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Beautiful photo of a great fountain pen with a superb nib. The nib looks to be set a bit high relative to the barrel end. Is it set well against the feed? From the factory, both older and current models usually have the very top of the149 engraving just visible below the collar ring inset in the barrel, or sometimes cut in half by the collar ring. When I re-set 149 nibs, that's the measure I aim for. If it the nib and feed are set well together and your pen writes well, the position of the nib is not an issue.

 

It's a beauty! Congratulations. I agree with Georges Z that you got a real deal. Enjoy.

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Thank you

 

Beautiful photo of a great fountain pen with a superb nib. The nib looks to be set a bit high relative to the barrel end. Is it set well against the feed? From the factory, both older and current models usually have the very top of the149 engraving just visible below the collar ring inset in the barrel, or sometimes cut in half by the collar ring. When I re-set 149 nibs, that's the measure I aim for. If it the nib and feed are set well together and your pen writes well, the position of the nib is not an issue.

 

It's a beauty! Congratulations. I agree with Georges Z that you got a real deal. Enjoy.

Thank you for the suggestion... I bought it from an anticuarian and they might very well have cleaned/serviced it themselves without putting back the nib properly. After your comments I will take it to the MB Authorized Retailer for checkup. It writes well, but I find it finicky towards the ink used.

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Beautiful photo of a great fountain pen with a superb nib. The nib looks to be set a bit high relative to the barrel end. Is it set well against the feed? From the factory, both older and current models usually have the very top of the149 engraving just visible below the collar ring inset in the barrel, or sometimes cut in half by the collar ring. When I re-set 149 nibs, that's the measure I aim for. If it the nib and feed are set well together and your pen writes well, the position of the nib is not an issue.

 

It's a beauty! Congratulations. I agree with Georges Z that you got a real deal. Enjoy.

 

Dear Barry,

 

Thank you very much for your tip. I went to the MB boutique and they saw the same as you pointed out. They resettled the nib and feed in front of me and now it is precisely as you specified. Interestingly, the pen has gone from a torrent-like broad to a good fine, which I prefer, and I find it a lot more precise and reliable.

 

C

“Of the gladdest moments in human life, methinks, is the departure upon a distant journey into unknown lands. Shaking off with one mighty effort the fetters of Habit, the leaden weight of Routine, the cloak of many Cares and the slavery of Civilization, man feels once more happy.” - Sir Richard. F. Burton

 

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Hi,

 

I've found a 149 with a 18 c bitone nib very flexible, solid round ebonite feed, plastic threds, only germay on the clip ring...could you help me to date it?

I have never heard of 18c bitone nibs...for the french market?

...more kills the pen than the sword ... as long as the nib is very sharp ....

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Hi,

 

I've found a 149 with a 18 c bitone nib very flexible, solid round ebonite feed, plastic threds, only germay on the clip ring...could you help me to date it?

I have never heard of 18c bitone nibs...for the french market?

 

Could you possibly post a pic of the nib?

Zenbat buru hainbat aburu

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Hi Guys,

 

First all can I just say what an incredible thread this is and so useful! I've spent the past few hours reading and researching this and it's been amazing.

 

Received my first MB 149 today, a used one from an auction site that was advertised as one from the 1980s. Compared to others I had been watching I think I got a good deal, no box or service book though.

 

After all the information I have digested from here these are my findings upon close inspection of my pen. It seems to be a Frankenstein of a pen!

 

Nib - is Tri-colour 18C. If you look at the photos you can see that there's some 'bleeding' (not sure if that's correct) of the gold on to the platinum, and there also seems to be a chip on the side of the nib which has taken away a bit of the gold. An 18C tri-colour nib could from the 60s?

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0049.jpg

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0041.jpg

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0044.jpg

 

 

Feed - It seems to be a first generation plastic feeder. Late 90s?

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0045.jpg

 

Barrel - two section barrel. 1983 onwards?

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0040.jpg

 

 

Filler threads - brass with a crisp piston ring. 1985 onwards?

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0046.jpg

 

Clip button - not welded

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0038.jpg

 

Clip ring - reads 'Germany' but notice the 'G' and 'Y' they don't seem to be perfect. No serial number and I'm guessing this pre-dates the 'W.Germany' versions. So around early 1980s?

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0035.jpg

 

Snowflake - Not sure what size this is in comparison to other 149s. It does have a feint mark in the middle due to maybe wear.

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0037.jpg

 

Cap - from what i've read in this thread it seems to be the older cap, with the diagonal lines in the engraved font. There are also dashes instead of dots separating 'Meisterstuck No 149' and 'Montblanc'.

 

http://i838.photobucket.com/albums/zz309/imranvadia/IMG_0038a.jpg

 

All in all this seems to be a mish mash of a pen but I love it from the minute I opened it. It feels chunky and weighty and writes beautifully. I think the previous owner tried cleaning it out and there still seems to be some diluted black ink in the pen so I might attempt a proper clean later.

 

Would love to hear your thoughts and what you think is the nib size, it seems like a medium to me :)

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Beautiful pen and pics, you are right to be proud of it. The nib seems to be older than the feed, the metallic filler threads and other parts of the pen. 18c tri-tone nibs were certainly produced through the 1960s and at least until 1975.

 

Regards

Zenbat buru hainbat aburu

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I have only just bought a 149 new from my local 'boutique'. My thanks to you all for this thread and the chart and info supplied. A very informative read full of great advice and stuff. Nice one! :D

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This is an old post but i have a question. I recently purchased a fine nib MB 149 from the following thread:

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/classifieds/item/24120-the-three-kings/

 

I havent received it yet, but based on what im seeing it dates all the way back to the late 80's?

It seems strange that something would be around uninked for so long

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Version 2.0

 

Reformatted and image of ski slope feed added.

 

http://i573.photobucket.com/albums/ss171/DKbRS/Pens/mbgridnewres.jpg

WOW! Many thanks to all who contributed to create this excellent chart! My original Montblanc fountain pen was stolen years ago. Finally, I found a replacement, although a different model (149). I now know, thanks to this chart, that the "new" pen is dated between 1985-1991. I knew it was used/vintage when I purchased it. I'm glad to know more about the pen now. This 149 is larger than my original pen, but writes just as beautifully!

 

Thanks again for the awesome chart! Great work!

Montblanc Meisterstück 149 1985-1990

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Hi Guys,

 

First all can I just say what an incredible thread this is and so useful! I've spent the past few hours reading and researching this and it's been amazing.

 

Received my first MB 149 today, a used one from an auction site that was advertised as one from the 1980s. Compared to others I had been watching I think I got a good deal, no box or service book though.

 

After all the information I have digested from here these are my findings upon close inspection of my pen. It seems to be a Frankenstein of a pen!

 

Nib - is Tri-colour 18C. If you look at the photos you can see that there's some 'bleeding' (not sure if that's correct) of the gold on to the platinum, and there also seems to be a chip on the side of the nib which has taken away a bit of the gold. An 18C tri-colour nib could from the 60s?

 

Feed - It seems to be a first generation plastic feeder. Late 90s?

Barrel - two section barrel. 1983 onwards?

 

Filler threads - brass with a crisp piston ring. 1985 onwards?

 

Clip button - not welded

 

Clip ring - reads 'Germany' but notice the 'G' and 'Y' they don't seem to be perfect. No serial number and I'm guessing this pre-dates the 'W.Germany' versions. So around early 1980s?

 

Snowflake - Not sure what size this is in comparison to other 149s. It does have a feint mark in the middle due to maybe wear.

 

Cap - from what i've read in this thread it seems to be the older cap, with the diagonal lines in the engraved font. There are also dashes instead of dots separating 'Meisterstuck No 149' and 'Montblanc'.

 

All in all this seems to be a mish mash of a pen but I love it from the minute I opened it. It feels chunky and weighty and writes beautifully. I think the previous owner tried cleaning it out and there still seems to be some diluted black ink in the pen so I might attempt a proper clean later.

 

Would love to hear your thoughts and what you think is the nib size, it seems like a medium to me :)

 

MB usually replace the barrel and feed when they service a pen. So it's seem likely your pen was serviced in the early 1990's, the barrel and feed replaced, and the older cap and nib retained.

 

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I just acquired an MB 149 with:

  • 14K nib
  • splite ebonite feed
  • plastic piston threads
  • 2 piece barrel
  • clip stamped "Germany"
  • no serial number
  • umlaut has one dot inside the U

So based on the latest version of the chart, this would be a transitional pen made in or around 1985. However, pens combining the 14K nib and plastic threads seem more common than I'd expect for a transitional model - with 5 or 6 examples showing up in this thread. Thus I suspect they were produced for at least a few years, suggesting that either:

  • the 14K nib was introduced before 1985
  • the brass piston threads were introduced after 1985

I suspect the latter, since the piston thread dating seems to be base on a single comment that the transition occured in the mid 80's and earlier versions of the chart placed the transition in 1990.

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i absolutely love this illustration can it be the same for the 146??? i hope

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-Squadron Leader K. G. Holland, RAF. WWII China.

