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Parker Sonnet Lookalike Comparison Review.

The Parker Sonnet is a well made, high quality pen. Because of this, it is the target of a lot of fake manufacture, but it has also inspired legitimate pen manufacturers in the Far East (China in particular) to produce their own versions - rather in the same way that in the 1920's, as a major manufacturer came out with a new model, it inspired a plethora of second and third tier manufacurers to produce their own version. Recently I was given the opportunity to compare a number of these Sonnet copies. I have already reviewed the Hero 5020 in detail point by point against the Sonnet, so I thought I'd use that text as the basis for this extended comparison. It had a secondary advantage - I didn't have to think quite so much about what to consider! I am sorry there are so few photos at the moment. I'll try to get a few more some time soon.

My Sonnet came from JML, and has the Date Code PIII, indicating 1st quarter 2007, so it's a 2007 Sonnet 'Refresh' in the parlance used for Sonnets. The Sonnet went through another slight re-design in 2008, but I'm afraid I don't have one of those for comparison. All the pens were new at the time of their initial comparison. The pens being considered are:

  • Parker Sonnet 2007 'Refresh'. Flighter, Chrome Trim. (Frequently shortened to 'PS' in the text)
  • Baoer 388, Flighter, Gold Trim. (B388)
  • Duke 209, Matte Black Finish, Gold Trim. (D209)
  • Hero 5020. Flighter, Chrome Trim. (H5020)
  • Kaigelu 356. Flighter, Chrome Trim. (K356)

 

Comparison of the Five Pens

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When capped, the most noticeable difference between the Sonnet and the Flighter pens is the colour. The Baoer, Hero, and Kaigelu have a more traditional brushed finish of a Parker Flighter, while the Sonnet has a bead blasted finish and a slightly different colour. So, the initial, ironic, impression is that the B388, H5020 & K356 are more like Parker pens than the Parker. The Hero finish is very, very smooth, and it's so smooth it almost feels like polished plastic, however it's not laquered or coated. The Sonnet feel is marginally nicer, but a rougher finish from both would be more tactile and nicer still. The B388 & K356 finish are both rougher, with the K356 roughness being almost identical to the Parker 61 Flighter - which is close to perfect for my fingers. It's rough enough to be felt, but not coarse enough to be scratchy. The B388 is slightly rougher and not quite as nice as the K356, being as nice to hold as the PS. The matte finish of the D209 is attractive, but after experience with the matte black finish on my 1981 Parker 25 I'm dubious about how long the finish will last. Duke may have sorted the problem of the laquer coming off, but to be honest, not many firms have done it adequately.

The PS, D209 and H5020 are of identical length when capped (132mm). The B388 and K356 are longer at 135 and 136mm respectively.

All the look-alike pen barrels are magnetic, indicating they are from a ferritic/martensitic stainless steel, while the Sonnet is non-magnetic, so the barrel is made from an austenitic stainless steel. Interestingly the Kaigelu barrel is barely magnetic towards the section and strongly magnetic at the end of the barrel. I am speculating, but it seems reasonable, that the stainless steel has had its crystal structure so distorted by the deep drawing process making the barrel that the crystal structure is no-longer suitable for orienting magnetic flux, which is why it doesn't seem magnetic over a large part of the barrel.

The empty weights are as below:

  • Sonnet: 26g
  • Baoer 388: 25g
  • Duke 209: 24g
  • Hero 5020: 23.5g
  • Kaigelu 356: 25g

 

Considering the Caps.

The clip of the B388 is almost identical to the PS, except that the metal is thicker and has more curvature, consequently the spring of the clip is stronger - about double that of the PS. The feathers are incised in the clip slightly less sharply than on the PS. The gold coloured plating looks nice & even.

The D209 clip is not a copy of the PS clip. It's stiffness is similar to the B388. The plating appears to be as good as the B388's gold coloured plating.

The clip of the H5020 is almost identical to the Parker Frontier in that the edges of the clip need to be de-burred before plating. The feathers are incised in the Hero clip less sharply than on the PS, and about as well as on the Parker Frontier.

The K356 clip is reminiscent of the Parker arrow, but is not a direct copy (unlike the B388). The clip strength is about 50% greater than the PS. The edge was not touched up after being stamped out, and as a result it's not as smooth as it could be - though it's much better than the H5020 and on a par with the B388 - and the plating over the clip edges is, consequently, a little rough.

