Quikscript/shavian

[USMCMom]

I don't how to begin learning and I'm also wondering if it's really possible to teach an old dog new tricks. LOL

 

Languages are terribly difficult for me - but where I've had luck is simply digging in and doing it. As a former Devil Dog in his mid 40's who has learned a few new tricks over the years, it is possible - you just have to beat him a bit more frequently and fervently.

 

And therein lies the rub - no-one left to beat this old dog into compliance so the long hard work of learning a new way (and arguably a better way) to write in English is unlikely to get done.

 

Journalling with the character map at hand seems a likely way to start. It's not a new language so much as a new alphabet which SHOULD make it somewhat easier. The notion of moving from spelling rules to phonetic spelling is the hard thing for me to wrap my head around.

 

Semper Fi ... Parris Island or So. CA??

 

Well, I can't get passed much of the manual and since I have no one cracking any whip around here, I'm going to have to agree ... teaching this old dog a new trick like THIS one, is very doubtful. LOL

[arkgray]

This looks like fun. I might try to figure his out before my classes start again in September. Another reason to use my pens.

[myyrkezaan]

The writing is much easier to learn than the reading. After learning a few of the symbols, I started writing what I knew above any writing I was doing, then just started adding new symbols. My practice paper is french ruled and I would start by writing the symbols I knew followed by new symbols.

 

Still in the Junior mode, want to be better at it before I start with the abbreviations and Senior mode.

[pmsalty]

sorry I just don't get it.

PMS

[Struthious]

Wow -- thank you for sharing this -- I'm going to try it too!

[twduffy58]

If you had asked me a few months ago whether I could learn something like this I would have quickly and fervently replied NO, but as I have been using my grey and white matter a bit more often and for longer terms, I think that exercising my brain trying to learn this will be a good thing. I will however have to add that my stick to it-iveness needs a boost. I seem to be a charter member of the procrastinator's club many days.

[Hex]

I don't how to begin learning and I'm also wondering if it's really possible to teach an old dog new tricks. LOL

 

I'm with you USMCMom, fascinating stuff, though it makes my head hurt. I would love to be able to write in it but dread the learning curve.

 

A thought just rumbled up from the deep caverns.

How about a pen pal club for practicing this ?

I am still debating whether to start it or not and that might be a stronger incentive.

Edited October 23, 2011 by Hex

[Grammatoncleric]

Hi All,

 

Firstly to say hello as I have just joined and been looking for a QS group of and on for quite awhile, so.....

 

Thanks to all who've contributed, I loved reading all you comments, thoughts and opinions about QS.

 

I've seen it sometime ago and was fascinated and thought well simply it was cool. Since I am and have been and avid journaler in one way shape or form for about 15-20years though the motivation and intensity varies the 'want' is always there.

 

Also for me the fact that I like to write feels good and this is great in the sense it provides a mechanism you can tell I'm an engineer hehe, that you can get your notes down quickly as they come to mind, well almost but if you combine this with a Note Taking (or rather Note Making) technique like the Cornell method for one example, imagine the possibilities?

 

I have spent a reasonable amount of my time in meetings and it is always thing with me wanting to be able to capture pertinent points that come up and not get missed, Besides the obvious of being able to expand the grey matter and be able to do something unique which I suspect not many others could do.

 

My personal goal here is to be able to write, at least to the Junior Script level, in six months. Though I'll be interested to see once six months have come will I still be perfecting / working on it or will I be looking towards Senior or Senior with abbreviations.

 

The one thing about the topic is that the last post was last year so I hope that it has not become a dead forum, please tell me there are others out there witth an interst in QS?.

 

I, for one, would really like to learn and chat with others, especially those who have successfully implement QS into their lives and know what worked and what didn't.

 

So for anyone out there still interested in discussing QS scipt and sharing some idead, I would be most grateful.

 

I've already bought a junior grade exercise book with three rows to a line and nicely space being just a whisker under 1/4" (6.35mm if you prefer) and have the QS PDF file on my iPad for reference so plan to toil away at it regularly each day.

 

Hopefully I'll be in a position to post up some work for comment and see what happens

 

Well I hope that there are others still out there interesting in learning or still practising QS and still looking at this forum.

 

Take care and talk to more of you soon.

[myyrkezaan]

This has info and resources

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Read_Alphabet/

[Grammatoncleric]

Hi myyrkezaan,

 

Thanks for taking the time to reply, I appreciate knowing that there are folk out there still watching this forum.

I should have also mentioned that i have found that website group plus other sites online that are about QS/Shavian.

