Such a deal

[diplomat]

it definitely feel better to carry a real lamy than a fake pelikan.

 

Well, in some case it's better to carry a real Lamy than a real Pelikan!

 

Thanks jar for linking this: it's the first time I see fake Pelikans. The beach were I go in summer has a big MB fake business and I heard about Parkers, but I thought Pelikans were not in target for this type of illegality.

[jar]

it definitely feel better to carry a real lamy than a fake pelikan.

 

Well, in some case it's better to carry a real Lamy than a real Pelikan!

 

Thanks jar for linking this: it's the first time I see fake Pelikans. The beach were I go in summer has a big MB fake business and I heard about Parkers, but I thought Pelikans were not in target for this type of illegality.

 

 

Unfortunately, if there is a market they will fake it.

 

ST Dupont, Montblanc, Parker, Pelikan, Dunhill, Cartier, Tiffany and just about any top tier pen manufacturer today is plagued by the replica market. The problem is not so much the primary market, there they are being sold as replicas. The issue is the secondary market from people that buy knowing they are fakes but then reselling as authentic, or the unfortunate people that either bought them not knowing they were replicas or were given them as gifts and are now trying to sell one.

 

As fountain pen lovers I think we need to be aware of what is being done and help keep the community posted about what is being done in the replica market and how to identify fakes from authentic pens; a job that is becoming increasingly difficult.

[printhardcopy]

Best is to buy from authorised dealer. To find out whether they are authorised dealer , just e-mail to the respective company.

 

As for the black pelikan box, it is real one and as for the pen cant really see clearly.

[MYU]

Amazing... I didn't think Pelikan would fall prey to the imitators. But I can see it now, given the design which is probably not that complicated to imitate (although mimicking quality is an entirely different matter).

 

What I'm curious to know is if the maker made the nib threads the same as Pelikan, so that you could put a real Pelikan nib in one of these. I'm hoping not... for Pelikan's sake!

[jar]

Amazing... I didn't think Pelikan would fall prey to the imitators. But I can see it now, given the design which is probably not that complicated to imitate (although mimicking quality is an entirely different matter).

 

What I'm curious to know is if the maker made the nib threads the same as Pelikan, so that you could put a real Pelikan nib in one of these. I'm hoping not... for Pelikan's sake!

 

 

With computer aided machining it is easiest to duplicate all the parts, particularly stuff like thread pitch and design. I can say that on the ones I personally saw (and that was a couple years ago) visually it WAS a Pelikan. The engraving on the nib looked right, the Pel looked right, the chicks looked right, the banding looked right, the packaging looked right, the ink bottle looked right.

 

The one thing was that it was a cartridge/converter.

 

BUT ...

 

it's as easy to make piston filled pen as a piston filled converter.

 

It is only a matter of time before the replica folk have true piston filled Pelikans and Montblancs and we need to keep our eyes open.

[RevAaron]

Jar- if you ever come across one of these again for a low price ($35 or under), please let me know. I'd be interested in purchasing it. A side hobby of mine is collecting and comparing fakes/replicas/counterfeits. Around a year ago, I actually tried to order the pen you linked to above from that very site- but I was sent a fake Cartier. Nice, if that's your thing, but it really isn't mine.

 

I've done some asking around with the counterfeit contacts I have in China, and I wasn't able to track down that pen or anything similar- which led me to believe that the above site wasn't actually selling a counterfeit Pelikan gift set, that one didn't actually exist- but that they stole the photo of an actual pen and stuck it in the description out of deception or sloth.

 

Eventually, I'd like to produce a nice page/book showing the progress the of counterfeit Montblancs- but I've simply not had the time. I see them being sold relatively infrequently on eBay and the like, and many of the litmus tests people cling to are totally invalid. They've come a long way in the last few years- I even use a counterfeit 100 Year Anniversary pen with some regularity, simply because it's a nice pen. Shocking, I know!

 

Regards,

Aaron

[Edgar Allan Bo]

it's as easy to make piston filled pen as a piston filled converter.