The cap finial on the Sonnet is obviously a separate piece, with a distinct curve of the body as it bends under the finial. On my Sonnet the rivet holding the finial has always been a tiny bit loose and the finial has about 0.25mm movement available relative to the cap body. It doesn't rattle, but a fingernail can move it.

The B388 Cap finial is Flush with the cap body & doesn't move at all, giving a greater impression of design and build quality than the PS.

The D209 doesn't have a cap finial at all, with the end of the cap being part of the same deep drawn cap body.

The H5020 finial is flush with the body of the cap and gives a greater impression of design quality than the PS.

The K356 has a flush cap finial, which looks very good.

None of the lookalike pens have the anti-choking breather holes around the jewel that are present on the Sonnet, so the ends of the cap look nicer than the PS. The K356 has a kangaroo moulded in the black bit at the top of the cap.

The cap lip on the Parker is rather wide, and all the engraving is on the lip machining, as occurs with the K356. In fact the K356 looks very like the Sonnet, with the same step to the cap body, diameter, height & similar engraved bands, though the engraving is not quite as sharp as that of the PS. The B388's cap lip is slightly deeper than the Sonnet's, and it is almost flush with the cap body, being just proud enough to feel. The D209's cap lip maching is slightly shallower than the Sonnet's, and is fractionally under-flush, making is the smoothest and most attractive to the hand of all the pens considered. The D209's engraving is sharper than the PS's. The H5020 has its engraving on the cap body just above a much thinner cap lip. The engraving is sharper than on the Parker, but not as deep. The cap lip looks to be proud of the cap body, but it can't be more than 0.1mm proud, just enough to feel but not enough to snag.

Approximate relative force to remove Cap:

  • Sonnet: 1
  • Baoer 388: 4 to 5
  • Duke 209: 1.5
  • Hero 5020: 0.75
  • Kaigelu 356: 2

The B388 can be quite hard to remove, and the H5020 isn't far of the force where the cap will come off on its own if used in a shirt pocket.

On removal of the cap, the pens seem more differentiated. The nib protrusion of the pens is as below:

  • Sonnet: 17mm. (#95 Broad Italic nib & standard Medium nib)
  • Baoer 388: 17.75mm
  • Duke 209: 17mm
  • Hero 5020: 19.5mm.
  • Kaigelu 356: 17mm

When uncapped, all the pens are the same length, except the D209 at 116mm long compared to 120mm for the rest. The D209 is also alone of these pens in having a shiny chrome plated section.

The B388 & K356 have identical size nibs, though the K356 seems smaller because it's silver coloured rather than the two tone gold of the B388. Both nibs are smaller than the PS, D209 and H5020. The D209 and PS nibs are the same width at the widest point, though the PS nib seems bigger because the nib shoulders are further away from the section. The Hero nib is longer than any of the others, and looks slightly out of proportion. All-in-all I think the B388 and K356 have a more attractive nib size in relation to the remainder of the pen. It must be remembered that the Sonnet & these look-alikes are not big pens, so long or wide nibs look wrong. The B388 and K356, interestingly enough have the same size nib as that found on the Jinhao Century Mk2.

Considering the Sections.

http://i771.photobucket.com/albums/xx356/richardandtracy/Reviews/SonnetComparison02.jpg

The sections are a mixture of metal and plastic, so I shall describe them separately.

The Sonnet has a metal cap click ring at the nib and a metal connector thread to the barrel, the remainder of the section appears to be a very hard acrylic. In the usual Parker manner, the connector is metal with the thread starting three millimeters above the joint. The connector forms a decorative ring visible at the base of the barrel, but it's actually part of the section.

The Baoer has a plastic section, which doesn't feel as hard as the Sonnet's, the cap click ring just above the nib seems well plated and well fixed. The plastic moulding extends up the pen to a second machining that forms the connector and a ring around the section at the barrel interface. This is presumably to reduce marking of the soft-ish section.

The D209 section is all metal with a plastic moulded insert for the feed. From the way the plating is shaped over sharp edges, it's obviously thickly chrome plated and should last a long time. The barrel thread is moderately smooth.