 

Yahoo Groups - Shavian

 

Omniglot - Quickscript

 

Wikipedia - Quickscript

 

Quickscript Outpost

 

Ewout Stam's website

 

Though since there is little more information on line than this and what else can be found in nothing new but just repetiion and re-linked back to the above sadly.

 

In addition there is also a pc language / code called naturally so you have to fiter that out also otherwise you get additional junk.

 

I have one additional challenge and that is I don't have a pc with me and use an iPad which for most things is great but I cannot download the font for QS so I don't get to see it in some pages etc but no major problem as yet..... hope to get a laptop and fix this in the future...

 

Thanks once again and if you have any other thoughts you care to share with a novice QS'r I'd be grateful

Edited June 16, 2012 by Grammatoncleric

[rapid_butterfly]

Thank you for this thread. I'm intrigued and love the idea of being able to take notes in close proximity to others while retaining privacy as to thoughts, impressions, reactions, etc. I'd never have heard of QS without this thread.

[Gloucesterman]

It's not that I did not know about things like shorthand (Gregg and Pitman), but it literally never occurred to me that there were other ways of writing the English language.

 

At this point (no pun intended) I am just going to learn more about. The future may hold some more investigations and even a bit of playing around with it.

 

Thanks for all the comments and insights.

 

P.S. For anyone and all who think it is too late to learn something new like this, check out a book called, "The Brain That Changes Itself" by Dr. Norman(?) Doidge. Based on the content there and my own beliefs, our brains are totally underutilized. The old limits we were told about were not really limits. Just self imposed patterns of beliefs.

 

I think there is a quote (from Bob Dylan?) that goes something like, "If you ain't busy growin', you're busy dyin'".

[pencils+pens]

In high school it was highly recommended to the college bound students that they take a 1/2 semester course in Personal Typing and another 1/2 semester in Speedwriting. The link does not go into the full details of the system. I used Speedwriting throughout college but ceased to use it when I no longer needed it in business. It seems to have the same goal as the topic of the thread but may be easier to learn. You will need to google to find more info.

[Grammatoncleric]

Some reflection after practising for a few hours off and on today (and half an hour last night).....

 

Looking back over the day some points come to mind

 

1. Cultural spelling differences will make for a little confusion in the early stages of learning QS, though it should not make for a significant difference.

 

2. Old habit will take some time to 'switch off' after a good number of centuries you find yourself at first reverting back automatically, thinking grammatically instead of phonetically.

 

 

The trick is getting use to the phonetic methodology of writing..... but anything worthwhile takes a little time, some baby steps first then you can sprint

 

Like with any language learning (verbal or written system)- consistent use, practise are key, ideally several times a day, morning and night would be a good start I expect.

 

Since I am using an iPad only (no pc) I have limited access to examples online which I use as one technique to imprint the phonetic system by way of repitition.

Currrently working with the example on the Omniglot (Junior QS) homepage for a start though I woudl like something bigger.

 

If anyone would care to offer some suggestions as to what method they used, I would be interested to hear about it.

 

I wonder perhaps if anyone might care to post a partial image of or a link to a book, something I can use for practise, something that has the QS with the translation below would be most useful.

 

In addition to this I try developing my feel for writing phonetically as suggested in the original manual but taking two consanants (since these are relatively easier) and five vowels and constructing my own words and plan to expand from there,,,,,,

 

One comment I noted somewhere with which I concur is that it is easier to write at first than read....

 

Any thoughts I'd care to hear and discuss...

 

Many thanks in advance for any who can assist furthering this new learner

[myyrkezaan]

The Yahoo Group has pdf transalations and line rules.

 

What helped me most was taking notes at work, using the symbols that I knew and adding as I learned more.

 

I commented on the easier to write than read, I was taking notes at work using a combination of QS and English. But then trying to read the notes later was a struggle, mostly for all QS sentences .

[Angry__Panda]

This is kind of interesting...What would you say is the best resource for learning this? I see the alphabet and everything and I guess it would be nice to know where to start. This seems like something that might be useful especially when I am writing short notes a LOT at work.

[Grammatoncleric]

An idea occurred to me which I thought would be another opportunity to increase my efficiency learning QS.

From my learning of other spoken languages I found flashcard to be a rather good tool.

So with in mind I went off and created, perhaps the first, set of flash cards for QS.

While I am sure these are far from perfect they do help quite abit and found my recall has improved markedly.

To the extent where I can recall 30 symbols out of 40 from memory in less than a week.

I try daily to use QS in any way I can, regularity is the key to success, is it not?

Just a little something I would share with the QS community

See attached pic which shows half the cards with every second card turned over to show the reverse.

I think like many the reading is the part which takes time but I can feel it will not take long.

I think reading will come within a month of regular practice though accuracy and speed naturally will take time.