Wait, So My Lamy Bb Isn't Iron Gall?

[millertime]

I know this is about Lamy blue/black but for me Id like to find a sutable replacement. Would Diamine Archival Registrars Ink be safe to use for daily writing in my Lamy and be lightfast for many many years?

 

Dave

[lapis]

Diamine Registrars is safe and lightfast. But... it's the driest IG I know of... if not the driest ink of all....

 

[SchaumburgSwan]

Diamine Registrars is safe and lightfast. But... it's the driest IG I know of... if not the driest ink of all....

 

Hi!

 

Diamine Registrars is a legendary ink, if I hat to choose one ink to have this would be my choice.

Perfect for my lever fillers / sac pens. It is dark to black, noble tinted and very dry indeed.

Akkermann #10 behaves a tad wetter and looks the same.

ESSRI is very similar to Registrar's looking a very small bit different (a touch reddish, a "mysterious" sheen sometimes). Great ink, too.

 

What can't be neglected about all three inks, is a tendency to form a deposit. It's visible in the bottle... No inks for someone letting ink dry on the nib, or cleaning the pen seldomly.

 

Best

Jens

[lapis]

Hi!

 

Diamine Registrars is a legendary ink, if I hat to choose one ink to have this would be my choice.

Perfect for my lever fillers / sac pens. It is dark to black, noble tinted and very dry indeed.

Akkermann #10 behaves a tad wetter and looks the same.

ESSRI is very similar to Registrar's looking a very small bit different (a touch reddish, a "mysterious" sheen sometimes). Great ink, too.

 

What can't be neglected about all three inks, is a tendency to form a deposit. It's visible in the bottle... No inks for someone letting ink dry on the nib, or cleaning the pen seldomly.

 

Best

Jens

Thanks, Jens. Food for thought. All three are maybe the "best" or at least most commonly discussed and recommended IG inks. Akkerman's #10 has often been said to be their "improved" version of the Diamine offer. The Akkerman is in fact wetter (likely due to the different and/or increased amount of surfactant in it).

[wallylynn]

 

All three are maybe the "best" or at least most commonly discussed and recommended IG inks.

They're also basically the only ones available. Lamy stopped, MontBlanc stopped, Pharmacist stopped. RK is also well regarded, but I think the IG content is little. I don't know enough about KWZI. I think Hero and Pelican are unconfirmed.

 

I'm also pretty sure that IG is only partially lightfast. My writing have turned brown in sunshine.

 

I also want to say to decant the ink out of plastic and into glass.

[sciumbasci]

Diamine Registrars is safe and lightfast. But... it's the driest IG I know of... if not the driest ink of all....

 

Adding a drop of dishwasher soap works wonder. I had a sample of Diamine Registrar's stashed away a 5ml bottle, for emergency use.

Turns out it is drier than ESSRI.

 

After spiking it with the soap, it felt much wetter and a pleasure to write with.

[SchaumburgSwan]

  They're also basically the only ones available. Lamy stopped, MontBlanc stopped, Pharmacist stopped. RK is also well regarded, but I think the IG content is little. I don't know enough about KWZI. I think Hero and Pelican are unconfirmed.

 

I'm also pretty sure that IG is only partially lightfast. My writing have turned brown in sunshine.

 

I also want to say to decant the ink out of plastic and into glass.

 

Hi!

Well, there are the Platinum Classic inks (medium IG content, stunning colors) and Gutenberg G10 (high IG, brown-black, a 50/50 mix with ESSRI makes a nice cold black!).

 

To refill into glass is a good idea...

 

Best

Jens

Edited February 10, 2019 by SchaumburgSwan

[SchaumburgSwan]

  (...) I think Hero and Pelican are unconfirmed.

 

Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black smells and behaves like an ink with some IG.

 

Pelikan itself writes it here https://www.pelikan.com/pulse/Pulsar/en_US_INTL.CMS.displayCMS.252360./document-proof-ink.