The Hero has a moulded plastic section with a similar metal cap click ring just above the nib. The plastic section continues up to the barrel. A diameter reduction occurs at the joint, then the barrel-section thread appears to be plastic, but it's lined with a metal insert to re-inforce this critical joint. The barrel-section thread is continues to the shoulder with the section, unlike all the other pens where there is at least 2mm of thread run-out before the section. The section length is 2.5mm shorter than the PS's section, making the distance from the end of the nib to the barrel exactly the same. The cap click ring on the H5020 is now loose, and spins easily on the section. The fact that it's loose is irritating, as it wicks up ink when dipped to fill the pen, and releases it slowly onto your fingers while writing.

The K356 section initially looks as if it's identical to the PS section. On closer inspection the hardness of the black part is achieved by painting a metal section. The connector ring visible on the PS is duplicated on the K356, but as the end of a threaded insert in the end of the barrel. The K356 section is about 2mm shorter than the PS, though the shape is well duplicated. The overall uncapped length of the pen is the same of the PS by virtue of a longer barrel.

Considering the Barrels.

The Sonnet, D209 and K356 barrels appear to be lined with a plastic insert. In the case of the PS & K356 the inserts form decorative plugs on the end of the barrel.

The B388 & H5020 barrels seem to be slightly thicker & don't need a plastic insert to prevent denting.

The decorative upper ring (that appears to be on the section) is actually part of the barrel on all the look-alike pens, and re-inforces the barrel lip & incorporates the barrel-section thread. This is a design improvement compared to the Sonnet, as the very thin barrel body is left unsupported on the PS for about 0.5mm. This is vulnerable to damage when the barrel is removed (say for filling or if your fingers need something to play with).

The barrel diameters are almost identical.

Interchangability

Due to the similarity of the pens you'd expect quite a bit of interchangability. Well, there is some, but the pens are not really interchangable, and none of the bits really fit properly on any other pen, so I won't go any further with this idea.

 

Build Quality

Oh help. This is a remarkably subjective area, but it needs to be addressed.

The Parker, even though it's a bottom of the range pen, due to its high retail price would be expected to be much higher quality than the Chinese look-alikes. Well. What can I say? The Sonnet and K356 are basically identical when considering build quality. The only differentiation between them is design quality. The PS has better design quality in that the user has been considered in that provision has been made for different nibs. That's it. A Sonnet can be got in the UK for £35-£40, while the K356 can be obtained for under £5. Can the Sonnet's packaging make up the difference? I leave that for you to decide for yourself, but my view is a categorical 'NO'.

The D209 is the next quality pen. I do not know the durability of the finish, so cannot comment on that yet, but the pen seems to be almost as good as the K356. If it weren't for my concerns about the black finish & gold coloured plating, I'd say it's equivalent to the K356.

The B388 and H5020 are not quite as good quality as the K356 or D209. Due to the longevity of the finish, the H5020 shades it, because there is no gold coloured plating to wear away.

Beyond what I have mentioned there is depressingly little to differentate the quality of the PS from the look-alike pens.

 

Writing with the pens

Again, this is a very subjective area.

When I got my Sonnet with its medium nib, it would not write on all paper I had. It skipped and sometimes wouldn't make any sort of mark on the paper. All the Chinese pens wrote immediately, if not superbly, and on all the paper I have. So, in the inital factory produced state, I have to declare (based on a sample size of 1 of each type, which is representative of the pens I have) that the Sonnet utter rubbish and totally unusable, while the others were just not very good. .

Yes. That's right. The Sonnet was infinitely worse than the Chinese look-alikes in the factory state.

The Sonnet wouldn't write properly because it had been given an excessive baby-bottom shape in an endeavour to make it write smoothly on cheap paper. The Chinese pens didn't write well because they weren't smoothed properly or set properly.

Because I had to do more work to the Sonnet to get it to write at all on some paper, in a comparison review I cannot reasonably gripe about the fact I had to polish the nibs on the Chinese pens to make them feel nice.

Having removed some of the 'baby bottom' syndrome on the Sonnet it's very nice to write with, though not quite so smooth as it used to be on ultra cheap paper.

In writing quality terms I probably rate the D209 slightly above the K356. Neither pen needed much work to make them nice to use (a little spreading of the tines and a small polish with 8000 and 12000 grade micromesh). The nib on the D209 is broader than the K356's nib, which is what makes me prefer it, though both qualify as a Western Medium. Both these pens are fractionly less pleasant to use than the Sonnet, but it only shows how nice the Sonnet is now that it will write on all paper.

