Patrician vs. Lady Patrician

June 20, 2009

Hi Waterman folks,

Is there a difference between a Patrician and a Lady Patrician?

Does anyone have pictures or a website link that shows the differences? Richard's page has mention of both but only a picture of the Lady: http://www.richardspens.com/?page=ref/glossary/P.htm

I would post the reference in a quote for it but I'm not certain of web page copy etiquette.

Thanks,

Gary

June 20, 2009

The Patrician is a much larger conventional looking pen with no vistulated sector and bears little or no relation to the Lady Patrician apart from the choice of colours. Some Lady Patricia pens used an Ink Vue type filling system.

June 20, 2009

The Patrician is a much larger conventional looking pen with no vistulated sector and bears little or no relation to the Lady Patrician apart from the choice of colours. Some Lady Patricia pens used an Ink Vue type filling system.

What is a vistulated sector? I'm new to fountain pens and haven't got all the terminology down. Searching the web/fpn didn't clarify the terminology for me.

What is 'conventional' for a pen from the 1930's?

Thank you for responding, I hope my questions help other new folks.

Thanks,

Gary

June 20, 2009

Another rough guide would be that excellent Patricians are $1,000+ pens and excellent Patricias are $100+ pens.

June 20, 2009

The Patrician is a much larger conventional looking pen with no vistulated sector and bears little or no relation to the Lady Patrician apart from the choice of colours. Some Lady Patricia pens used an Ink Vue type filling system.
What is a vistulated sector? I'm new to fountain pens and haven't got all the terminology down. Searching the web/fpn didn't clarify the terminology for me.
What is 'conventional' for a pen from the 1930's?
Thank you for responding, I hope my questions help other new folks.
Thanks,
Gary

Hi Gary,

A visualated section is one where part of the material is transparent (or translucent) so the user can see how much ink is left in the pen. Most lever-fill pens have no way to show the ink level.

I don't understand your question about "conventional." Up until the 30's most self-filling pens were lever-fillers. The 1930's saw the start of several new filler systems like the Parker Vacumatic, the Waterman Ink-Vue and the Sheaffer Vac-Filler.

Here are a couple pics that will give you a feel for the difference between the Patrician and the Lady Patricia. Lady Patricias are about 13.5cm long posted; Patricians are almost 18cm long posted.

Most of the Lady Patricia colors:

http://www.gergyor.com/images/waterman_ladypatricias.jpg

Patrician set in Turquoise:

http://www.gergyor.com/images/waterman_patrician_set_1.jpg

One other area of common confusion between the two models is when a seller (innocently or not) refers to the Lady Patricia as a Lady Patrician.

Best regards, greg

June 20, 2009

Thank you Greg. Looks like I have added to the confusion with my thread title. I'll have to see if there exists a way to edit/change it.

Thank you for the amazing pictures. I had thought I had seen a couple styles of clips for the Lady Patricia, is there a reference on the types of clips?

I learning about the history of the Watermans.

I had seen reference to a '94' celluloid. Are they similar to the Patrician and Lady Patricia?

Thanks again,

Gary

June 21, 2009

Thank you Greg. Looks like I have added to the confusion with my thread title. I'll have to see if there exists a way to edit/change it.

Thank you for the amazing pictures. I had thought I had seen a couple styles of clips for the Lady Patricia, is there a reference on the types of clips?

I learning about the history of the Watermans.

I had seen reference to a '94' celluloid. Are they similar to the Patrician and Lady Patricia?

Thanks again,
Gary

As far as I know, there are just the two types of clips for the Lady Patricia- the 'stepped' version on the normal LP, and the 'grid' version on the Ink-Vue versions. I have never seen names for the finishes, just using those terms to make the distinction.

94's were made in the same era as the Patrician and LP, as was the 92. Some of the finishes were used for these pens. 92's were made in similar but different colors.

Regards, greg

June 21, 2009

Thank you Greg. Looks like I have added to the confusion with my thread title. I'll have to see if there exists a way to edit/change it.

Thank you for the amazing pictures. I had thought I had seen a couple styles of clips for the Lady Patricia, is there a reference on the types of clips?

I learning about the history of the Watermans.

I had seen reference to a '94' celluloid. Are they similar to the Patrician and Lady Patricia?

Thanks again,
Gary

As far as I know, there are just the two types of clips for the Lady Patricia- the 'stepped' version on the normal LP, and the 'grid' version on the Ink-Vue versions. I have never seen names for the finishes, just using those terms to make the distinction.

94's were made in the same era as the Patrician and LP, as was the 92. Some of the finishes were used for these pens. 92's were made in similar but different colors.

Regards, greg

Ah... I see. The pen picture I was trying to identify looks to be a 92V with a similar color (moss agate) as the Lady Patricia and a different clip. These pens have very similar looks but I think I am beginning to identify the differences with your assistance.

Thank you,

Gary