 

It is only a matter of time before the replica folk have true piston filled Pelikans and Montblancs and we need to keep our eyes open.

 

In that case they could start their own fountain pen brand... if they really make an effort to develop a piston filling system on their own and everything... they just need to develope their own design!

 

Or, even if they sell it as a fake Montblanc - finally a MB that won't break in pieces just because you looked at it too long!

 

ok-ok... no more MB jokes... ... *runs away*

Edited January 14, 2010 by Edgar Allan Bo

[buffalowings]

it's as easy to make piston filled pen as a piston filled converter.It is only a matter of time before the replica folk have true piston filled Pelikans and Montblancs and we need to keep our eyes open.

In that case they could start their own fountain pen brand... if they really make an effort to develop a piston filling system on their own and everything... they just need to develope their own design! Or, even if they sell it as a fake Montblanc - finally a MB that won't break in pieces just because you looked at it too long! ok-ok... no more MB jokes... ... *runs away*

 

careful, or the moderators will come after you!

[Bill D]

it's as easy to make piston filled pen as a piston filled converter.It is only a matter of time before the replica folk have true piston filled Pelikans and Montblancs and we need to keep our eyes open.

In that case they could start their own fountain pen brand... if they really make an effort to develop a piston filling system on their own and everything... they just need to develope their own design! Or, even if they sell it as a fake Montblanc - finally a MB that won't break in pieces just because you looked at it too long! ok-ok... no more MB jokes... ... *runs away*

 

careful, or the moderators will come after you!

 

[Silvermink]

Now I wonder if the ink is replica Pelikan too. :hmm1:

[buffalowings]

I recently had a chat with Mike from mikeitwork about fake pens, this was what he gave me regarding pelikan pens, "I handle Pelikan's feed everyday and that texture and shape, color and detail is something is in your sense if you work with the feed professionally everyday. Body shape, logo and imprint can be faked. Inside mechanism details are the difficult one to copy."

[Niskayuna55]

Good information!

[Bo Bo Olson]

Thank you, the world has come a long way from the simple days of the Bolex.

 

So I will never again bid on a watch on that list on Ebay, unless it is a pocket watch, and perhaps not that either.

 

I so enjoyed looking at Omega Constellations. No longer....

 

I know customs looks for fakes, and undeclared goods*...which is stupid...but even there there is a limit....???E-235? Coming from the states to Germany, on the week end shoppers tour.

 

They just don't arrest enough folks....they don't seem to be able to get a hand on it...

 

Replica is forged goods, trade mark violation. They will be confiscated, if found. Then there is some legal problems to have too....I'd not paid much attention, in I don't buy fake.

 

Replica...IMO, is stuff no longer made...Pelikan 100's, or 140's is "replica". An 15 stone Elgin is "replica", if in a Art Deco case.

A 149, or a 605 or a Bolex or a fake Omega Constellation is counterfeit....They still make a real "quartz" Omega Constellation I believe.

 

On a happier note.....

 

Always declare your extra booze.. smokes too..the tax is on the alcohol, content, NOT if it was an expensive or cheap bottle of hootch, and when you have grand bottles of Bourbon, or scotch...the tax on Alcohol is not high...a couple of bucks a gallon. Expensive or cheap the alcohol tax is the same.

Why smuggle cheap booze?

 

The last time I hit German customs from the States, I had a 1/4 a bottle too much...three .75 bottles $50-75 bottles of bourbon. You can have two quart or liter bottles. (I'd not measured and thought I had a bottle too much.)

 

Happily I told them how good they were. Smiled and had not a worry in the world, I still had a couple of "bucks" left over....and for 1/4 a quart/liter they just waved me through, the paper work was not worth the money.

