Advice On Hp Paper

[Bo Bo Olson]

Some times living in Germany means you have to put out a bit more effort to get US products.

 

I was over at my computer shop, and ended up getting some paper. I thought why run around town sticking my nose into this and that shop looking for HP paper, when his wholesaler would have the papers I need.

No, I don't like paying postage fees, or having the postage fees hidden in the price of things.

 

I need advice for the good HP laser printer papers: 32/ 120gs/m pounds, 28/105, and 24 pounds or 90gs/m.

 

I have read the 32 is a bit stiff.

I'd like advice if I should buy the 32 pound stuff first or second.

 

Then there is the problem which of the two Laser printer papers of 32 pounds are better.

Among the 32/ 120 gs/m pound paper is HP Premium Presentation Paper 120g, Glossy ((Is this HP 32# Presentation Bond I've seen referenced one place. It does not say bond paper any where in the HP com paper adds.)) and HP Premium Choice Laser Paper.

What is the differences? Which is better for fountain pens.

 

I've read many like the HP Color Laser Paper 28/105 Gs/m pound paper better than the 32.

If you have both, what is your view?

 

HP LaserJet Paper 24 is 90 gs/m?

 

 

How does this new HP Colorloc technology affect fountain pen use?

Edited November 3, 2011 by Bo Bo Olson

[The Good Captain]

I use HP 'Home & Office' paper most of the time, in the inkjet printer, and have found it pretty good for fountain pen use. It's 80gsm or 22lb. I've got some HP 'Bright White' inkjet paper which is 90gsm/24lb but I've not used it yet. The 90gsm we use at work seems fine with pens too but it's a make I'm not familiar with but was probably cheap for obvious reasons.

[Ad_Astra]

32/ 120gs/m pounds, 28/105, and 24 pounds or 90gs/m.

 

I have read the 32 is a bit stiff.

I'd like advice if I should buy the 32 pound stuff first or second.

 

Then there is the problem which of the two Laser printer papers of 32 pounds are better.

Among the 32/ 120 gs/m pound paper is HP Premium Presentation Paper 120g, Glossy ((Is this HP 32# Presentation Bond I've seen referenced one place. It does not say bond paper any where in the HP com paper adds.)) and HP Premium Choice Laser Paper.

What is the differences? Which is better for fountain pens.

 

I've read many like the HP Color Laser Paper 28/105 Gs/m pound paper better than the 32.

If you have both, what is your view?

 

I've tried the 24, 28 and 32, and actually have some of the 32 still around somewhere. I wasn't a huge fan, tbh. Perhaps it's because I'm a student and much of my writing doesn't need the formal 'weighty' nature of the heavier paper, or because I'm just not as used to writing on it, but it never really took my breath away.

 

I'd suggest starting with either 28 or 32; depending on how willing you are to make a second purchase and, of course, depending on your preference for papers given differing weights.

 

Of all the 32 lb papers out there, I've only tried the "HP Premium Choice Laser Paper", but it's reasonably good. My qualms with it are entirely personal preference and not the quality of the paper or anything like that.

 

I tried the 28 once; it's nice, but I just didn't see that much of a difference from the 24 and if I ever need to write something formal, I just use the 32 anyways. I'm glad it exists as a middle ground, but I didn't find a use for it and didn't purchase another ream.

 

Hth!

[Bo Bo Olson]

I keep reading that ink jet paper is not as good for fountain pens as laser paper.

 

I've given up on 80 gram paper...for fountain pens; on the whole. I still got some antique....well, I've had a bit of it for 30-35 years. Zander's Bank Post and Gohrsmuehle Bank Post...both made by the same company,(got to check if the papers are still the same after half a life time) and some Easton's corrasable 25 % cotton typewriter paper (Bond-Birkshire). Wow...16 pound but it defiantly feels 'much heavier'.

 

I had a Juki daisy-wheel printer then a laser, I never had a 'dot' printer nor ink jet (not needing colored pictures), but those papers were just too good to feed to a computer printer even one that was as good as a typewriter.

I just scribbled on that Eastons and that is some real nice paper for so light.

A lot of show through...but back then one typed only on one side. Real nice paper to shade on. Extremely nice.

 

It is a paper that tells you certain nibs are more toothy than you'd noticed before, but one can live with it, for the shading.