The B388 and H5020 needed more work to make them write nicely, having to use 6000, 8000 and 12000 grade micromesh to smooth them off to an acceptable degree. Neither writes as nicely as the D209 or K356, but are perfectly acceptable and are no scratchier than the Broad Italic alternative nib I have for the Sonnet.

During writing, due to the similarity in size, weight, weight distribution and shape, the nib is the only thing to differentiate these pens, and the Sonnet just comes out on top. Followed by the Duke & Kaigelu. Get a Hero or Baoer only if the Duke & Kaigelu are unavailable.

 

Conclusion

If you like medium nibs, I would recommend a Kaigelu 356 instead of either the Sonnet or the Duke 209. This preference is based on the fact the K356 is better value for money than the Sonnet, and the finish is likely to be more durable than that of the Duke 209.

If you want something other than a Medium nib, there is no choice, it has to be a Sonnet.

The D209 is better than the H5020 or the B388, but any of these pens are perfectly good writing instruments, just not as good overall as the other two.

 

Hmm, food for thought when I end up recommending a cheap Chinese pen over a member (albeit the cheapest) of one of Parker's flagship ranges. I cannot comment on the gold nibbed Sonnets, or the fancy finishes, but the basic Sonnet has now been at least equalled.

 

I do hope this comparative review has been of interest.

Regards,

Richard.

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Nice review! I went ahead and bought the kaigelu, although relatively new to the fountain pen stuff I cant seem to say no to cheap Chinese pens :P

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Luckily I already bought a micro mesh set. I have a total of 6 chinese pens in the mail, so I am ready for some nib work =P

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Thanks for an interesting review. It's strange that you had so many problems with the Sonnet nib. My fine nib wrote perfectly out of the box on all manner of papers from newsprint (crosswords) to Clairefontaine although the line varies a bit in width. I have since picked up a brushed stainless steel Baoer 388 and in many respects it is identical to the black one except that the nib is very slightly less smooth and the cap is if anything slightly harder to remove.

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Thanks for the very nice and extensive comparisonnotworthy1.gif. One thing you didn't touch on was the converters that came with the pens. Any differences there?

 

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I have a Sonnet and have had the Baoer 388. The Baoer is great value for money and well enough made but the Sonnet is better. Where they differ greatly is the nib. Both wrote well but the Baoer is a nail and the Sonnet (gold) nib has a nice amount of spring to it, which I much prefer. I am not sure that you can assign any design achievements to the Chinese pens as they are copies of the Sonnet.

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Just a quick note, after a flight from Singapore to LA. The Duke 209 comes in 3 finishes as far as I can tell. There is a stainless steel one which comes which 2 nibs (A "Zoom" Nib and a regular) which cost around 69 RMB compare to the 36 RMB for the Matte Black version. That would be a slightly better compare than the rest.

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  On 6/3/2012 at 2:52 PM, rdh said:

Thanks for the very nice and extensive comparisonnotworthy1.gif. One thing you didn't touch on was the converters that came with the pens. Any differences there?

 

Dave

 

Other than the rest are international standard other than the Parker Sonnet, I will leave Richard to comment on the build quality. The Duke 209 and the Kaigelu 356 deserve a in depth review with pictures. thumbup.gif

 

 

 

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  On 6/3/2012 at 2:52 PM, rdh said:

Thanks for the very nice and extensive comparisonnotworthy1.gif. One thing you didn't touch on was the converters that came with the pens. Any differences there?

 

Dave

Dave,

 

I always regards convertors as disposable so rarely think about them. The convertors on all the Chinese pens are twist convertors that take about as much ink as a standard International cartridge. The spigot diameter is suitable for an international cartridge. They are all pretty much the same quality, but of them all the Hero is slightly worse, the rest are OK rather than great. You can get 10 suitable c/c's on e-bay for under US$10, so they really can be treated as disposable.

 

The Sonnet c/c is a Parker Delux twist c/c, and is about 30% longer, taking 30% more ink. It has a parker size c/c nipple (ie a bit bigger than the international size) and is not interchangable with the international size. The quality is pretty good, but not much greater than those in the D209/ K356.

