/zanerbloser

 

Lettering Samples:

https://digitalservices.scranton.edu/digital/search/collection/zanerbloser/searchterm/Lettering/field/catego/mode/all/conn/and/order/academ/page/1

 

Penmanship and Writing Specimens:

https://digitalservices.scranton.edu/digital/search/collection/zanerbloser/searchterm/Specimens/field/catego/mode/all/conn/and/order/academ

 

Alphabets (hand lettered, written):

https://digitalservices.scranton.edu/digital/search/collection/zanerbloser/searchterm/Alphabets/field/catego/mode/all/conn/and/order/academ

 

[Distaff]

Very much of interest.  Thank you.   

 

Handwriting from the early 1900's is my favorite.   My grandmother had a little bound graduation book containing hand writing from her class mates (she was born in 1890, and probably would have still been in Ohio, at the time the book was written in).   It was treasured, but not anywhere to be found in the house after my mother died.   I always like looking at script that reminds me of it.   What I recall in the book, was tinier and more slanted than examples I see of "business writing,"  but it was perfectly legible.   

 

Personally, I think we have devolved as a society.