14K VS 14C

[Diamondback]

Since this pen has the 146G designation, I would expect that it would have a nib with cross-hatching in the circle that surrounds the MB star. Similar to this one: http://www.fountainpen.de/old-144-gray-striated.htm

 

Niksch,

 

This may not always apply. Here is my early 1950s 146G with a non cross-hatched circled M nib and a flat feed (photos by Maxpens).

 

Mark

 

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk48/evansm92/Fountain%20Pens/Montblancs/MB146Green6.jpg

 

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk48/evansm92/Fountain%20Pens/Montblancs/MB146Green3.jpg

 

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk48/evansm92/Fountain%20Pens/Montblancs/MB146Green5.jpg

[talkinghead]

Since this pen has the 146G designation, I would expect that it would have a nib with cross-hatching in the circle that surrounds the MB star. Similar to this one: http://www.fountainpen.de/old-144-gray-striated.htm

 

Niksch,

 

This may not always apply. Here is my early 1950s 146G with a non cross-hatched circled M nib and a flat feed (photos by Maxpens).

 

Mark

 

 

 

Jeez......ok where does that leave us!!

 

 

Lets start over!! :blink:

 

Rick

[jar]

Since this pen has the 146G designation, I would expect that it would have a nib with cross-hatching in the circle that surrounds the MB star. Similar to this one: http://www.fountainp...ay-striated.htm

 

Niksch,

 

This may not always apply. Here is my early 1950s 146G with a non cross-hatched circled M nib and a flat feed (photos by Maxpens).

 

Mark

 

 

 

Jeez......ok where does that leave us!!

 

 

Lets start over!! :blink:

 

Rick

 

Too bad Montblanc could not take a lesson from Sheaffer and be consistent in naming conventions and things like nibs and clips.

[Diamondback]

Too bad Montblanc could not take a lesson from Sheaffer and be consistent in naming conventions and things like nibs and clips.

Jar,

 

I am not sure MB envisaged that their pens would be subjected to such scrutiny and analysis by pen "nuts" like us 60 years later. After all, in those days these pens were just utilitarian writing instruments, albeit well made high end ones.

 

Mark

[niksch]

This may not always apply. Here is my early 1950s 146G with a non cross-hatched circled M nib and a flat feed (photos by Maxpens).

 

I've waited for someone to call me on my statement as it was not clear, and I wondered if Mark would be the on to do it!

 

I said that I "would expect" a cross-hatched circle on a 146G, not that it would be the case in every single example. It sounds like quibbling, but nothing is 100%. I would still argue that "most of the time" one should expect to see a cross-hatched circle on a nib on a 146G.

[Diamondback]

This may not always apply. Here is my early 1950s 146G with a non cross-hatched circled M nib and a flat feed (photos by Maxpens).

 

I've waited for someone to call me on my statement as it was not clear, and I wondered if Mark would be the on to do it!

 

I said that I "would expect" a cross-hatched circle on a 146G, not that it would be the case in every single example. It sounds like quibbling, but nothing is 100%. I would still argue that "most of the time" one should expect to see a cross-hatched circle on a nib on a 146G.

Niksch,

 

Couldn't agree more as I have other early 1950s MB 146Gs that conform to the above statement.

 

Mark

[jar]

Too bad Montblanc could not take a lesson from Sheaffer and be consistent in naming conventions and things like nibs and clips.

Jar,

 

I am not sure MB envisaged that their pens would be subjected to such scrutiny and analysis by pen "nuts" like us 60 years later. After all, in those days these pens were just utilitarian writing instruments, albeit well made high end ones.

 

Mark

 

Wait until you try sorting out Sheaffer nomenclature. MB is a piece of cake.

[shrinknib]

The 14ct nibs are generally more flexier than their 14kt counterparts

Sorry, but I can't confirm this. The imprint "c" or "k" has nothing to do with the flexibility of a nib which is produced within the same periode. I would have said the same as Max.

 

 

I feel I have to post the pen just to see your thoughts- a green striated 146 thought to be 1950 HERE

 

It is a stunning pen but I was unsure about the nib, which is exactly why I started this topic.

All of my green straited Montblancs I have (11 right now) have the "14 c" imprint. I'm not sure that these pens have been delivered with "14 k" nibs.

But away from the nib I wouldn't say it's a "stunning pen". As I can see from the pictures the pen is quite discolored to brown which makes me doubt about the price. :hmm1: I have paid far less than the asking price for my non discolored pens. But OK, it was a few years ago.