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I bought a Montblanc 149 from an antique shop, it has a tri tone 18k Fine nib with brass threads, so I guess it is from the 2000's. It was a great find, I assume they didn't know what they had in their hands (antique shop) since they sold it to me for $165. I live in Panama and went to the Montblanc shop so they could service the pen, it had small scratches on the resin body which they polished. They told me it was an original MB 149. New in the store costs $1,200, so I guess I saved $1,035.00 :D

Vintage: 1910´s Astra Safety Pen. 1920´s Mabie Todd Swan lever filler, Royal Red Hard Rubber, The Eric Pen Woodgrain Ebonite. 1930´s Morrison´s Overlay Filigree, Waterman´s Ideal Thorobred, Conklin Endura. 1940´s Eversharp Skyline, Parker Vacumatic, Aurora 88. 1950´s Conway Stewart 15, Esterbrook J. 1970´s Sheaffer Imperial. 1980´s Cross Century Classic. 1990´s Rotring Newton Lava.

 

Modern: Nakaya Neo Standard, Montblanc Meisterstuck 149, Pelikan Souverän M1000, Omas 360 Vintage, Sailor 1911 Black Luster, Pilot Capless Raden, Pilot Custom 823 FA, Platinum 3776 Maki-e, Namiki Falcon, Lamy 2000, Montegrappa Espressione Duetto, Delta Dolce Vita, Visconti Homo Sapiens Bronze, Stipula Etruria Rainbow, Marlen Aleph, Bexley Poseidon, Franklin-Christoph 02, Namisu Nexus Titanium, Tactile Turn Gist, Karas Kustoms Ink, Twsbi Vac 700, Levenger L-Tech, Filcao Atlantica, Kaweco AC Sport, Lamy Safari.

 

Custom: Scriptorium Pens Idyll, Jonathon Brooks Solar Dust, Newton Pens Eastman, Fisher of Pens Hydra, Romulus Pen Works Snakewood, John Brady Solano, Lyle Ross Pompey, Troy Clark Copper pen, Antiguas Estilográficas Ebonite, Ryan Krusac Legend L14, Aileron pens Tsunami, Edison Pens Collier Amber, Sutra Pens Aquila Octopi, Hooligan Pens Buffalo Celluloid, Yoshi Nakama Snake pen, Kilk Kalem Pandora´s Box, Hakumin Urushi Ao Tamenuri Pearl, Fosfor Pens Islander, Sutra Pen Aquila.

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Realistically, you saved about $235. A nice used MB 149 could be had for $400-$500. An excellent price nonetheless.

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thanks for this very interesting thread. Is there one similar for 146?

A people can be great withouth a great pen but a people who love great pens is surely a great people too...

Pens owned actually: MB 146 EF;Pelikan M200 SE Clear Demonstrator 2012 B;Parker 17 EF;Parker 51 EF;Waterman Expert II M,Waterman Hemisphere M;Waterman Carene F and Stub;Pilot Justus 95 F.

 

Nearly owned: MB 149 B(Circa 2002);Conway Stewart Belliver LE bracket Brown IB.

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well that's true johnkim...however finding a 149 at $400 is already a good price, and also depends on the condition of the pen. The one that I bought was in really nice condition, only small scratches on the body which I already buffed out. The only thing is that I don't have the box or papers.

Vintage: 1910´s Astra Safety Pen. 1920´s Mabie Todd Swan lever filler, Royal Red Hard Rubber, The Eric Pen Woodgrain Ebonite. 1930´s Morrison´s Overlay Filigree, Waterman´s Ideal Thorobred, Conklin Endura. 1940´s Eversharp Skyline, Parker Vacumatic, Aurora 88. 1950´s Conway Stewart 15, Esterbrook J. 1970´s Sheaffer Imperial. 1980´s Cross Century Classic. 1990´s Rotring Newton Lava.

 

Modern: Nakaya Neo Standard, Montblanc Meisterstuck 149, Pelikan Souverän M1000, Omas 360 Vintage, Sailor 1911 Black Luster, Pilot Capless Raden, Pilot Custom 823 FA, Platinum 3776 Maki-e, Namiki Falcon, Lamy 2000, Montegrappa Espressione Duetto, Delta Dolce Vita, Visconti Homo Sapiens Bronze, Stipula Etruria Rainbow, Marlen Aleph, Bexley Poseidon, Franklin-Christoph 02, Namisu Nexus Titanium, Tactile Turn Gist, Karas Kustoms Ink, Twsbi Vac 700, Levenger L-Tech, Filcao Atlantica, Kaweco AC Sport, Lamy Safari.

 

Custom: Scriptorium Pens Idyll, Jonathon Brooks Solar Dust, Newton Pens Eastman, Fisher of Pens Hydra, Romulus Pen Works Snakewood, John Brady Solano, Lyle Ross Pompey, Troy Clark Copper pen, Antiguas Estilográficas Ebonite, Ryan Krusac Legend L14, Aileron pens Tsunami, Edison Pens Collier Amber, Sutra Pens Aquila Octopi, Hooligan Pens Buffalo Celluloid, Yoshi Nakama Snake pen, Kilk Kalem Pandora´s Box, Hakumin Urushi Ao Tamenuri Pearl, Fosfor Pens Islander, Sutra Pen Aquila.

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