Akkerman IJzer-Galnoten Bl/zw (#10)

[tenney]

Wow. Thanks for that info.

[lapis]

.... If a pen has any aluminum, brass or non-stainless steel components in contact with the ink, there's a good chance IG will corrode or destroy them. However, few good quality pens have such parts....

Whoa! Don't forget that Pelikan M800s and M1000s have solid brass inside mechanics!!

[raging.dragon]

.... If a pen has any aluminum, brass or non-stainless steel components in contact with the ink, there's a good chance IG will corrode or destroy them. However, few good quality pens have such parts....

Whoa! Don't forget that Pelikan M800s and M1000s have solid brass inside mechanics!!

 

I'd completely forgotten them.

 

Though I believe the brass parts are behind the piston seal, and thus shouldn't be in regular contact with the ink. Brass can be highly corrosion resistant (that's why it's used for roofs, statues and was historically used for alot of shipboard fittings). I'm not certain how well brass would stand up to the highly acidic inks (like IG inks). First because this will depend greatly on the specific brass alloy used. Second because I'm pretty sure that what little data I found on this was looking at higher acid concentrations than seen in any ink.

Edited May 5, 2012 by raging.dragon

[DanielCoffey]

The modern Pelikans will be fine because all the brass parts will be behind the seal.

[amberleadavis]

WOW thank you!

[tinta]

A very very thorough review. Thanks!

I'm patiently waiting for a bottle of this same stuff to get through Canada Customs.

Gulp!

To while away the time, I have been systematically reading through all the ferro-gallic ink reviews on the FPN.

Right off the bat, I should have started with your fine review of the Akkerman #10, Ijzer-Galnoten, blauw/zwart.

[lapis]

A very very thorough review. Thanks!

I'm patiently waiting for a bottle of this same stuff to get through Canada Customs.

Gulp!

To while away the time, I have been systematically reading through all the ferro-gallic ink reviews on the FPN.

Right off the bat, I should have started with your fine review of the Akkerman #10, Ijzer-Galnoten, blauw/zwart.

Thanks, and since you happen to be an iron-gall freak like me -- by no means shunning away hundreds of other members here -- then why don't you just buy all of 'em? I mean, there are only about one-and-a half handfulls of these out there anyway.

 

'eh?

[tinta]

Been thinking about that, but I'll have to proceed slowly, as budget allows. Probably the MB version will be next.

My interest in IG inks is concerning their waterproof quality, without being over-saturated, bulletproof, eternal, etc.......

[jbn10161]

Although this review is months old, I just saw it today. What a fantastically helpful and thorough review! Thank you.

[hologram]

Great review, thanks.

I am also a fan of iron gall inks (only R&K so far), seems now I need to buy some more.

Great looking old school bottle.

[tinta]

Hologram, I love the hat.

[laureat]

Despite all the good information about the relative harmfullness of Iron Gall ink in modern pens:

I'll have to shock the Ijzer Galnoten fans of Akkerman:

 

Too many problems with this ink (and with Diep DuinwaterBlauw) are forcing Akkerman to stop selling the Ijzer Galnoten Inkt when they run out of stock.

So once the last bottle is sold there will be no more Akkerman Iron Gall

It was confirmed to me today by one of the staff members. I was informed before in the store itself when buying Diep Duinwater blauw.

[lapis]

Duh.... I thought that I had aleady posted this here at one time or another... but ... I guess I didn't. Probably had one to many when I was out with our good captain. http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/Pint.gif

The question had been raised whether or not this iron-gall blue-black is the same as Diamine's Registrar's Ink (their own iron-gall blue-black. I wrote above that however similar they looked, they still weren't the same inks. I still found that the Akkerman ink wrote better; I found it to enable a better flow. Likely the addition of a 0.001 to 0.01% (v/v) tenside (detergent/lubricant). You don't see the presence of anything like that in most forms of chromatograpy.

 

Here's a scan of paper chromatograms using two pieces of blotting paper and either distilled water or a 1:1 mixture of water and isopropanol:

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/AkkermanvsDiamineIG--blue-blacks-1.jpg

 

Sigh

[WhosYerBob]

Excellent, excellent review -- many thanks!

 

Too many problems with this ink (and with Diep DuinwaterBlauw) are forcing Akkerman to stop selling the Ijzer Galnoten Inkt when they run out of stock.

So once the last bottle is sold there will be no more Akkerman Iron Gall.

It was confirmed to me today by one of the staff members. I was informed before in the store itself when buying Diep Duinwater blauw.

Really? I just placed an order last week and it includes a bottle of the Galnoten; the confirmation note from Paul Rutte made no mention of there being a problem.

 

 

Edited November 18, 2012 by WhosYerBob

[lapis]

Despite all the good information about the relative harmfullness of Iron Gall ink in modern pens:

I'll have to shock the Ijzer Galnoten fans of Akkerman:

 

Too many problems with this ink (and with Diep DuinwaterBlauw) are forcing Akkerman to stop selling the Ijzer Galnoten Inkt when they run out of stock.

So once the last bottle is sold there will be no more Akkerman Iron Gall

It was confirmed to me today by one of the staff members. I was informed before in the store itself when buying Diep Duinwater blauw.

Would it be possible to elucidate a bit here? What were the problems? I haven't yet experienced any problems. (Not that I don't believe you; my bottle will last for a long time....) Maybe it isn't selling well enough either because it is an IG in the first place (which I often think many of us shun in any case) and/or those who are interested buy the Diamine version instead.

 

 

Mike

 

 

[tinta]

I have just finished a pen filled with Diamine Registrar's ink.

Akkerman # 10 finally "cures" to a much lighter shade of blauw-zwart than the Diamine ink.

Much more blue.

 

Using the same paper & same wet 0.95 mm. nib, the two inks look quite different.

My Registrar's turns almost black.

[raging.dragon]

I have just finished a pen filled with Diamine Registrar's ink.

Akkerman # 10 finally "cures" to a much lighter shade of blauw-zwart than the Diamine ink.

Much more blue.

 

Using the same paper & same wet 0.95 mm. nib, the two inks look quite different.

My Registrar's turns almost black.

 

Interesting. Sounds like the Akkerman ink has a lower IG content.

[Sandy1]

Despite all the good information about the relative harmfullness of Iron Gall ink in modern pens:

I'll have to shock the Ijzer Galnoten fans of Akkerman:

 

Too many problems with this ink (and with Diep DuinwaterBlauw) are forcing Akkerman to stop selling the Ijzer Galnoten Inkt when they run out of stock.

So once the last bottle is sold there will be no more Akkerman Iron Gall

It was confirmed to me today by one of the staff members. I was informed before in the store itself when buying Diep Duinwater blauw.

Hi,

 

That really is a pity.

 

Its one thing if the ink itself has some kind of 'problem', such as stability, which would only become apparent over time; but it is quite another if the 'problem' is at the User end of things, especially pen use & maintenance.

 

The Montblanc ferro-gallic inks, Blue-Black & Midnight Blue, both come with instructions, " . . . [pens] should be cleaned approximately every three months . . ." Which is re-iterated as an 'Important note' for the above inks.

 

Perhaps ink Co.s would be doing their customers and themselves a favour by including such basic information on their websites and with the ink [labels].

(Setting aside the tongue-in-cheek advisory on Noodler's Kung Te-Cheng.)

 

Pardon me for wondering/wandering Off-Topic.

 

Bye,

S1

Edited November 19, 2012 by Sandy1

[lapis]

But Sandy... that's not wandering, it's focussing. I too find -- completely in principle -- that MB is one of the very very best companies manufacturing inks. They have their own inventions plus regular improvements of nicely characterized things like the inks themselves, the bottles, the boxes, the availability and over and above all of those goodies... they even have (as you just pointed out) their own instruction sheet. I don't know why other companies don't follow these lines...

 

If the forum posts this in one second twice, that otta teach them (other companies) a thing or two about life.

[georges zaslavsky]

Interesting review thanks for sharing