What's The Most Permanent Ink?

[broker]

What's the most permanent/bulletproof ink?

[dizzypen]

Most permanent ink what way?

 

If you want most all around permanent then it will probably be one of the Noodler's Warden Series inks because they resist "lasers" and other inks do not. However, they aren't as waterproof as some others because they are meant to expose attempts at forgery.

[RobbW]

The Noodler's bulletproof inks should be equally permanent. Unlike Warden inks, they have no component that washes out. As an added bonus, many of them wash off skin much easier than conventional inks.

 

Heart of darkness

Violet vote

Legal lapis

Aquamarine

Kung te cheng

 

To name just a few.

[dizzypen]

Ahh yes, but what about the LASERS?!?! Apparently a laser will destroy the bulletproof inks. Surely that takes away from their most permanent status.

[broker]

Most permanent ink what way?

 

...they aren't as waterproof as some others because they are meant to expose attempts at forgery.

 

That's my main concern, forgery, should I understand that this 'Warden', when exposed to water, will loose some property, maybe change color (or fade) but no matter how long exposed (reasonable) it will keep good integrity?

[Yoda4561]

For fountain pen safe inks, it's a tossup between the carbon based Platinum and Sailor black inks, and a couple of the noodler's bulletproofs. Short term the Bulletproof inks are better, Noodler's Black and Noodler's Legal Lapis being two of the best at resisting whatever is thrown at them. Long term, as in decades or centuries, there isn't any data on the bulletproof inks, so no way to know for sure. Carbon inks have stood the test of time(hundreds of years, thousands in some cases), although I've heard if the right solvent is applied you can remove it from the paper fibers, so it may not be as resistant to chemical attack as a Bulletproof ink is.

[Yoda4561]

Most permanent ink what way?

 

...they aren't as waterproof as some others because they are meant to expose attempts at forgery.

 

That's my main concern, forgery, should I understand that this 'Warden', when exposed to water, will loose some property, maybe change color (or fade) but no matter how long exposed (reasonable) it will keep good integrity?

 

 

If that's the case, then yes a Warden ink will work fine for you. They all have slightly different behaviors. None of them can be removed with alcohol, acetone, or similar solvents like some ballpoint inks. Strong caustics such as bleach or 409 house cleaner have various effects, but they all leave a sign that the writing was messed with, not to mention setting off a good check's security features.

 

Blue heron is weak against strong caustics, but has around 10% true bulletproof ink in it so it will never dissapear completely. It's also around 99% waterproof regardless of time. Any chemical that removes it should set off a check's security features.

 

Kingfisher is weak against water to the point where a light splash might make it illegible, but will always leave a grey permanent and legible remainder if the blue ink is fully removed.

 

Bad green gator IMO is one of the stronger warden inks, in regards to tamper evidence. It does feather and bleed, but once it's on the paper it's on the paper. A strong caustic will cause it to "halo" and bleed green. It's still readable, but very obviously screwed around with. It's also around 99-100% waterproof once dried, if it was slightly better behaved on the papers I used I would consider it a good general purpose ink. For the purpose of checkwriting I think it's as good as you'll find.

 

Black Moccasin is sort of like a laser resistant version of Heart of Darkness, great general purpose ink too if you just want to keep one black ink around. This one is also 99% waterproof and a strong caustic will cause it to bleed or spread a bit. Out of a very dry pen, or if the ink is diluted it acts like a regular true "bulletproof" and doesn't budge at all.

Edited August 18, 2011 by Yoda4561

[wallylynn]

That's my main concern, forgery,

I can forge your signature with any ol' pen.

[Joshua J.]

If my thinking is correct it would be more worthwhile to change the dollar value or recipient name.

[ExcaliburZ]

What about the Eternal Inks?

[Hohn]

My understanding is that the Eternal inks are designed to resist deterioration by naturally occurring factors like humidity, UV, etc.

 

The BP/Warden's inks are designed to resist means of artificially accelerating that deterioration for illicit purposes.

[stuartk]

Ahh yes, but what about the LASERS?!?! Apparently a laser will destroy the bulletproof inks. Surely that takes away from their most permanent status.

 

I wouldn't call that property of inks "permanent," I'd call that "indelible. "

 

A carbon-based India ink may very well be the most permanent. A Warden series ink may be the most indelible.

[79spitfire]

What's the most permanent ink?

 

The one you just got on your new shirt, 10min before you were going out..

[Silent Speaker]

My understanding is that the Eternal inks are designed to resist deterioration by naturally occurring factors like humidity, UV, etc.

 

The BP/Warden's inks are designed to resist means of artificially accelerating that deterioration for illicit purposes.

This is the understanding of the matter that I've gleaned over my time spent here and using said inks.

 

What I wonder then, is that say one were to write something, and wish merely for it to withstand the passage and ravages of time (without any outside meddling for the design of accelerating deterioration), would a bulletproof ink be just as good for such a purpose as an eternal ink?

 

 

If one's main concern is permanence over time without the threat of forgery; attempted erasure; or any other such tampering, with only the dangers you've listed such as humidity or prolonged UV light exposure etc., etc., is an eternal ink really so much better for this purpose than the bulletproofs? (or, is the difference so slight that it's a moot point?)

Edited August 18, 2011 by Silent Speaker

[Hohn]

There is necessarily some overlap between the two families of inks, since many "illicit" measures are only different than natural deterioration factors in degree and not kind. For example, a waterproof ink is by definition resistant to humidity. But not necessarily is a waterproof ink resistant to UV light. Laser Resistance make obviate UV resistance, or maybe it doesn't.

 

Two separate spectra, with some overlap, imo.

[Sandy1]

Ahh yes, but what about the LASERS?!?! Apparently a laser will destroy the bulletproof inks. Surely that takes away from their most permanent status.

And what about The Zombie Apocalypse??

Can any ink survive that?

[dizzypen]

Ahh yes, but what about the LASERS?!?! Apparently a laser will destroy the bulletproof inks. Surely that takes away from their most permanent status.

And what about The Zombie Apocalypse??

Can any ink survive that?

 

I hear Nathan is working on it...

[stevlight]

And what about The Zombie Apocalypse??

 

Or when the monkeys take over................or the aliens...............or the vampires..............or the robots, oh I think that goes back to lasers! or is it the aliens that have the lasers--it is really hard to prepare for the apocalypse this way.

Edited August 18, 2011 by stevlight

[Possum Hill]

Ahh yes, but what about the LASERS?!?! Apparently a laser will destroy the bulletproof inks. Surely that takes away from their most permanent status.

And what about The Zombie Apocalypse??

Can any ink survive that?

Another niche for a new line of Noodler's inks. What color are BRAINS! ?

[Juan in Andalucia]

What's the most permanent/bulletproof ink?

 

Sumi-é ink, but I wouldn't use it in a fountain pen.

 

Juan