 

Regards,

 

Richard

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  On 6/4/2012 at 9:55 PM, richardandtracy said:
  On 6/3/2012 at 2:52 PM, rdh said:

Thanks for the very nice and extensive comparisonnotworthy1.gif. One thing you didn't touch on was the converters that came with the pens. Any differences there?

 

Dave

Dave,

 

I always regards convertors as disposable so rarely think about them. The convertors on all the Chinese pens are twist convertors that take about as much ink as a standard International cartridge. The spigot diameter is suitable for an international cartridge. They are all pretty much the same quality, but of them all the Hero is slightly worse, the rest are OK rather than great. You can get 10 suitable c/c's on e-bay for under US$10, so they really can be treated as disposable.

 

The Sonnet c/c is a Parker Delux twist c/c, and is about 30% longer, taking 30% more ink. It has a parker size c/c nipple (ie a bit bigger than the international size) and is not interchangable with the international size. The quality is pretty good, but not much greater than those in the D209/ K356.

 

Regards,

 

Richard

 

Thanks Richard,

 

I see the converter as a part of the pen that is not visible, but is important for function, so I think it is an indicator of whether the manufacturer is just making a copy or trying to make a good writing instrument. I have seen everything from the nice screw-in converters of the Kaigelu 316 with the small ball to reduce surface tension to crummy press-on aerometric converters that leak with flimsy press-bars that break after a good flushing. It sounds like none of these "Sonnets" are of such poor quality and that is good.

 

Dave

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Thank you for the great work! I just got a B388 in the mail this evening (along with a few YongShengs, Heroes and Jinhaos) and had to spend a little while adjusting and polishing the nib before it was acceptable for use. I had assumed the B388 would use the same nib and feed as my Baoer 574 (a great pen and and amazing nib!) but that was not the case. Still, worth the price. I think I will try the Kaigelu next.

 

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Great review, I really enjoyed reading it. Thank you for the fantastic level of detail. If the duke had the same finish on the section as the rest of the pen, I'd go for it like a shot!

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Very intersting, I have been eying the Bauer 388 but now the kaigelu 356 looks pretty interesting too

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  On 6/5/2012 at 1:57 AM, rdh said:

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Thanks Richard,

 

I see the converter as a part of the pen that is not visible, but is important for function, so I think it is an indicator of whether the manufacturer is just making a copy or trying to make a good writing instrument. I have seen everything from the nice screw-in converters of the Kaigelu 316 with the small ball to reduce surface tension to crummy press-on aerometric converters that leak with flimsy press-bars that break after a good flushing. It sounds like none of these "Sonnets" are of such poor quality and that is good.

 

Dave

 

Dave,

 

All the c/c's do have little balls, but are one step down from the quality of the c/c found in the K316.

 

I've been using the K356 a fair bit today, and have had absolutely no issues with the c/c at all. With this number of lookalikes it's difficult to use them as much as you'd like before rushing off & making a review. All I can say is that the more I use the D209 & K 356 the more I'm liking them.

 

Regards,

 

Richard.

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Nice review, I own the Baoer 388, and keep it at my office. I never had to do any kind of nib smoothing, it wrote reasonably well out of the box. Sometimes it skipped but that was rare. The nib is quite smooth.

 

From what you mention in your review, the original Sonnet does not have much more to offer than the cheaper Chinese replicas....

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From what you mention in your review, the original Sonnet does not have much more to offer than the cheaper Chinese replicas....

 

Perhaps, though without all the effort and expense Parker put into designing it, there would be no cheap replicas....

 

 

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Aye. Parker obviously spent a good deal of time & money designing the Sonnet. By now, given the numbers they have produced, the design cost must have been amortised into fractions of a penny per pen, and anyway if they behave like most manufacturing business I know, the design will have been amortised over a 3 year product cycle, so even the 2008 revamp will have been paid for by now.

 

I do say in the review that the Sonnet has better design quality, with other nib sizes being considered and possible to swap out. This, I feel, is the one area that the Chinese pens lag behind in.

 

Regards,

 

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Thanks for the very thorough review! I will probably be ordering one, or two, or three shortly. :rolleyes:

 

Yes, I agree on the lack of originality in the designs that are reviewed here. Its obvious, but not overly concerning to me. At least they do show some originality.

 

Being a Parker fan, you would think I would find fault with all of these Chinese variations, but I don't. As long as none of them are trying to counterfeit a true Parker, I don't see a problem.