 

Axel

 

Wow Axel- you have eleven of these lovely pens. What a collection indeed.

i appreciate your input on this topic greatly as you obviously have great experience.

 

By the way please let me know if you have one with B or BB nib that you find you don't need.....

:unsure:

[shrinknib]

 

 

Oooooohhh.... I misread the part where you said it was the 146Gs that had hatching in the circle (and I didn't realize that talkinghead's 1950s 146 with hatched circle was a G). Yes, mine is a regular ol' 146, billed as ~1955. Thanks for the clarification! I learned something today!

 

me too!

Someone should do an article on the design history of the 146/146G and either publish it or pin it for the montblanc forum- it is only fair for novices like me.

I vote for Axel!

:thumbup:

[OiRogers]

 

 

Oooooohhh.... I misread the part where you said it was the 146Gs that had hatching in the circle (and I didn't realize that talkinghead's 1950s 146 with hatched circle was a G). Yes, mine is a regular ol' 146, billed as ~1955. Thanks for the clarification! I learned something today!

 

me too!

Someone should do an article on the design history of the 146/146G and either publish it or pin it for the montblanc forum- it is only fair for novices like me.

I vote for Axel!

:thumbup:

 

I would also love to see a history of the 146 series similar to the wonderful pinned article by Barry concerning the 149. I find myself reading and rereading that article constantly... as I love the 146 and 149 series, I would be in debted to whomever could compile and share a complete history of the 146.

I learned more about the vintage 146 in this thread than I've picked up anywhere else. My thanks to all for their valuable input.

[hari317]

I agree, it will be invaluable if some one wrote a definitive article on the 146 similar to Barry's definitive 149 article.

[mr goldfink]

My feeling is that the nib fitted to the green (badly browned/brassed) 146, that has been lingering on ebay for months, is from the 1980s with a platinum mask added by someone in a rough fashion to make it look like a 1950s nib.

[niksch]

Finally, someone who agrees with me. See post #29.

 

My feeling is that the nib fitted to the green (badly browned/brassed) 146, that has been lingering on ebay for months, is from the 1980s with a platinum mask added by someone in a rough fashion to make it look like a 1950s nib.

[Barry Gabay]

My vote goes to Eric Niksch to author the 146 story.

[niksch]

My vote goes to Eric Niksch to author the 146 story.

 

 

I've got to get past this dadburned flu & head cold first. Can't shake it, and going on three weeks.

[OiRogers]

Finally, someone who agrees with me. See post #29.

 

My feeling is that the nib fitted to the green (badly browned/brassed) 146, that has been lingering on ebay for months, is from the 1980s with a platinum mask added by someone in a rough fashion to make it look like a 1950s nib.

 

I'm no expert by any stretch, but the nib just doesn't *feel* right too me... the placement of the vent hole in relation to the nibs imprint just doesn't look like the spacing I would expect from an older / flexi type nib. As such I would wager it isn't the factory nib, but a later replacement.

[varmas]

Looking at the green striated pen, isn't the tip of the platinum masking supposed to be a sharp point for 50s nibs? From the few examples of celluloid 146s I have seen up close that always seems to be the case.

 

Also I have a 50s 146 (not 146G) OBBL Masterpiece that is 14C monocolour without crosshatching in the circle. Under a 20x loupe there seems to be no plating wear. The nib tip matches the the OBBL marking on the end cap and the inner nib portion (if it was platinum plated) is sharp not rounded like the modern nibs.

 

 

Stay well,

Solomon

[niksch]

isn't the tip of the platinum masking supposed to be a sharp point for 50s nibs?

 

Yes, and that is why I made the statement I did in post #29.

[leonard6july]

 

Although not necessarily intentional.

 

 

Agreed, it may be not be intentional.

 

I'm quite happy with the nib as it has some flex to it, so I'll put it down to learning from

experience. Next time I buy a 149, I'll be careful about checking the hardware (feeder, nib, clip band) with the vintage. Thanks guys!

[shrinknib]

isn't the tip of the platinum masking supposed to be a sharp point for 50s nibs?

 

Yes, and that is why I made the statement I did in post #29.

 

I have learnt a lot about these pens and the evolution of design.

 

Axel- take some medicine for goodness sake and PLEASE write a wonderful article like Barry's for all of us.

 

Or else you should give me one of your green striated 146's !!

:embarrassed_smile: :embarrassed_smile: