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[Ghost Plane]

After yesterday's pen meet which featured multiple left handed writers testing a sheet of this, I figure it's only fair we post a caveat for the assorted lefties:

 

Ink will take a very long time to dry on this paper and lefties will experience frustrating levels of ink smudge. :bonk: :bonk: :bonk:

 

There, you can't say you weren't warned.

[penhand]

I did a weeklong smudge and water dop test with noodlers heart of darkness. It took a few days before the water drop test didn't pull up ink and almost a week until water drops then smear didn't yield ink.

 

Note heart of darkness on something that is cellulose and absorbent is bulletproof almost instantly.

 

All that said, I'm not sure the performance we see is much different from other premium smooth papers. Comments from others who know would be great.

[Ghost Plane]

Seems comparable to Rhodia in dry time to my amateur eyes. But then I'm not writing left handed, which is why I brought it up after cries of dismay came from that end of the table.

[Kugelschreiber]

Has anyone contacted JetPens about carrying this paper?

[penhand]

Has anyone contacted JetPens about carrying this paper?

I've not heard that anyone had conversation with someone here in the US about carrying this paper.

 

However, I did a quick calculation in this thread https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/228056-by-the-tamoe-river/ and just couldn't make the numbers work (at least in my head) for a business to ship this paper in and make a reasonable profit (unless they are already selling bulk artisan papers) since paper is expensive to ship in, big to warehouse and expensive to ship out.

 

In this respect, paper has a much different characteristic from pens or ink.

[Kugelschreiber]

Has anyone contacted JetPens about carrying this paper?

I've not heard that anyone had conversation with someone here in the US about carrying this paper.

 

However, I did a quick calculation in this thread https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/228056-by-the-tamoe-river/ and just couldn't make the numbers work (at least in my head) for a business to ship this paper in and make a reasonable profit (unless they are already selling bulk artisan papers) since paper is expensive to ship in, big to warehouse and expensive to ship out.

 

In this respect, paper has a much different characteristic from pens or ink.

 

 

I think someone mentioned a couple pages back discussing it with Brian Goulet. You are probably right about it being cost prohibitive, but I figured since JetPens specializes in Japanese products not readily available elsewhere, it might be worth a shot.

[DanF]

Don't know about HOD, but with Henry Hudson Blue (Noodler's bulletproof) the ink is virtually impervious to water as soon as it is dry on the paper, same with a blend of Violet Vote and Legal Lapis. The tiniest bit of dye did come loose while scrubbing it dry, but that happened on an index card as well. This leads me to think that HOD may be more of a near bulletproof ink than in the same class of Noodler's black or the other true bulletproofs.

 

Dan

 

I did a weeklong smudge and water dop test with noodlers heart of darkness. It took a few days before the water drop test didn't pull up ink and almost a week until water drops then smear didn't yield ink.

 

Note heart of darkness on something that is cellulose and absorbent is bulletproof almost instantly.

 

All that said, I'm not sure the performance we see is much different from other premium smooth papers. Comments from others who know would be great.

[penhand]

Don't know about HOD, but with Henry Hudson Blue (Noodler's bulletproof) the ink is virtually impervious to water as soon as it is dry on the paper, same with a blend of Violet Vote and Legal Lapis. The tiniest bit of dye did come loose while scrubbing it dry, but that happened on an index card as well. This leads me to think that HOD may be more of a near bulletproof ink than in the same class of Noodler's black or the other true bulletproofs.

 

Dan

 

I did a weeklong smudge and water dop test with noodlers heart of darkness. It took a few days before the water drop test didn't pull up ink and almost a week until water drops then smear didn't yield ink.

 

Note heart of darkness on something that is cellulose and absorbent is bulletproof almost instantly.

 

All that said, I'm not sure the performance we see is much different from other premium smooth papers. Comments from others who know would be great.

Dan, thanks for the heads up. I'll do another test with Noodlers bulletproof black and report back.

[raging.dragon]

What nibs are being used for these smearing tests? Nib width and wetness could make a huge difference (since the smearing is probably a result of the nib laying down more ink than the paper can absorb).

[penhand]

What nibs are being used for these smearing tests? Nib width and wetness could make a huge difference (since the smearing is probably a result of the nib laying down more ink than the paper can absorb).

I'm using a TWSBI Diamond 530 with EF nib, so not much ink is hitting the paper.

 

I have already done a quick test with Noodlers Bulletproof Black and it is behaving much better. After writing 15 lines on the page, the first line can barely be smudged dry after writing the last line (say within 1-2 minutes). I then dropped water on the fresh writing and no ink was visible in the drops. The ink did "smear off" as I scrubbed the water drops, but it was definitely still readable on the paper.

 

This is certainly better than Heart of Darkness where ink seeped into water drops on the paper for hours (at least) if not days.

 

Note that I used a non bulletproof ink on the paper (Noodlers Le Coleur Royale) and I LOVE how it looks on the paper but I got some water on it many days later and saw an inky mess.

 

Bottom line, Bulletproof Black is pretty bulletproof, even on this paper. I guess I should have gotten that from the name. Oh, and non bulletproof inks (like Le Coleur Royale) aren't. Something I'll need to keep in mind when using paper like this that doesn't suck up ink and feather like newspaper.

[Ghost Plane]

I wrote some seriously long letters using DeAtramentis Mint Turquoise in a 3B, Iroshizuku Ku Jaku in a BB and Noodler's Red-Black in an OBB. With nibs that size, it's easier to finish a page, start the letter on the next page and write all one side for about 3-4 pages, numbering pages as I go, then flip the stack and start over. The paper rippled from the sheer amount of fluid hitting it, but not much was visible on the other side once reasonably dry and the writing on the backside was readable over the faint show thru.

 

Next time I'll have to pick some pages that aren't too personal in content and whip out the cell phone camera.

[DavidHandmade]

Hello, everyone. This thread has been great to read & it's a pleasure to see the generosity and partnership amongst everyone here.

 

I realize I'm a bit "late" to this thread, but I'd appreciate it if anyone could part with 100 or 200 sheets for purchase - please PM me, or reply here; shipping would be to CT in the USA.

 

I have three Design-Y notebooks, and I'd enjoy the opportunity to correspond with that wonderful paper.

 

Thank you - !

 

Regards, David K.

[penhand]

So I just ran a half dozen sheets of paper through my printer, an HP P2015d Laser Printer. It picked up the sheets just fine from the manual feed tray and ran them through perfectly. Note that I did change the setting in the driver on my Mac to "Lightweight paper" (which I think applies less heat at the fuser) and I used US Legal size (since this is A4 Novi which is almost 8.5 wide and is 12.25 long).

 

I wish I hadn't have done that... now I want to make all kinds of "custom" lined / dotted papers, calendars, etc. with it. It folds so thin, I can think of lots of possibilities.

 

Oh, and I recently made a new pad for an old leather daytimer case I had. Over 100 sheets in a space that previously held 50.

[Lloyd]

So I just ran a half dozen sheets of paper through my printer, an HP P2015d Laser Printer. It picked up the sheets just fine from the manual feed tray and ran them through perfectly. Note that I did change the setting in the driver on my Mac to "Lightweight paper" (which I think applies less heat at the fuser) and I used US Legal size (since this is A4 Novi which is almost 8.5 wide and is 12.25 long).

 

I wish I hadn't have done that... now I want to make all kinds of "custom" lined / dotted papers, calendars, etc. with it. It folds so thin, I can think of lots of possibilities.

 

Oh, and I recently made a new pad for an old leather daytimer case I had. Over 100 sheets in a space that previously held 50.

 

Any thought of selling the loose lined papers and/or the padded lined papers?

[penhand]

So I just ran a half dozen sheets of paper through my printer, an HP P2015d Laser Printer. It picked up the sheets just fine from the manual feed tray and ran them through perfectly. Note that I did change the setting in the driver on my Mac to "Lightweight paper" (which I think applies less heat at the fuser) and I used US Legal size (since this is A4 Novi which is almost 8.5 wide and is 12.25 long).

 

I wish I hadn't have done that... now I want to make all kinds of "custom" lined / dotted papers, calendars, etc. with it. It folds so thin, I can think of lots of possibilities.

 

Oh, and I recently made a new pad for an old leather daytimer case I had. Over 100 sheets in a space that previously held 50.

 

Any thought of selling the loose lined papers and/or the padded lined papers?

If I get the quality of either up to FPN standards, I'll probably see if anyone is interested.

[Chris Chalmers]

I have just received a letter written by Ghost Plane using some of this wonderful paper, and now can't wait for mr ream to arrive!! What amazing stuff!! We should all buy up the total stock in Japan, just in case!

Thanks again paperhand and GP!

Edited August 30, 2012 by Chris Chalmers

[marcomillions]

So I just ran a half dozen sheets of paper through my printer <snip>. I wish I hadn't have done that... now I want to make all kinds of "custom" lined / dotted papers, calendars, etc. with it. <snip>

 

I know just what you mean, p.h. As soon as I saw my HP inkjet could pick the sheets up individually, I immediately ran the half-A4-sheet templates I've downloaded from free sites, turning out some beautiful note-taking sheets. But the best use I've made of the printer is for effectively A5 personal stationery, with my own design for letterhead centered on this elegant paper.

 

Have fun.

 

Marc

[English John]

I would love to see some of the formats people have used from the free sites.

I have one which I use for work A4 copier paper (Free Square Dots Graph paper from incomptech), but I am reluctant to use my precious stock testing out possible formats !!

 

If there are any pictures of successful formats out there from you early adopters - please share

 

Many Thanks

 

John

[Ghost Plane]

I have just received a letter written by Ghost Plane using some of this wonderful paper, and now can't wait for mr ream to arrive!! What amazing stuff!! We should all buy up the total stock in Japan, just in case!

Thanks again paperhand and GP!

Nothing like paying the enabling forward. :roflmho:

[dcpritch]

I have just received a letter written by Ghost Plane using some of this wonderful paper, and now can't wait for mr ream to arrive!! ... Thanks again paperhand and GP!

Nothing like paying the enabling forward.

 

That's what we do here, right? It's one big community of enthusiasts helping enabling each other, with great success.