 

Yes, they do need to come up with some more original design work to get to the"next level". And I think a couple of the companies are actually attempting it, but you don't necessarily see it in these particular models.

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      In Europe, the only (truly) American produced brand is Esterbrook AFAIK. Tariffs will make Esterbrook products compete on the same level as some high-end European brands (let's say Aurora), while clearly the product is manufactured to compete on a much lower price level.
    • lamarax 11 Apr 0:24
      So let's say you want to buy a Montblanc or whatever. You pay the current tariff on top of the usual price, unless your local distributor is willing to absorb (some) of the difference
    • lamarax 11 Apr 0:20
      Tariffs are paid by the importer, not the exporter.
    • TheQuillDeal 10 Apr 2:44
      Can anyone explain how the tariff war will affect fountain pen prices??
    • Penguincollector 30 Mar 15:07
      Oh yes, pictures are on the “ I got this pen today” thread.
    • lectraplayer 29 Mar 9:19
      Is it here yet?
    • Penguincollector 26 Mar 5:00
      I just got the tracking information for my Starwalker💃🏻
    • T.D. Rabbit 3 Mar 12:46
      @lamarax I am horrified... And slightly intrigued. But mostly just scared.
    • lamarax 2 Mar 20:38
      Oh well. In case of failure you can always wring the paper to have a nice -albeit somewhat stale- cup of coffee back.
    • T.D. Rabbit 2 Mar 10:20
      @Astronymus I could use cornstarch... Or i could distill it and make it very concentrated.
    • T.D. Rabbit 2 Mar 10:20
      @lamarax That's what I used! (In reply to black coffee).. But the milk might not be good at all for paper.
    • Grayfeather 2 Mar 0:08
      Good day, all.
    • Gertrude F 20 Feb 17:58
      Sorry think I posted this in the wrong place. Used to be a user, just re-upped. Be kind. 😑
    • Gertrude F 20 Feb 17:56
      Looking to sell huge lot of pretty much every Man 200 made - FP, BP, MP, one or two RBs. Does anyone have a suggestion for a bulk purhase house? Thanks - and hope this doesn't violate any rules.
    • lamarax 17 Feb 18:05
      Cappuccino should work. Frothy milk also helps to lubricate the nib. But it has to be made by a barista.
    • Astronymus 17 Feb 16:19
      YOu might need to thicken the coffee with something. I admit I have no idea with what. But I'm pretty sure it would work.
    • asnailmailer 3 Feb 17:35
      it is incowrimo time and only very few people are tempting me
    • lamarax 31 Jan 21:34
      Try black coffee. No sugar.
    • T.D. Rabbit 31 Jan 8:11
      Coffee is too light to write with though I've tried.
    • Astronymus 29 Jan 21:46
      You can use coffee and all other kinds of fluid with a glas pen. 😉
    • Roger Zhao 29 Jan 14:37
      chocolate is yummy
    • Bucefalo 17 Jan 9:59
      anyone sells vacumatic push button shafts
    • stxrling 13 Jan 1:25
      Are there any threads or posts up yet about the California Pen Show in February, does anyone know?
    • lamarax 10 Jan 20:27
      Putting coffee in a fountain pen is far more dangerous
    • asnailmailer 9 Jan 0:09
      Don't drink the ink
    • zug zug 8 Jan 16:48
      Coffee inks or coffee, the drink? Both are yummy though.
    • LandyVlad 8 Jan 5:37
      I hear the price of coffee is going up. WHich is bad because I like coffee.
    • asnailmailer 6 Jan 14:43
      time for a nice cup of tea
    • Just J 25 Dec 1:57
      @liauyat re editing profile: At forum page top, find the Search panel. Just above that you should see your user name with a tiny down arrow [🔽] alongside. Click that & scroll down to CONTENT, & under that, Profile. Click that, & edit 'til thy heart's content!
    • liapuyat 12 Dec 12:20
      I can't seem to edit my profile, which is years out of date, because I've only returned to FPN again recently. How do you fix it?
    • mattaw 5 Dec 14:25
      @lantanagal did you do anything to fix that? I get that page every time I try to go to edit my profile...
    • Penguincollector 30 Nov 19:14
      Super excited to go check out the PDX Pen Bazaar today. I volunteered to help set up tables. It should be super fun, followed by Xmas tree shopping. 😁
