Can Someone Help Me Identify This Waterman Rollerball?

[tonydent84]

I have a Waterman rollerball that I bought and it was advertised as a Laureat. But I also own several other Laureat rollerball pens, one from the first generation and the others from the second generation, and this one doesn't quite match up with any of my Laureats. I was hoping you guys could help identify it. I think it was a model very similar to the Laureat but not quite the Laureat. There seems to be too many details that are just different. But maybe they are the same pen. I don't know. Thanks in advance for any help!

 

 

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7098/7219954548_a44ea1a650.jpg On this picture, I just wanted to show the general view and the size difference between the two. The left one in read is the unknown Waterman that resembles the one on the right which is the Waterman Laureat (the first generation).

 

 

 

 

 

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5039/7219954440_799fbfa585.jpg On this picture you can see a difference in the "W" insignia at the top of both clips between the two models (left = unknown and the right one = the Laureat first generation)

 

 

 

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7213/7219954270_0da8ee17d5.jpg On this one I wanted to show that the clip is longer on the bottom one (the Laureat) than on the top one (the unknown). Also, the trimmings are flat on the laureat but protrude and are a bit round on the unknown.

 

 

 

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7090/7219954166_9dfb6c50d1.jpg The grip section for the Laureat (on top) is ridged and can be removed. The grip section for the unknown is smooth and cannot be removed from the pen (you place the refills in from the back or bottom of the pen).

 

 

 

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5079/7219954038_c924f56abf.jpg Here both pens are posted on the tail ends. The laureat's rim comes close to the tail end of the pen while the unknown leaves a large gap (where a "step up" begins) between the cap and the body of the pen.

 

 

 

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/7219953840_ebc23675ed.jpg Here the unknown (on top) is shown again to emphasize that it's very top of the cap has a crease in it while the top of the Laureat cap on the bottom is just a flat disk.

 

 

 

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7223/7219953750_3f8fbc4cd9.jpg Finally, the tail ends of both pens. The laureat's on top is smaller than the unknown's on the bottom. And there is a large step up in this piece about halfway.

[Left FPN]

I think the logo on the clip was used in the 70's. Pens from that era I have seen for sale had that form of 'W' logo on them.

 

Both are early models with the square clips.

 

The unknown one has Executive style rings.

 

Roller ball grips changed from plain (early) to convoluted (late) so I suspect you have a very very early RB.

Edited May 18, 2012 by Force

[fuchsiaprincess]

I believe that it is a Laureat.

[tonydent84]

I think the logo on the clip was used in the 70's. Pens from that era I have seen for sale had that form of 'W' logo on them.

 

Both are early models with the square clips.

 

The unknown one has Executive style rings.

 

Roller ball grips changed from plain (early) to convoluted (late) so I suspect you have a very very early RB.

 

 

Yeah it does seem reasonable to say that the pen is from the 1970s when you actually hold the pen. It just feels less "precise" if that's even the right word. The logo I haven't seen on a Waterman before, so it is possible it is really from the 1970s. Do you happen to know the range of years the Laureat was around for?

[tonydent84]

I believe that it is a Laureat.

 

Yeah the similarities seem overwhelming. I just cant find another one like it no matter where I look. then it occurred to me that I might be using the wrong name for it and that perhaps this pen is not a Laureat after all.

[Left FPN]

Do you happen to know the range of years the Laureat was around for?

 

The earliest catalogue I have dates from around the 80's...I think because it is undated, but I am going on the known pens. It has the Exclusives which I am fairly sure were mid to late 80's and the Expert 1.

 

The Laureat shown in it is the first version with the square clip, the same as yours.

 

I think you can safely call it rare...but can still be found. But strangely this one has the later 'W' on its clip.

Edited May 19, 2012 by Force

[Nath]

I do not know if you are still interested by this issue, which was also mine :hmm1: .

I have two rollerballs Waterman, one purchased in 1985/1986 (the number 103, see below) and a second (black) offered by a friend.

Until last fall, I had always thought that my two rollerballs were Laureat and one day André Mora told me "this is not a Laureat but Executive". He's the expert.

I found no information and a few days ago, I re-opened the catalog of the auction Artcurial - Pens Waterman - Collection Francine Gomez on 7 June 2010 and there Oh! Miracle.

I put the link to the Website of the Auction House: http://www.artcurial.com/fr/asp/fullCatalogue.asp?salelot=1876+++++100+&refno=10302260

 

 

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/956104Artcurial1.jpg

 

100 : EXECUTIVE Stylo feutre / Rollerball

106 : EXECUTIVE Parure bille + mine / Set Ballpoint + Pencil

199 : MASTER, feutre et un mine Exécutive / Rollerball + Executive pencil

98 : EXECUTIVE Parure feutre + porte-mine / Set Rollerball + Pencil

420 : EXECUTIVE Porte-mines / Pencil

99 : EXECUTIVE Stylo feutre / Rollerball

 

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/743959Artcurial2.jpg

 

104 : SUPERMASTER, parure plume + bille / Set FP + ballpoint

410 : LAUREAT Stylo bille / Ballpoint

277 : TRES RARE COLLECTION MASTER Parure feutre + bille. Modèle Peut être un prototype / Extremmelly rare collection MASTER set Rollerball + Ballpoint, May be a prototype.

102 : LAUREAT Stylo plume / FP

103 : EXECUTIVE Stylo feutre / Rollerball

 

 

My (new) Executive Rollerball

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/883858MyExecutive103.jpg

 

The auction catalog: http://img90.xooimage.com/views/8/4/1/artcurial_francin...uin-2010-3cbfdab.pdf/

 

Nice evening!

Edited March 18, 2013 by Nath

[Left FPN]

While I would not disagree with the man himself...this is an Executive.

 

[Left FPN]

Further to...it's a Hemisphere in some parts of the world.