[devaldez]

So, another reason to encourage local production is that many "replicas" actually aren't replicas at all. I've worked in Asia for many years and I learned that what happens often is that a manufacturer in PRC will get an order for 20,000 of an item. They will get materials, etc. (if necessary) to support that much, but then they'll order half-again more. After the initial order for 20,000 units is complete, they'll run an additional 10,000 for the domestic Chinese market. The items are sold for a pittance, according to the market. Technically, these are "fakes" inasmuch as they are not authorized nor sold through authorized outlets. HOWEVER, they are NOT fake inasmuch as they are manufactured according to the authentic order, but are fake inasmuch as they are not authorized by the original mark bearer. There are many examples where this type of behavior has been taken to an extreme of low-quality, but many such "fakes" aren't low-quality.

 

Watches, computers, and other complex items are progressively harder to fake and are rarely manufactured by quality manufacturers in China. Pens are not complex, generally. If Montblanc is dumb enough to ever move manufacturing over, be ready for impossible to spot "fakes."

 

This is why I don't particularly like to buy things manufactured in China. It's not that the quality is per se worse, it's that they have a different set of ethics as it relates to manufacturing trademarked goods. Please note that I am not passing judgment on the culture, but recognizing the realities of the current methods.

[Gretchen]

This reminds me of a nice study described in Scientific American Mind (sorry I don't have details with me). Participents were asked to wear fake, or designer sunglasses while they took various tests and were given a chance to cheat on the tests. In reality, everyone was wearing real, not fake, sunglasses. However, those who were told they were wearing fakes were much, much more likely to cheat! I think a few other similar studies were briefly mentioned.

 

And yes, the joy of a pen is how it feels, functions, and looks. Looks alone aren't worth much! Some of my favorite pens to write with are quirky frankenpens with glorious nibs and great celluloids. Hmm, I do have a great, odd, early semi fake attempt at an oversize Parker burgundy Duofold. Best guess is that the celluloid is the same stock, but the nib seems much more like a Conway Stewart stub, is smaller than an actual Parker would have been, and well, is obviously not a Parker! But it's a great pen, and gorgeous!

[atypical]

Take another look at the website in question: http://www.replica031.com/

 

It seems justice has been served.

[OcalaFlGuy]

Take another look at the website in question: http://www.replica031.com/

 

It seems justice has been served.

 

Perhaps for *some* value of the word "justice".

 

Something tells me that with an owners name of Bo Ling, I suspect the owner is physically

located off-shore. As such, the odds of Chanel actually SEEING any of the awarded judgment

is approximately the same as of me commanding one of the last remaining Space Shuttle flights.

 

Also, nothing so far as I can see would prevent Mister Ling from simply reestablishing a new

website based off-shore and going at it all over again. He can sell a lot of fakes before Chanel

finds him again and the paperwork to shut him down again meanders thru the legal system

 

Just my .02 anyway...

 

Bruce in Ocala, FL

[jar]

Take another look at the website in question: http://www.replica031.com/

 

It seems justice has been served.

 

It is one small victory, the domain itself was shut down, but ten bucks gets you a new domain name. I would have felt better if there was some method of actually addressing the issue.

[1000km]

Fake watches are easy to spot if you can see the movement and you have some basic watchmaking sense.

 

Pens are much easier to copy, being very simple in design.

 

 

Thank you, the world has come a long way from the simple days of the Bolex.

 

So I will never again bid on a watch on that list on Ebay, unless it is a pocket watch, and perhaps not that either.

 

I so enjoyed looking at Omega Constellations. No longer....

Edited November 15, 2010 by 1000km

[Bo Bo Olson]

I have a very nice 'replica' Dupont...a counterfeit; bought for $35 in a flea market with the hope of hopes it was real and I got a life time deal.

It's a very, very, well made counterfeit, if it was just a pen, it would be worth at least $100 new. Fine looking Box, instruction booklet, even Dupont advertisement booklet.

 

The nib is not quite perfect...it writes ok....but not well....it sits as a display pen on my Art Deco black glass Inkwell set. It's color contrasts well.

 

I did not have a magnet to see the gold nib was fake. The numbering is so clear....a top notch fake....and fake it is.

 

As Jars explained Dupont writes like a Dupont, mine writes Chinese.