    • niuben 30 Nov 10:41
      @Nurse Ratchet
    • Nurse Ratchet 30 Nov 2:49
      Newbie here!!! Helloall
    • Emes 25 Nov 23:31
      jew
    • Misfit 9 Nov 2:38
      lantanagal, I’ve only seen that happen when you put someone on the ignore list. I doubt a friend would do that.
    • lantanagal 7 Nov 19:01
      UPDATE - FIXED NOW Exact message is: Requested page not available! Dear Visitor of the Fountain Pen Nuthouse The page you are requesting to visit is not available to you. You are not authorised to access the requested page. Regards, The FPN Admin Team November 7, 2024
    • lantanagal 7 Nov 18:59
      UPDATE - FIXED NOW Trying to send a pen friend a reply to a message, keep getting an error message to say I don't have access. Anyone any ideas? (tried logging our and back in to no avail)
    • Dr.R 2 Nov 16:58
      Raina’s
    • fireant 2 Nov 1:36
      Fine-have you had a nibmeister look at it?
    • carlos.q 29 Oct 15:19
      @FineFinerFinest: have you seen this thread? https://www.fountainpennetwor...nging-pelikan-nibs/#comments
    • FineFinerFinest 24 Oct 8:52
      No replies required to my complaints about the Pelikan. A friend came to the rescue with some very magnification equipment - with the images thrown to a latge high res screen. Technology is a wonderful thing. Thanks to Mercian for the reply. I had been using the same paper & ink for sometime when the "singing" started. I have a theory but no proof that nibs get damaged when capping the pen. 👍
    • Mercian 22 Oct 22:28
      @FineFinerFinest: sometimes nib-'singing' can be lessened - or even cured - by changing the ink that one is putting through the pen, or the paper that one is using. N.b. *sometimes*. Good luck
    • Bluetaco 22 Oct 22:04
      howdy
    • FineFinerFinest 21 Oct 5:23
      I'm not expecting any replies to my question about the singing Pelikan nib. It seems, from reading the background, that I am not alone. It's a nice pen. It's such a pity Pelikan can't make decent nibs. I have occasionally met users who tell me how wonderful their Pelikan nib is. I've spent enough money to know that not everyone has this experience. I've worked on nibs occasionally over forty years with great success. This one has me beaten. I won't be buying any more Pelikan pens. 👎
    • FineFinerFinest 21 Oct 4:27
      I've had a Pelikan M805 for a couple of years now and cannot get the nib to write without singing. I've worked on dozens of nibs with great success. Ny suggestion about what's going wrong? 😑
    • Bhakt 12 Oct 5:45
      Any feedback in 100th anniversary Mont Blanc green pens?
    • Glens pens 8 Oct 15:08
      @jordierocks94 i happen to have platinum preppy that has wrote like (bleep) since i bought it my second pen....is that something you would wish to practice on?
    • jordierocks94 4 Oct 6:26
      Hello all - New here. My Art studies have spilled me into the ft pen world where I am happily submerged and floating! I'm looking to repair some cheap pens that are starving for ink yet filled, and eventually get new nibs; and development of repair skills (an even longer learning curve than my art studies - lol). Every hobby needs a hobby, eh ...
    • The_Beginner 18 Sept 23:35
      horse notebooks if you search the title should still appear though it wont show you in your proflie
    • Jayme Brener 16 Sept 22:21
      Hi, guys. I wonder if somebody knows who manufactured the Coro fountain pens.
    • TheHorseNotebooks 16 Sept 13:11
      Hello, it's been ages for me since I was here last time. I had a post (http://www.fountainpennetwork...-notebooks/?view=getnewpost) but I see that it is no longer accessible. Is there anyway to retrieve that one?
    • Refujio Rodriguez 16 Sept 5:39
      I have a match stick simplomatic with a weidlich nib. Does anyone know anything about this pen?
    • The_Beginner 15 Sept 16:11
      dusty yes, glen welcome
    • Glens pens 11 Sept 1:22
      Hello, Im new to FPN I'm so happy to find other foutain penattics. collecting almost one year ,thought I would say hello to everyone.
    • DustyBin 8 Sept 14:34
      I haven't been here for ages... do I take it that private sales are no longer allowed? Also used to be a great place to sell and buy some great pens