 

When I go to the states in January, I'll have to see if I can get some of that, or Easton's 25 % 16 pound or a bit heavier.

[Ad_Astra]

Laser paper is preferable, but there's an aspect of inkjet paper that can be situationally useful: it's more absorbent (at least IME), so if you have a serious issue with feathering/bleeding/smearing/super-slow drying, it may be beneficial to try it out.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Laser paper is preferable, but there's an aspect of inkjet paper that can be situationally useful: it's more absorbent (at least IME), so if you have a serious issue with feathering/bleeding/smearing/super-slow drying, it may be beneficial to try it out.

So much for making problems smaller.

 

It's good to get problem solutions for those kind of ink pen combo's.

[Tumbleweedtoo]

Some of the Hp papers are coated, as I recall, and this can be a problem for some fountain pens and some inks. I think it may be their Premium Choice Laser paper, which I had trouble with using a certain pen that will remain nameless. YMMV.

 

All the best,

T

[torstar]

The higher the poundage, the slicker it gets, longer to dry, may not absorb into the paper at 32 pounds.

 

24 or 28 works best with most of my arsenal.

 

As always, your mileage will vary.

[Bo Bo Olson]

I might have that pen....well if it's new, let it remain nameless.

I like old used pens....some are cheap, costing only 5 times what they did new. :embarrassed_smile:

[Rita_K]

I have only had experience with the 32 lb Premium Choice Laser paper. It's a very smooth surface but I have not had a problem with any pen/ink combination that I have tried. I find that the drying time doesn't seem to be any longer than the Rhodia or Clairefontaine papers. It really is a heavy paper and find that if I mail any more than three sheets it requires extra postage.

[RGH]

I've been trying out a number of papers recently too.

 

Unfortunately I don't have any advice that is specifically useful. However some of my observations may be pertinent.

 

The HP 32# PREMIUM LASER is indeed fairly thick. It is VERY smooth however. (Note the Premium in the title - there are other HP laser papers!)

 

Not all 32# (or 28#) papers are identical.

 

I have other HP 32# paper (not the premium stuff) that has a surface more like most 20# papers. It is thick, but the surface is not as smooth. It also feathers a little bit more. As far as I can see in my local store HP only makes the "premium laser" paper in 32#. But maybe your wholesaler can get lower weight premium stuff.

 

 

I have tried 24# (not HP) paper that is THICKER (or at least feels that way) than the HP Premium 32#. This is obviously because it is less dense. It was also not as smooth and absorbed more (as mentioned above). For me, when it is absorbent it may help with the drying issue, but it definitely feathers more.

 

So obviously pressing, and maybe sizing is an issue. I also suspect that other ingredients are also important. I know that as well as fibre, most white paper also include starch and kaolin (AKA china clay), sometimes even a little TiO2. I'm willing to bet the exact proportions of these constituents makes a huge impact on its fountain pen friendliness. My guess is that more Kaolin makes for a more FP friendly paper than starch, but that is purely a guess.

 

So all in all (sorry to be unhelpful), just looking at weight, even for HP is unlikely to be the sole solution. Maybe his wholesaler would be willing to send you a few sheets, if you narrow it down to a couple of selections?

 

ETA : What I'm calling feathering, others might call "line bloat".

Edited November 3, 2011 by RGH

[LuckyDog10]

My vote goes to the 24 lb. LaserJet paper. It is my favorite for my loose-leaf ink journal, and I plan on using it to custom-print some filler paper for winter term. (The brightness is listed as "92," definitely crisper than the cheapo copy paper supplied by my office.) It definitely does its part to show off my inks, even when a particular pen refuses to cooperate.

[imwithtractor]

Hi Bo Bo Olsen,

 

I just got some HP Laser Premium 32lb I really like it but I haven't tried the others as comparison.

 

I can send you a few sheets if you like Send me a PM if you want to try

[Opus104]

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My vote goes to the 24 lb. LaserJet paper. It is my favorite for my loose-leaf ink journal, and I plan on using it to custom-print some filler paper for winter term. (The brightness is listed as "92," definitely crisper than the cheapo copy paper supplied by my office.) It definitely does its part to show off my inks, even when a particular pen refuses to cooperate.

 

+1

 

[fourseamer]

HP 32 lb. paper is a dream to write on, but it is very heavy. Also, if you like using a guide sheet beneath your paper, you will probably have a hard time seeing it through the dense 32 lb. stuff. I've resorted to printing very faint grey lines using my laser printer. I haven't tried 24 or 28 lb. paper from HP, but I'd like to. Probably worth trying them all to determine what works best for you. And for what it's worth, I'm referring to HP Premium Choice Laser paper.

[Bo Bo Olson]

Thanks for the clarification on the 32 pound Premium Choice paper.

 

I finally graduated from nib and pen, and having 30 inks, can start getting, good, better and best papers.

 

I want to get some 15 or so real good papers, and say 5 of the better/best.

Those of course in small lots, very small lots.

 

I talked my self into buying 10 sheets of $0.75 a sheet 100 g deckle/deckel paper from Zerkall- buetten/hammered/verge at my B&M.

It is not perfect. It feathers some (minor) and a real wet nib will cause some bleeding, but it is so sinfully good to write on, I don't care.

 

I do have on my Christmas list 120g-150g-or more from that company.

 

I have also found that some of the heavy papers, 150-170 grams are real nice.Real crisp lines, great shading...and ok you get a one sheet letter.

 

 

Those kind of papers are for Fun Alone At Home, like a snifter every once in a while of a 20 year old single malt.

Some times one needs a paper for one's self.

[Shawn Ghost]

HP 32 lb. paper is a dream to write on, but it is very heavy. Also, if you like using a guide sheet beneath your paper, you will probably have a hard time seeing it through the dense 32 lb. stuff. I've resorted to printing very faint grey lines using my laser printer. I haven't tried 24 or 28 lb. paper from HP, but I'd like to. Probably worth trying them all to determine what works best for you. And for what it's worth, I'm referring to HP Premium Choice Laser paper.

 

I'm with you on this one, I LOVE writing on my 32lb paper but the guide sheet I use just doesn't work. Perhaps when I've been writing a while(Just finished the Write Now book by Getty) I'll be able to do without the guide but till then, I may give the 24lb stuff a shot. I made my Traveler's Notebook Chronodex calendar on the 32lb and It's beautiful, bit hard to fold in half with more than a few sheets but I knew that going into this.

[acqua206]

I'm not sure if this is the paper everyone else is talking about but I bought HP Premium Choice Laser Paper, 32lb, 500 sheets of it..

 

Oh, before I go on, I would like to state that it is hard to perform a search for HP Paper when the search function does not allow <3 letter searches. HP being a popular paper, this is unfortunate.

 

Anyways, I have to say I'm not too fond of it. It's like writing on a magazine or glass which I find very unpleasant. Perhaps there are two camps, one pro texture, one pro smooth.

 

It's thick nature makes it so that even if it is bended a little bit, it will stay bended and you end up with paper that doesn't lay flat on the desk when you write. I simply had to know how good 32 lb paper so at least that itch is scratched.

 

Every buy is such a commitment in the fountain pen world. If you buy paper or ink that doesn't suite your fancy, well, you will have quite a lot of it to work through.

[lapis]

I stay away from HP paper. I do like the company as such and I do in fact stick 100% to their printers.

 

But their papers are too uneven (meant figuratively). Here, they have IMO way too many different types... bright, inkjet, laser, glossy, photo, premium... Even worse, 70, 80, 90 +, ++, I see no real clear-cut divisions here. And as just said above; if you do check out their site; there's no real information on who's who. I also think they change their offers every year or two.

 

Rhodia is Rhodia, CF is CF, Leuchtturm is Leuchtturm and all that... either you like it or you don't.

 

But HP's array and/or quality of paper are IMO too uncertain, too dubious.

Edited December 26, 2012 by lapis

[whych]

I agree with that. They have changed and don't even put the weight on their Home/Office and Everyday paper any more.

One batch will be FP friendly, while the next may not. It's hit and miss.

I wanted a ream of 70-75 gsm paper for printing Filofax refills and the one HP batch was fine while the next wasn't (don't want to have to carry around too much weight in the Filofax and thicker pages make it too full).

 

Staple 90 gsm inkjet paper is fine if you want a thicker paper.

Most of the 120 and higher paper is meant for printing photos.

 

The best I had was from one of the one Pound stores that was doing 200 sheets of 70 gsm which were not only light but great for fountain pens.

 

The best way to do it is to go into one of the bigger stores and ask for a sheet or 2 of each to try.