 

Best

Jens

[wallylynn]

 

 

Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black smells and behaves like an ink with some IG.

 

Pelikan itself writes it here https://www.pelikan.com/pulse/Pulsar/en_US_INTL.CMS.displayCMS.252360./document-proof-ink.

 

thanks. i guess that's new. "back then" we only had our anecdotal observations, but no definitive statement from Pelikan.

[Intensity]

Hi!

Well, there are the Platinum Classic inks (medium IG content, stunning colors) and Gutenberg G10 (high IG, brown-black, a 50/50 mix with ESSRI makes a nice cold black!).

 

To refill into glass is a good idea...

 

Best

Jens

Speaking of G10, does anyone know how/where I might find some for purchase in the US? Is G10 a very high maintenance ink?

[lapis]

 thanks. i guess that's new. "back then" we only had our anecdotal observations, but no definitive statement from Pelikan.

Back then, it even said IG on the label of the bottle.Ask our Cap'n.

[SchaumburgSwan]

Speaking of G10, does anyone know how/where I might find some for purchase in the US? Is G10 a very high maintenance ink?

Hi!

 

Sorry, I can't help with US sellers, even here only few shops have this german registrar's ink...

Yes, it needs roughly the same care as ESSRI or DRI/A#10.

It's an ink giving a unique/strange very old style look...

 

Best

Jens

[stenolearner]

I find it very disappointing that major manufacturers, like Lamy and Montblanc are discontinuing their iron gall ink, leaving it to small ink makers. Sooner or later we're going to have ink which is slightly murky water.

 

Diamine Registrars' ink is good, but it is also extremely dry. The best way to use it is in a pen which is very wet. Then the two counteract each other.

 

That being said, Diamine Registrars ink gives it one little-mentioned advantage: it can write on any paper, even newsprint without bleeding and feathering. In fact, the worse the paper, the better it does - with poor quality paper, it becomes wetter as the paper sucks more ink out of the pen. It is even better than Noodler's Black at writing on poor paper.

 

Another thing to note is that it does have quite a lot of iron gall compared to other inks on the market. If you hold writing in DRI under a tap, you'll find that most of the colour comes from the Iron-Gall, not the water-soluable dye, in contrast to a lot of inks on the market.

 

As I know, to this day, in the UK, Registrar's ink is still used to register births, marriages and deaths.

[Intensity]

Is Akkermans #10 being a more lubricated/better flow version of Diamine Registrars, more feathering-prone on poor paper? Or does it perform more or less the same?

[stenolearner]

I haven't tried Akkerman #10, but I have tried KWZ Blue-Black, and Pelikan 4001 Blue-Black. KWZ BB is well lubricated and wet. Pelikan 4001 is slightly dry, but not as dry as DRI, and has less Iron Gall. KWZ also seems to have some sort of additive which slows down the ink from precipitating inside the pen. I have had KWZ loaded in a Pilot Varsity for about a year, somethimes not using it for a month at a time, and it has shown no signs of corrosion or clogging. I have recently cleaned it out and found that there was not much sediment to be found either.

[lapis]

 thanks. i guess that's new. "back then" we only had our anecdotal observations, but no definitive statement from Pelikan.

 

Taken from https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/254606-does-pelikan-4001-series-inks-contain-any-iron-gall/?p=3547451 :

 

[wallylynn]

 

Taken from https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/254606-does-pelikan-4001-series-inks-contain-any-iron-gall/?p=3547451 :

 

 

 

ha ha you got me. I didn't mean ancient times. just the annual "does pelikan contain iron gall?" thread like the one you referenced.

[SchaumburgSwan]

Is Akkermans #10 being a more lubricated/better flow version of Diamine Registrars, more feathering-prone on poor paper? Or does it perform more or less the same?

 

Hi,

 

yes, "more or less the same" in my experience.

 

Jens