    • Sailor Kenshin 1 Sept 12:37
      Lol…
    • JungleJim 1 Sept 1:55
      Perhaps it's like saying Beetlejuice 3 times to get that person to appear, though with @Sailor Kenshin you only have to say it twice?
    • Sailor Kenshin 31 Aug 21:06
      ?
    • Duffy 29 Aug 19:31
      @Sailor Kenshin @Sailor Kenshin
    • Seney724 26 Aug 22:07
    • Diablo 26 Aug 22:05
      Thank you so much, Seney724. I really appreciate your help!
    • Seney724 26 Aug 21:43
      I have no ties or relationship. Just a very happy customer. He is a very experienced Montblanc expert.
    • Seney724 26 Aug 21:42
      I strongly recommend Kirk Speer at https://www.penrealm.com/
    • Diablo 26 Aug 21:35
      @Seney724. The pen was recently disassembled and cleaned, but the nib and feed were not properly inserted into the holder. I'm in Maryland.
    • Diablo 26 Aug 21:32
      @Seney724. The nib section needs to be adjusted properly.
    • Seney724 26 Aug 18:16
      @Diablo. Where are you? What does it need?
    • Diablo 26 Aug 16:58
      Seeking EXPERIENCED, REPUTABLE service/repair for my 149. PLEASE help!!!
    • Penguincollector 19 Aug 19:42
      @Marta Val, reach out to @terim, who runs Peyton Street Pens and is very knowledgeable about Sheaffer pens
    • Marta Val 19 Aug 14:35
      Hello, could someone recommend a reliable venue: on line or brick and mortar in Fairfax, VA or Long Island, NY to purchase the soft parts and a converter to restore my dad's Sheaffer Legacy? please. Thanks a mill.
    • The_Beginner 18 Aug 2:49
      is there a guy who we can message to find a part for us with a given timelimit if so please let me know his name!
    • virtuoso 16 Aug 15:15
      what happene to the new Shaeffer inks?
    • Scribs 14 Aug 17:09
      fatehbajwa, in Writing Instruments, "Fountain Pens + Dip Pens First Stop" ?
    • fatehbajwa 14 Aug 12:17
      Back to FPN after 14 years. First thing I noticed is that I could not see a FS forum. What has changed? 🤔
    • Kika 5 Aug 10:22
      Are there any fountain pen collectors in Qatar?
    • T.D. Rabbit 31 July 18:58
      Ahh okay, thanks!
    • Scribs 29 July 18:51
      @ TDRabbit, even better would be in Creative Expressions area, subform The Write Stuff
    • T.D. Rabbit 29 July 11:40
      Okay, thanks!
    • JungleJim 29 July 0:46
      @T.D. Rabbit Try posting it in the "Chatter Forum". You have to be logged in to see it.
    • T.D. Rabbit 28 July 17:54
      Hello! Is there a thread anywhere 'round here where one can post self-composed poetry? If not, would it be alright if I made one? I searched on google, but to no avail...
    • OldFatDog 26 July 19:41
      I have several Parker Roller Ball & Fiber Tip refills in the original packaging. Where and how do I sell them? The couple that I've opened the ink still flowed when put to paper. Also if a pen would take the foller ball refill then it should take the fiber tip as well? Anyway it's been awhile and I'm want to take my message collection beyond the few pieces that I have... Meaning I don't have a Parker these refills will fit in 🙄
    • RegDiggins 23 July 12:40
      Recently was lucky enough to buy a pristine example of the CF crocodile ball with the gold plating. Then of course I faced the same problem we all have over the years ,of trying to find e refill. Fortunately I discovered one here in the U.K. I wonder if there are other sources which exist in other countries, by the way they were not cheap pen
    • The_Beginner 20 July 20:35
      Hows it going guys i have a code from pen chalet that i wont use for 10% off and it ends aug 31st RC10AUG its 10% off have at it fellas
    • T.D. Rabbit 19 July 9:33
      Somewhat confusing and off-putting ones, as said to me by my very honest friends. I don't have an X account though :<
    • piano 19 July 8:41
      @The Devil Rabbit what kind of? Let’s go to X (twitter) with #inkdoodle #inkdoodleFP
    • Mort639 17 July 1:03
      I have a Conway Stewart Trafalgar set. It was previously owned by actor Russell Crowe and includes a letter from him. Can anyone help me with assessing its value?
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