What Is A 'parker 45 Flighter Ii'?

[ceejaybee]

I spotted these nib units on ebay and was curious as to how they could possibly fit both the P15 AND a P45 as the barrel/section threading is different for each model? Then I spotted the 'II' on the packaging, were there 2 versions of the P45 Flighter? For a while I have pondered over a Parker model that I thought seemed to fit into both the P15 and P35 lines. One recently came up for identification on FPN here I've also seen the same type of pen with the P45 clip and similar clipscrew but with a chrome collared section as on the P35. Is this a 'Parker 45 Flighter II'?

 

I'm a bit baffled :hmm1: Anyone any thoughts?

Edited March 3, 2011 by ceejaybee

[baz666]

Hi ceejaybee

 

This is what was known as a Parker 45 flighter II in the U.S.A around 1980

 

http://freespace.virgin.net/paul.barrell/pics/Parker45II.JPG

 

Looks strangely familiar, doesn't it

 

Regards

Paul.

 

p.s. will email soon.

[Ernst Bitterman]

Good heavens. That's the sort of thing that Waterman and Sheaffer got up to in the 1940s. I'd thought Parker was a more sensible company (although I'm now going to rush home and see if I can get the sections off my 15s into the bodies of my 45s).

 

edit-- Nope, although the discussion that follows would have suggested that outcome anyway.

Edited March 5, 2011 by Ernst Bitterman

[ceejaybee]

Thanks for the info Paul, I didn't have a clue that it even existed and certainly didn't expect to see Parker literature on it! Nice one!!

[twopens]

The Parker 45 Flighter II has a shorter barrel and cap than a Parker 45. It's basically a dressed-up 15 with a 45-shaped cap and 45 GP clip/tassie. Here's a Parker 15 & 45 Flighter II nib unit dated 6-80, so the 15 appears to be earlier than Tony Fischier's 1983 intro date.

 

Edited March 4, 2011 by twopens

[ceejaybee]

OK - here's my next query :blink: Are P15/45 II and Jotter sections interchangeable?? or does anyone know if the P45 Flighter II and P35 sections will interchange?? These supposedly different models seem very closely related in many ways :hmm1:

[Dutchpen]

i have a parker 15, a 45 and a 45 flighter II.

 

in fact the only difference between the 15 and 45 flighter II is the cap.

The barrel and nib section are interchangable and seem identical to me.

 

i don't know about the parker 35

 

 

 

Lennard

[twopens]

OK - here's my next query :blink: Are P15/45 II and Jotter sections interchangeable?? or does anyone know if the P45 Flighter II and P35 sections will interchange?? These supposedly different models seem very closely related in many ways :hmm1:

 

Interchange highly likely, just don't have a Jotter FP handy. (It fits a Parker Systemark pen, but won't cap.)

 

The P15/45 II nib unit pictured above is US-made (well, at least the card was printed in the US). Does anyone have a US-made P45 Flighter II or P15? My P45 II (no date code) is French, as is the burgundy-barrel example below dated QI (1980). The other is an undated French Mixy (predesessor of the 15?). Both plastic barrel pens have a loose metal washer between the section and barrel, not present on the above nib unit. The Flighter II lacks a separate washer, but you can feel one with your finger at the barrel mouth that is the end of the thread insert.

 

Edited March 4, 2011 by twopens

[Ernst Bitterman]

I recently got a French object with an all steel body otherwise similar to the black pen above, and I was stumped by the 1981 date code. Interestingly, there is not a trim ring of any sort between the barrel and joint, an item which I've found is surprisingly important for keeping the cap on in models it appears on-- without it, there's no click and the cap just drops right off.

[Koshy]

I have the same steel body Parker 45 Flighter II made in France, but without a date code.I was gifted this pen by a friend in 1985. If I am not mistaken he picked it up from Singapore.

[WendyNC]

I don't have a clue as to whether these would interchange with the 35, but I wouldn't bet on it. In fact, not all 35 sections are interchangeable. The (presumably) early version with the plastic threads and Chinese characters in the laque is different from the metal-threaded ones.

[ceejaybee]

Thanks for all the input folks, yesterday I took delivery of a late (1986) Parker 35 with an all plastic section, so I've been able to swap and change parts to see just what is compatible between the P15, P45 flighter II and the P35.

 

I get the impression, probably incorrectly, that the P45 II may have been produced only as a Flighter? I'm assuming the stainless cap/smooth plastic barrelled version was a P15? but I'm not sure what the point of that was? why not just call it a 'P15 Flighter'??

 

I've also seen identical pens but with a striated plastic barrel and am undecided whether these fall into the P15 or the P35 line...or maybe it's both??

 

As Wendy NC mentioned earlier there were two types of sections used on the P35, the early metal threaded/chrome collared version won't interchange with the all plastic section used on the later P35, but the later all plastic section is the same as the P15/P45 flighter II section in the OP and I think the same section was used on the Jotter although I don't have a full pen to confirm this just some spare sections in the parts box

 

These are the pens that are still puzzling me - anyone got any idea??

 

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/ceejaybee_photo/CDVw8hmkKGrHqZlYEz25gwYBNOMZo0p0_3.jpg

 

http://i865.photobucket.com/albums/ab212/ceejaybee_photo/BrSp-wBWkKGrHqQOKkYEuBR54KwBL1k6TEg_12.jpg

[Eccles]

Thanks for all the input folks, yesterday I took delivery of a late (1986) Parker 35 with an all plastic section, so I've been able to swap and change parts to see just what is compatible between the P15, P45 flighter II and the P35.

I get the impression, probably incorrectly, that the P45 II may have been produced only as a Flighter? I'm assuming the stainless cap/smooth plastic barrelled version was a P15? but I'm not sure what the point of that was? why not just call it a 'P15 Flighter'??

I've also seen identical pens but with a striated plastic barrel and am undecided whether these fall into the P15 or the P35 line...or maybe it's both??

As Wendy NC mentioned earlier there were two types of sections used on the P35, the early metal threaded/chrome collared version won't interchange with the all plastic section used on the later P35, but the later all plastic section is the same as the P15/P45 flighter II section in the OP and I think the same section was used on the Jotter although I don't have a full pen to confirm this just some spare sections in the parts box

These are the pens that are still puzzling me - anyone got any idea??

 

I have a black pen like your top 'taupe?' one, and the bottom one looks very like the Mixy shown on http://www.parkerpens.net/parker15.html

My black pen and a similar flighter were puzzling the heck out of me just last night, because of the P35/P15 resemblancesbut P45 style cap. Based on current thread discussions, https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/241760-my-new-flighter/ , it seems likely that your top one and both my puzzling ones are P45 IIs. My flighter has the P35 style metal flared section trim, the black has the plain, shaped plastic P15 section.

It's really hard to find any info on these on the usual reference sites for Parkers.

Glenn.